anesthes

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I don't know if they screwed up the decal alignment, or did it on purpose.

I'm running 4th gen decals on my 1988 Formula (when complete). If someone says I did it wrong I'll smack them for a fool's comment.

The 383 is also 'wrong' for a mid 80's IROC. Better put the stock engine back in!



-- Joe

Joe Tag

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It's your car, do to it what you want. Because in the end it only matters that you are pleased with it. To spare any further debate, I wont say the decals are "wrong". Just not where they were when she brought the car in. She did give creative control to Danny I guess. But I don't see any benefit of placing the decals where they are.
I am a semi purist with these cars. I think GM got the look of the car perfect right off the assembly line. Throw whatever engine you want in it, so long as you can only tell by the sound of the exhaust. A Berlinetta should be just that, Cowl hoods belong on first gens and 70s Chevelles, ram air belongs on WS6s. (time to go get a Nomex suit, cause I know I'll get flamed) No offense to anyone that has these, this is just the way I feel these cars should be.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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30+ was way too much. Last month Counts Customs did a rusted out truck. They did a full restore for around $20 G's. Doesn't that ring a bell? How about price gouging? That's just the way I look at it.

anesthes

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Unless you've been in the business, owned a shop, and built cars than I don't think you could possibly understand why different makes/modules cost different to build.

The car is black. It's straight as an arrow. Again, not a roll-on paintjob, serious body work, and a jet black with zero orange peel. That's 15-20k just in paint work. New interior. Have you looked at OER pricing lately? The engine, wiring, tuning. I don't work for free. Do you?

-- Joe

Buggy Disaster

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^Good point Joe.

Professional Labor is not cheap and ads up real quick.

Also,

The over all price was high, BUT it was worth it. I would rather have a "new" thirdgen with a good powertrain (LSX) then a new 2013 Camaro.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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Hey hey hey. That last two sentences seem a bit harsh. I see it as a challenge or something. But I will refrain from any confrontation. Now. I regards to the interior, it was half booty. The seat belt guide on the passenger side was off and down towards the headrest and the center console was smashed (probably the original). For a $30,000+ rebuild, you would guess that the job would of been thorough.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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A final thought. Why fight over a car that doesn't belong to either of us???
Just saying.

anesthes

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Nobody is challenging you. It's a simple question. What do you value labor? I need $100/hr to leave the house.

-- Joe

Joe Tag

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You keep bringing it up, so here it goes. We are all very proud of how much YOU make. It has nothing to do with it unless you had your hands on the car.
Frankly, if she is willing to pay that much to repair a car(not do a true restoration as you have mentioned) it's on her. All I'm saying is it doesnt matter if you charge $7.50 an hour or $750. You do your job RIGHT , to the best of your ability, and price it accordingly. We should not be able to pick little things out from fleeting shots on tv. Imagine what could be found with a critical eye in person.
If you're a brain surgeon, or a garbage man, you do your job with pride. It's an old school thought that was literally beat into me and something that is lacking in the younger generation. Delete me, ban me, I dont get spooked by "authority" figures.

anesthes

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The car was done by a high end shop, which charges high end rates, and does high end work. It wasn't done in a trailer park, by a garbage man. The paint wasn't rolled on using rustoleum, the body isn't dented and warped.

If you don't know how many hours go into a build like that, because you've never done a build like that, why are you debating anything? It's simple math.

Why would I delete or ban you? Because we don't agree? I'm not five years old. With the number of idiots we have joining on a daily basis that we have to deal with, your not even on the radar.


-- Joe

Joe Tag

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One grainy shot and 2 questions. Maybe I don't know what high end work is.
Is this fender properly aligned? Is the decal where it should be? Again, give me the car for 10 minutes in person.
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anesthes

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Again, the decal is where the builder and customer want it to be.

As far as the fender alignment, it looks about on par with what I've seen. The ground FX look a little goofy, but sometimes they did from the factory.

What about this one? How do you like the decal placement?




-- Joe

sweetmelissa

Anyone watch "wrecks to Riches" on Velocity the other night ?? They took a 3rd gen Camaro (salvaged) that looked in pretty good shape definitely savable and ruined it.. Painted it pink and green with a stuffed animal and other **** glued to the body. Was going to one of the workers as a new car to get parts in because he had an accident with the shop car...What a bunch of freakin idiots to do that to a third gen !!!

Joe Tag

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Round and round we go. Let's depart from the decal thing because I don't have the energy to debate it. Focus on the 1 sq foot of the fender alignment. The body side molding, bump strip is off by the same 1/4". This means one of two things. The door is too high or the fender too low. As compared to where it was from the factory. Probably just bumped the door up to accomodate for door sag/bad hinge bushings. Easily fixed by loosening 2 bolts on the bottom of fender. Raise the fender up. This will bow the center of it out so you pull the bottom front of these 2 adjustments out a little and it pulls it back in.(just did my car a few weeks ago and this works). The best paint job on the planet looks like crap if body panels are not aligned properly IMO. We obviously will never see eye to eye on this so I said my peace on it and I am done here.

Chevy86 IROC-Z

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Alright guys. Let keep it clean. The owner has the final say. Sometimes the shop will get things wrong. That's just something that occurs.

Question. What if the customer doesn't like the end results or is not satisfied with the work? Is there a percentage that will be discounted for customer satisfaction?

Rell_1218

Counting Cars '86 Camaro IROC-Z Engine Combos SUM-CSUMCC13000
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Ruckusz28

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Interesting.. the price seems a bit high but I dig the idea of a package. I blew my engine up over the summer (to find out that the PO lied about the components) and have been eyeing the blueprint crate engines vs. going LS.

If you sourced all of the parts used locally, you could probably save 2000 on that package.

Chiming in with my .02 (not that it matters).. quality parts installed by quality technicians costs quality money. Maybe not to the tune of 30k, but the right price is the price somebody is willing to pay and the price that somebody is willing to accept. Again, we're talking about high end work (i understand, the term is relative) and new parts. This isn't the plasti dip paint job and autozone air filter kind of "customization" that seems to be commonplace around tgo these days which is why I rarely frequent this site anymore.

MintWS6FORMULA

You know those people pay through the nose for cars. Just like they pay through the nose for a custom made bike on OCC. They'd have to charge through the nose to pay for all their help, the lease on their building, all their tools, and enough for the owners to go out and buy expensive toys for their own.

MintWS6FORMULA

What's that show, The Car Chasers, with the guy and his wife buying cars to flip and his old man owns his own car flipping business and is on the show all the time?? Anyway, those shows are so fake. Supposedly he bought a Grand National for something like $10k to flip. I never EVER known anyone who would sell a GN for that little. I question the amounts they claim they pay and their supposed profits.

anesthes

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You would pay 10 grand for an old buick regal with a tired 3.8 and a small turbo?

Here is one for 16k

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Buick-Regal-...-/161461830752

Still too much IMO. It may have been king of the grocery getter's in the 80's but it's just a slow ugly grandma car now...



-- Joe

visitor

Agreed. Slow ugly turds.

Skinny Neb

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I like the GN


Might just be because all of them I've seen have been legitimately fast.

Johnny Blaze

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Really guys?
Still arguing over a show that has what, 3 years ago?

anesthes

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Two, but who's counting.

-- Joe

padak

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My only issue with this thread is.. most of the people complaining about the 40K price, are not complaining because it wasn't WORTH 40K (things danny messed up on), but literally said they wouldn't sink 40K into a 3rd gen if they had it.. they would buy a vette or 5th gen... That's my problem. You are suppose to be 3rd gen lovers.. but wouldn't put 40K into if you had it?

I could easily, if I had it put:

5K paint
5K Body Work
10K Engine
5K Suspension
5K Wheels, tires, brakes

That's assuming everything is pristine or new, not even counting labor rates...

anesthes

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Lovers? A moderate like perhaps.

I have 20k into my race car. (thirdgen) I've spent more on other builds but less on others too.

I kinda like the way thirdgen's look, and they drive ok. Not as great as my fourth gen, but better than the second gens I've owned. I suspect people build thirdgen's for the same reason I have, they are cheap.

-- Joe