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Old 03-12-2003, 11:22 AM   #1
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Summit cam

Has anyone had any good/bad experiences with summit cams? I saw them in my catalog and they're only like $70 for the cam and lifters. My question is are the just inexpensive or are they cheap. I just want to know if they're a good deal or will I get what I''m paying for. Thanks.
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P.S.

I'm looking to get a mild cam. It will be going in an 84 305 (L69). This car will be my daily driver for the next year or so until I finish the 400 sitting in the garage. So it only needs to last a year, maybe 2 at the most. Thanks.
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i THOUGH (don't quote me, this is something i heard) that all summits valvetrain stuff was actualy crane, just sold as summit brand.
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i thought all summit's cam grinds were using technology a few years old and couldn't compete with todays new cam lobes...??

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ive got a summit cam, i ran great numbers on a dyno run, and the torque corve was very flat and long, if you want ill throw up some pictures of my dyno sheets, and my cam specs
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Well i called and asked them about it but the guy wouldn't comment... but he did say it's not as new as comp or crane cams that are out there right now
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I'd like to see those dyno sheets and the specs. Thanks.
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my car specs.
76cc chamber heads, port/polish with 1.94's
edelbrock performer intake
edelbrock 600cfm carb
summit brand cam @.5 224*/224* part number sum-k11004

auto tranny with stock convertor, 3.23 rear gears.
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These Summit cams are Generic/ Proven performers.
That often, will out perform and out live ( wear) some of the
"new technology" cams.

Just have to bolt them in a good motor.

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That looks like about what I'm looking for. I'm running pretty close to the same setup minus the cam. One more question, how does it idle? Thanks for all the help.
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That looks like about what I'm looking for. I'm running pretty close to the same setup minus the cam. One more question, how does it idle? Thanks for all the help.
That would be quite a big cam for a daily driver 305.

It would requre a high stall converter and high rear gear.

I would get one a few steps milder for your 305 daily driver.

Like 204/214 /.420/..442 112. Much more low and mid range torque and gas mileage with plenty of top end.

Summit has this grind.
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actually i have the stall convertor, 3.23 stock gears. and it has a smooth idle that is not noticable. i get 20 mpg on the highway when i dont open the secondaries. no problems with it really.
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These Summit cams are Generic/ Proven performers.
That often, will out perform and out live ( wear) some of the
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Just have to bolt them in a good motor.

Good value.
wow, never knew that. Any personal experience with them?
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wow, never knew that. Any personal experience with them?
With actual Summit cams, no. With the same grinds sold by other companies, yes.

Wolverine Blue Racer (Crane) www.cranecams.com

Accelerated Motion www.amotion.com

Good stuff. A-1 service. Ships to your door any where in North America. (postal COD)
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wow, never knew that. Any personal experience with them?
ya i got one in my 355, the engine i bought a while back had a summit brand cam that came with it, those are my dyno reccords from early this year.
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I've got the #1102 summit cam in my 350,works well,good torque smooth idle and good gas mileage on the hi-way(even with a holley carb)F.Y.I,this is pretty much the identical grind that edelbrock makes for it's performer package cams,but alot cheaper where theres' no edelbrock name on it anywhere.
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I have that exact cam in an 86 305 TPI and it runs very well , it has a slight lope to it and the power seems to come on anywhere. the rest of the engine is basicly stock with a custom chip ,160 deg stat ,ported plenum , and afpr set at 46.
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I'm running the Summit 214/224 .442/.465 112lsa cam in my 355 IROC. So far I'm happy with it, although I haven't gotten any 1/4 mile times since swapping to the 165 ECM & custom PROMs.
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ran a summint 204/214 cam in a daily driven 305 for a good long time.

Got better than stock gas mileage, ran a stock covnerter for a long time, and ran mid 14's on a 305.

was a good cam, i thought what they shoulda came from the factory with.
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I have the 305 .060 (cheapo Parts America motor) with the 214/224 cam in my Iroc with bigger heads, 2500 stall converter and it runs and idles great.
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i think i have the exact one Jim's got. not a bad price, and i have also heard they are rebadged (from crane or comp, i could be wrong). no probs with it, although i havent had it in very long.
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I have the 1103 in a 305 and it idles fine and hauls a$$. I can break the rear loose at a 30mph roll. Great value and I know from the people at Summit the cams are made by Crane.
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So why dont you people like a rough Idle anymore? Isnt hearing her lope half the fun?
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i'm goin for the sleeper approach, so a loppy sound would be a dead give away
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lOPE DOES NOTHING FOR PERFORMANCE; ITS USUALLY AN INDICATOR OF A CAM TOO BIG
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lOPE DOES NOTHING FOR PERFORMANCE; ITS USUALLY AN INDICATOR OF A CAM TOO BIG
I think its an indicator of a dope *** cam :lala:
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Where in the he|| did you get that from?
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Shoot, mine lopes almost 200 rpm the tach just sits there and bounces nice and slow. Lope is mostly duration. I've got low 12 sec time slips w/ a 750 vac. sec that isn't pulling the secoundary past 1/4 blade. Wait till I get her back together w/ the long tubes and the 650 mechanical...hehehe

DevilsAddvocate - I deffinitely agree. " Just an indicator of a dope *** cam..."

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Shagwell, whats the rest of your combo
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Shoot, mine lopes almost 200 rpm the tach just sits there and bounces nice and slow. Lope is mostly duration. I've got low 12 sec time slips w/ a 750 vac. sec that isn't pulling the secoundary past 1/4 blade. Wait till I get her back together w/ the long tubes and the 650 mechanical...hehehe

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I think its an indicator of a dope *** cam :lala:
which, if your motor isn't built to accomodate, means you have a "dope ***" sounding car that can't get out of its own way.

Any car that has that "dope ***" sound better have some wicked flowing heads and a 3500 rpm converter too. Otherwise that "dope ***" sounding car is just yet another muscle car that's about to get its *** handed to it by a bone stock 5.0 Mustang.
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sounds like the voice of experience......
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I agree

I got a 284 XE and I am wishing I got the damn 274. Brakes are good, and now I REALLY know they are good. Plus I got it from ebay and I am having pops through the intake on one cylinder. I think its because i am running the wrong spark plugs. I got the autolite 3924s and the thread on them is .25 inch longer than the ones trick flow recommends.

The guys at the shop are telling me that I have a shot cam lobe (didn't check it, but they are telling me that from the pops), but this cam has only 250 miles on it. Also, the cam hardly has a line in it from past use...doesn't even look broken in.

Well, I would go small to begin with. Streetability should not be taken for granted. I have had my car in the shop since october. And I need to sell it in a month so I can get a car that can handle in the snow (military, moving to Ft Drum NY...that means lots of snow).

Well, now that I'm off subject...if the cam powerband/duration doesn't match your tranny/rear gears, then you will have a mean sounding ****box. I will need 4.10s to get the response I want. the 3.73s aren't working.
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Hey 86 Iroc. Did you do a compression test on the cylinder? Maybe a leaky head gasket or bad ignition cable or even an exhaust leak at that cylinder. Popping through intake could be timing issues too.

Well I have a cam that doesnt lope in a 305 and my setup is setup just right. even with a 305 on a roll I can light up the new posi rear I have 3.42 gears at 30 mph. I would take a well matched setup over a BIG lopey cam any day. Dont get me wrong nothing against lope. I see it all the time here. The lope sounds good especially when they cant catch up to me with my dinky 305 cause they have miss match setup.
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I agree that a car can easily be over cammed. And yes, that is usually the case w/ a lopey sounding cam. but not always...

- sleepybu - 355sbc, 9.8:1 compression, GM 993 heads with massive mods, solid 226/236 @.050, 496/521 lift w/ 1.6 roller rockers, Wieand single-plane, Holley 650 mech., wheeler rods, all ARP bolts, windage tray, hardened one piece pushrods, flowtech headers, custom y-pipe, 3" to Flowmaster 80, 2500 stall(flashes over 3000 w/ breakhold), all the goodies.
I've currently got the motor out switching to longtubes and true duals.

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