Orr89RocZ

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silcone intakes.com. you can buy those couplers in black and make your own kit

BlackenedBird

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It just came in today & looks pretty good. Just a few blemishes in the pipe from clamping I guess from being made or cut, but nothing to cry about. Not for only $38 shipped! I'm sure some fine sanding & re-polishing could eliminate the blemishes in the piping.

I hafta drill a hole in one & get a nut TIG welded on before installing the CAI, for my relocated IAT.

BlackenedBird

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UPDATE!

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tp...ml#post5053066 (Anyone use this cold air intake?)

I seriously would NOT recommend buying this for a v-belt 3rd gen. There is less that 1/4" clearance between the MAF & the alternator pulley. So it is more of a "It will not fit v-belt 3rd gens.", than year model specific. Convert your older v-belt system over to serpentine belt & I bet you'd have more room.

This is the actual one that I used since the pic showed that the filter would sit lower therefore easier to block off & create a real Cold air intake.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...8551&viewitem=


But since the MAF is where the interfernce problem is, the problem would be the same AND what I got was the same as the pic in the other thread, with the shorter tube to the filter.

1989GTATransAm

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"There is less that 1/4" clearance between the MAF & the alternator pulley."

Hehehe, I have about an 1/8" clearance with my 4" cold air intake from the pulleys. So far so good.

BlackenedBird

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I got it to fit good, over 1" clearence now, but had to cut the heater hose so that it ran lower & the CAI fit better. And I had to cut about 1"-1.25" off the shorter tube in the kit so that the blue elbow was not sitting on top of the radiator, which obviously won't work for hood clearance reasons in a Firebird.

So it can be made to work, but took some cutting of not only the kit but a hose in the car to make it work. Too bad the silver tube between the MAF & the filter wasn't what was in the kit advertised.
It was definitely a shorter tube that came with it.

BlackenedBird

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Compare my pic to the one for the ad 3 replies up & you will see that what they show is not what you get. Where the filter mounts that piece is definitely not the same!

The MAF would have been sitting on top of the radiator wall if I had not trimmed 1 3/16" off the tube & still think more trimming could be done & still get a secure fit.

brando278705

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Yeah, it looks like with all these problems and cutting that is needed I would probably be better off making my own. Probably would turn out better.

BlackenedBird

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Well, it was just 1 cut with my 3.5" grinder. And can you piece it together for cheaper than $38 shipped? No black, just red or blue, so that might be a deal killer for some people. Blue was fine for me & actually is the only color under my hood, other than black & silver/aluminum/steel(rusty red?).

Orr89RocZ

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if you bought the parts, you may end up spending more than 38 bucks, but atleast you can get something that fits the way you want it to, and looks the way you want it to.

brando278705

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Yeah Im not worried about trying to get under the 38 bucks. Especially since the 38 dollar one needed to be cut. I want something to look good and not all chopped up. So I think the best bet would to be make it myself.

BlackenedBird

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Not "chopped up" at all. 1 straight cut which is under a silicone boot anyways. So if it is crooked? It is the cutting persons fault. So is unseen, unless Clark Kent uses his X-ray vision to look through the silicone boot.

I contacted the Seller about it being a bit too long & we came to an agreement about it. I'll report back if what was offered as a resolution comes through.

brando278705

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Sorry I didn't mean to offend you, I never meant to say it was or your set-up was "chopped" up. I just didn't want to buy a set-up that I would have to cut up and didn't necessarily like the colors and such. I would rather buy it in a pieces and try to chop up something of my own.

BlackenedBird

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No offense taken & I certainly understand the color issue. It just happens to work with my color combo choice.

But if you are planning on buying tubes to cut up & make a CAI kit, then that route is no different. Cutting tubes to make it fit is no different than the 1 cut I made. I only cut 1 of the 2 tubes & only cut 1 3/16" off it. If I cut off any more, it would bring the MAF in closer to the alternator pulley & I don't want that to happen.

brando278705

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Exactly. I am thinking more of a twin filter set-up. My battery is going in the trunk and I can work around my vacuum canister to split the pipes to both sides. That's the look I am going for. I don't want to have just one pipe. I am going to have to find out a way to get the MAF to work in the system. Its going to have to sit in the direct center. I'm sure I can figure something out.

BlackenedBird

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Well, he turned out to be a great Seller! Gave me a $10 refund (on a $38/Free Shipping part) for my trouble.

I cut 1 3/16" off 1 pipe, shorten the heater hose so that it hangs lower (was too long causing it to go up then back down to reach its other connection & it saved me $10. Not bad at all! And the hose that was too long? The CAI kit had nothing to do with that. I simply hadn't noticed it until I went to put the CAI kit in.

I'll take a $10 discount for me having to trim 1 piece any day!


http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/?cmd=...K%3AMEWNX%3AIT

brando278705

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damn nice job, thats not a bad deal. Maybe I should by one and complain about the same problem. Maybe I can get it for 28 also!

1989GTATransAm

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I don't see how the guy is making any money on these. What profit there is must be pretty slim.

brando278705

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especially from looking at what all these parts cost individually. He must have a pretty good hook-up or else he is definitely doing them for free or losing money.

brando278705

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Bump, Lets see if we can get some more different sweet intake set-ups photos on here!

The Project

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Wouldn't that reduce the amount of air thru the rad and cause overheating?

LoudTransAm

Just did mine today. Simple and under $45 to do. Might of made a small increase in performance but not really gonna feel 5-10hp. Repainted the valve covers and hopefull having a guy weld up my a/c holes later today if he comes thru. Also have some 1 3/4 long tubes on the way. Just making it somewhat clean under the hood till I have all the money for the engine rebuild come January

TTOP350

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Because it Looks smaller to me, the pipe infront of the maf looks like it would be a restriction on a car with a bit more power.

BlackenedBird

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How would it be a restriction if is it the same diameter as the MAF? Anything bigger is just overkill since it would bottleneck down through the MAF anyways.

TA

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Sorry, but that is not true at all. If you have a larger diameter pipe, and it only momentarily goes through the restriction of the MAF, the MAF acts as a venturi and everything moves along nicely. If everything is the same area as the smallest area of the MAF, you loose the venturi effect and everything moves slowly through the entire length of the intake. The distance is it restricted makes a very significant difference in the flow rate.

TA

BlackenedBird

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I had a feeling you were going to come up with something like that. And actually, you are mistaken.

Unless it transitions via a cone, then you cannot get the venturi effect. Otherwise you are geting turbulence because of the wall transition of it suddenly having to transition from large to small. Definitely a cork bottle. Otherwise, we wouldn't be port matching things like intake runners & plenums. We would do sharp transitions from large to small.

Sorry, but your argument carries zero weight. If you had a cone transition, then your argument would be valid. But simply increasing the diameter doesn't.

lethaldomestics

How did you get rid of the ac bracket?

TTOP350

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Them:
Sorry, but that is not true at all. If you have a larger diameter pipe, and it only momentarily goes through the restriction of the MAF, the MAF acts as a venturi and everything moves along nicely. If everything is the same area as the smallest area of the MAF, you loose the venturi effect and everything moves slowly through the entire length of the intake. The distance is it restricted makes a very significant difference in the flow rate.

Me:
I edited my post above. It "LOOKS" smaller than the MAF to me.
Y would you want to speed the air up out there in front of the maf? To max the MAF fueling tables faster? Thats not good. The coldair kit isnt a stumblerator that needs to speed up airflow to pull fuel out of the bowl.
If you can find it buy a used SLP cold air kit.

RoelSS

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The eBay intake 90* silicone elbow is not a full 3" radius. Looks to be about 2.5" or less. I have that same intake & replaced that piece with a spectre 3" diameter 90* elbow from pepboys. This spectre is closer to 3" but still not a full 3" radius.
Now that I saw intakehoses.com (thanks to you guys) I see a much smoother 3" 90 rubber hose that I planning on using now.

BlackenedBird

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Your "venturi effect" would speed up the air flow, so you say it like speeding it up is a good thing, then you say it isn't? Sounds like your contradicting yourself there.

And without a cone transition, no.....You would NOT get a venturi effect from the sudden size change. You would get a wall effect of the air slamming into the sudden smaller diameter of the MAF. If your theory held water, we would not spend all our efforts port matching intakes to runners & such. Every time the air moves from one part to another, it needs a smooth transition.

With a cone transition, then yes. You could get the venturi effect. But I know of no air intake that comes with a cone piece to transition the air flow into a smaller piece.

And as for the SLP piece....That was for MAP cars. No place to put a MAF, so we MAF people can't use it. The Camaro guys might be able to fit a MAF between the SLP piece & the TB, but finding a SLP would cost you more than having one custom fabbed with 2 steel tubing pieces.

TTOP350

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I copied and pasted someone elses post and put it in my post. to lazy to reply with a quote. I'll go back a fix it 4 ya.

Speeding up the air thru the maf isnt good on these cars. Unless your speeding up "all the air" from air filter to exhaust tips.
Speeding up the air or venturi effect isnt my "theory" at all.
All of these cars do have a cone that goes from the small maf 3"to a larger 4"Tbody. Its reverse buuut its a cone.

I have a SLP cold air kit on 2 of my MAF birds, a single kit and a Dual kit on 2 of my SD birds. SLP even made the kits 4 89 TTAs.
The best part of the SLP kit is it uses a sealed (to outside air) filter box on the pass side.
The camaro kits ditch the restrictive plastic Y and move the battery.

While they may or maynot work, I think the ebay kits along with plumers piping just look cheesy..

BlackenedBird

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I give up. You say things & then say you didn't. we can 'net banter back & forth all day, but until your words stay consistent we will not make any headway in this. So I am done.

I can't restate anything I haven't already said any clearer, so I'll just leave it up to your reading skills from here on.

TTOP350

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I cant make things any clearer 4 you either.
I tried to answer someone elses post but you're thinking I said them. I didnt use the reply with quote feature, I copied their post, put it in mine and answered all in one post.
Then you quoted my post thinking I said it all.
I was tired and didnt set it up correctly. Sorry I got you so confused.

BlackenedBird

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I understood what you posted just fine. The problem is, your are merely repeating other people's words & taking their word for it. You are not recanting any personal experience of your own. Once you have some PERSONAL EXPERIENCE to pass on, feel free. I can post words from others to, just that doesn't make them legit nor even 100% true. You can't answer any questions that arrive, because you only know what little was said.

I only say what *I* know or provide the source, so that it can be questioned to who actually said it. You haven't so it is very hard to take your word for anything resembling fact. People have a tendency to make false claims to reinforce their claims "So-and-so said....." which makes it is easy for them to not claim any responsibility for it.

I'd like to see you post some personal experience on the subject or provide references for your words.

Yes, the SLP piece can be used on MAF cars, although not nearly as easy as on SD cars. Just like the early MAD Camaros & their stock y-filter set up connection to the TB.

I have pretty much lost track of all of this since it turned into such a MAF subject, but no.....The eBay does not create bad air supply due to something like mismatched size between the tubing & MAF. I have one & don't regret getting it for even 1 second. I just need to create a wall now to isolate the filter from the engine bay. Right now it is merely a WarmAI not ColdAI due to the access to the warm engine bay air.

TTOP350

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I didn't repeat or take others words and just agree?? I don't know how you got that?? I just pointed out that the Ebay part "looked" like it would/could be a restriction on a MAF car with more mods than stock. I do not know if the ID is smaller that the MAF but in the pic it sure *looks* like it. Someone else posted some nonsense about the venturi this and that, I just wondered Y they think venturi effect helps. Then you questioned me about it but it was someone elses post I was asking them about..
Go back to the 1st post and read the whole thread. I think your putting waaay more into this than is needed.

I have plenty of experience, I'm 40 and have worked on cars since I was 12 or so in my grandfathers shop then moved on to professional/performance shops in my teens and even more so as I have gotten older.
However, I do not have any idea how that Ebay part performs. I just stated that the pipe "looked" smaller than the MAF. Is it or isn't it the same ID as the MAF?
Have you put it on the dyno or take it to the track?? How does it perform? Your car stock or decently modded? Did it pick up power? I'm just asking because I don't know.

Its clear you don't have any experience with the SLP kits at all.
MAF and SD single kits both used the same cold air box. Kits came with 2 modified factory bellows for the MAF cars and the SD just used the stock factory hard plastic. Y is the MAF sooo much harder when it uses SLP modded factory parts?? (for the birds, camaros had a few diff parts but they were modded factory parts)

I guess it comes down to the fact that I dont like the way the Ebay parts look and you dont like what I said about them?? While they may perform just fine, to me it just looks like they belong on a Vtec. Sorry if that offends anyone but it is just my 2cents nothing more or less.

RoelSS

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You're right about it looking like it belongs on a vtec. I painted mine all flat black. Looks decent. The only restriction is the 90* silicone elbow. You can see my pics in my gallery to see what it looks like, along with the spectre plastic elbow. As for performance, it works fine on a stock motor, see sig below. I'll be making a new one soon using intakehosea.com pieces. They have a large variety in angles and tubes.

lethaldomestics

I commute 40 miles a day 5 days a week. at the end of the week i have noticed the increase in performance and it also showed in my wallet. this was well worth it.

lethaldomestics

Tuned Performance

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I must have one of those performance increased wallets you speak of. My wife thinks I have one already because my money goes so fast

BlackenedBird

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Your making less & less sense every time you respond.

Your the same age as me (I'll be 41 in Feb.) so your not just a teenager spouting stuff, but I think you lack clear communication skills via text.

When you have some first hand experience with one of these kits, rather just trying to repeat what others have said? Feel free to come back. Because you aren't very clear in what you have said so far.

As for how mine performed. No, I didn't spend the $ on a dyno just to find out any increase/decrease from a CAI. That would cost 4 times the cost of the CAI kit. And I did a few mods the week before so it wasn't just 1 stand alone mod performed and which I do know where most responsible for my increases, but the CAI itself did contribute even further. The result of my intake base swap, ported plenum & CAI = When my 315s were only occasionally capable of laying black marks going into 2nd gear & only when cold before....Yet 3rd gear blacks are EASY on hot tires? Obviously what I did helped. No doubt there.

TTOP350

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I believe its your comprehension skills that may need the work.

I'll take it slow and one sentence at a time for you.

I said it over and over I DON'T know anything about the Ebay kit.

I asked questions about the kit and how it performed.

I have NEVER givin any information about the kit. Only a observation from a posted picture.

Have you measured the ID (inside diameter) of the Ebay kits tubing yet?
Is it bigger or smaller than the factory MAF??
Instead of just telling me you can "spin the 315s now" shut me up and measure the ID of your Ebay tubing parts.

I DON'T KNOW about the EBAY kit which is y I ask questions. I tend to ask questions to learn.

I have NOT repeated what others have said nor have I stated it was a fact.

Please tell me what information I'm repeating instead of just saying over and over im repeating others info??

Using your butt dyno is spouting useless info about the kit, esp if you did other mods at the same time. IMO.

Until you Dyno your car with the stock air intake to set a baseline HP number and then dyno it again with the Ebay intake kit to find out if it helped or not, you are the one spouting baseless information.

My car will spin the tires at over 100mph.... if I want it to.

BlackenedBird

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I'm Unsubscribing...I can't stand to read your nonsense, lack of comprehension & inability to comprehend.

TTOP350

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really?

Anti-Venom

LMAO!

I will tell you guys from "real world" Mustang chassis dyno experience.
With the stock pipe on a K&N equiped MAF '89 bird. Playing around I removed the pipe from the inlet side of the MAF. With the hood up and very large fans blowing I gained 1hp and lost 4lbft with an open MAF over having the drop in K&N filter element in the stock airbox. Thinking there might be turbulent air going into the MAF, we fashioned a straight section of open pipe in front of the MAF. The run was repeatable.

After this test I can tell you sucking hot air from under the hood with that setup will net you absolutely nothing.

If anything the metal pipe is now more of a heatsink than the factory piece and speculatively might even be raising your IAT's.

The SLP unit will pull a cool ram air effect in actual driving conditions and should net a gain. TTOP did you ever get a chance to run yours before and after at the track? Any MPH gain?

TTOP350

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I installed the whole SLP kit when I did mine so I do not have any good data to look at and my car is sooo far from stock now it wouldn't be close to having good numbers.
One thing I did do at the track was to drop the lower black plastic part under the pass front bumper about 3-4inches with threaded rod washers and some nuts. What it did was pressurized the pass fender to force feed air up to the SLP box. That did gain me 2ish tenths and 3ish mph. If i closed it, the car slowed, if i opened it back up, It picked back up.. Nifty 4 $1.00 worth of junk at the hardware store.

CamKid1992

Has anyone done mods to the stock tpi air box other then cutting off below the filters? i love the way it looks and dont want to get rid of it but i will be running alot more hp here soon. if only there was a way to send boost pressure through it.... if noone has anything im going to mod something...

Mike92Firebird

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Okay so I ran this "Ebay" 38 dollar intake all summer long. Seemed to work pretty well. The only problem I ran into was the aluminum piping got extremley hot. I felt like it was being less effecient than the stock intake. So I've taken the filter from the ebay one and slapped it on the end of the stock intake. Seems to be working well so far.

BlackenedBird

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You can add "tubes" to channel the incoming air up.
https://www.thirdgen.org/ramair

And I've seen a thread here on TGO before about cutting where the Y-piece go over the radiator & putting in a bigger PVC pipe piece to allow more airflow.

WASyL

my own design with 2 K&N filter that has inlet of 4", colw hood to make that fit





best regards

janson33

hey man does this intake have a hole for the mat sensor?not the maf but the MAT? u know the little one u probes know wut im talking about lol i just wanna be sure

BlackenedBird

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MAT sensor? Try asking again in actual English & maybe I can tell what your asking about.

'wut' 'im' 'u' are not in the English dictionary & what is 'probes'?