HamSpiced

Before i had my camaro i had a cavalier and it got wrecked, of the things i had in it was the 9004 9005 bright white/blue headlights and *** these were cool as hell.

i bought the 9004 and 9005 harness for the lights and i am gonan go to a junk yard with the proper dimensions to find a headlight casign that would fit on our cars, my only problem is ther eis one extra wire that the 9004/9005 headlights requre. what is this extra wire? Can i do this? has anyone else done this?

I ran a search and i didnt get any Concrete answers.

HamSpiced

Oh comon, you mean no one has tried this yet???

CrazyHawaiian

I dont know anything about the wiring but I'm pretty sure you could use any of the H4 headlamp enclosures out there. I happen to have an extra set of 9005/9006 PIAA ultrawhite bulbs sitting on my desk, maybe if I get bored I'll give it a try on my 90 RS. As for the 91, I do have a headlight mod in progress, but I'm going european ...

HamSpiced

i dont know if the H4 enclosures will work....

the 9004/9005 bulbs sorta turn and click into place, therefore i am thinking that i cant just swap it out... however if i feel risky ill tear out the back end of a headlight to get the enclosure for the bulb, grab my culk gun and slap it on the back of an H4 ligh enclosure.....

but my biggest concern is what the hell is that extra wire for???wheres it go?

Zepher

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On my old 94 Sunbird Coupe, I could have sworn that both bulbs only had two wires and mine used the 9005/9004 combo as well.

HamSpiced

wow... my memory must be failing me......yes there are only two wires not three like i had thought...now i have two more questions...

1)will doing this pose any problems with my headlight wiring system?

2) can anyone supply me with a link that describes in detail how to do the headlight relay modification?

Z28 Boy

if i remember right, i think it was autozone (maybe mailorder...) that had a headlight like the ones we have that actually have a socket in the back for a 900X style bulb.

ill check it out and let you know...

-Brian

HamSpiced

Thats kickass man. find the info you can and post as soon as ya can, that makes me happy...:lala:

89RJcamaroRS

autozone has the light casigs. its for a 9003 bulb or h4. direct plug in to our sockets

HamSpiced

got an item number??

HamSpiced

lol i almost didnt notice i was saying 9004/9005 i meant 9005/9006 oops...

anyway i went to autozone checked out that light thing and i am not sure it will fit the 9005/6 bulbs, are you sure it will?

Stang Eater

check out your local EUROLITE dealer, they make conversion housings for sealed beam applications.

CrazyHawaiian

Ok when I get home tonight I'm going to take a H4 housing and see if a 9005/9006 bulb plugs in. I'll let you guys know what happens. Happen to have the parts laying around.

If it does fit, then we'd need to work on the wiring. I got no clue there. But if I sat down with the wiring diagrams I'm sure I could figgure it out.

HamSpiced

from what i see the wiring will be fine for the low beams, all we will need to do basically is buy the 9005/9006 plug and fashion two pieces of metal to stick in the current heatlight housing..im thinking rip the pieces of metal off an old headlight and soder them to the wires of the new plug and Voila, we have an adapter.

If you are worried about current we may need to upgrade the wires themselves as i am not sure what the impedance of the wire can handle. I am sure running new wires for the headlights cant be too hard, and its a small hassle for the kick *** outcome.

next is the relay. I have yet to put the headlight relay in and if i am gonna do this 9005/06 headlight conversion i think ill put the relay in as well. so does anyone have a link to a place thatll tell me whats up? im figuring if im re-wiring it why not shove in the relay too.

FLYNLOW92rs

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Where can you buy those plug-in connectors for 9004 bulbs, The part that the bulb actually plugs in to with the wires comming out??

HamSpiced

actually i meant 9005/06 ....you can/should be able to buy them at any autozone/Murrays. i bought mine @ Murrays for 3.99 each connector. i bought the 9006 and 9005 one. the part number is CALTERM 09006

ran into a really large problem doing this though guys......

The lowbeam lamps that we use require 6 wires...the 9006(Low beam connector) only has two wires for it.. now if it was merely 2 positive and two negatives id be fine cause that would tell me that it takes double wires. but!!!!! what are the other two wires for??? i havent had time to go into depth and find out what they are but i think that :

2 wires = Negative
2 wires = Positive
2 wires = Chassis Ground

now if anyone can tell me if i am either wrong or right i would greatly appreciate it. if anyone has any advise or anything else on what i should do please reply!!!

ShadowZ28

you can buy headlight conversions at midnight moose. they come with the housing, asuperwhite bulb, and all the wiring for $40.

http://www.midnightmoose.com/housings.htm

HamSpiced

Yes, yes you can. but that is useless here.

What i want to do is use 9005/9006 headlights not H4 or H1. the bulbs are different and i personally like them better. i may end up buying the conversion headlight shell cause i hit the bone yard today looking for some stuff...

I found that the Myth of the 96-92 fullsize chevy truck headlights fit our cars is false. they are bigger by about a half inch all the way around.

i snipped 4-6 9005 and 9006 headlight harness plugs from a few cavaliers and grandams and i ripped the enclosure that houses the bulbs for an even 5 bucks. imk waiting for Crazy Hawaian to tell me if the 9005 bulbs will fit in the conversion light....any ways im gonna see what i can do with a hollowed out old sealed beam.

FAST RS

The head ligt conversions are 60.00 bucks at autozone but they ar ekinda ***** they have a neon light that goes around the outter edge of the bulb if i remeber correctly ill look for them tommorw and try to get a partnumber i work there and think i remeber where i put them in back.

HamSpiced

both Murrays and Autozone carry headlight conversion kits... however they convert sealed beams to H4.

I dont want H4 headlights i want 9005/9006 there is a difference. i am going to make an all new Wireing harness like the one in the Tech Articles and instead of using the three prong connectors i am gonna use the 9005/9006 plugs. ill tell ya how it goes when i finish.

I may have to buy the headlight conversion kit ONLY FOR THE HEADLIGHT POCKETS. The harness in there is useless and helps me out none. please note I DO NOT WANT H4 BULBS.

CrazyHawaiian

What hes saying is the H4 enclosure will not accept the 9005/9006 bulb without modification. The H4 bulbs are held in with this weird latch thing and the way the H4 bulb plug is designed make the fitment sealed. The 9005/9006 bulbs slide into the 9005/9006 housings and turn to 'click' in. I checked the 9005/9006 bulbs in the H4 housing and like you said HamSpiced it didnt fit. It will sit in the enclosure, but does not seal the enclosure (water will get in) and does not look like its stable (might fall out lol). Right now I'm busy asking friends for Japan Parts Catalogs so I can find the H4 to 9005/9006 backplate conversion kit. Someone told me about it, I just need to find it. its about $40 for two of them and will convert the backside of a H4 enclosure to accept the 9005/9006 bulbs. Its universal too. I'll post here again when I find it.

HamSpiced

Hey crazy Hawaian.....go to the junkyard and rip off the headlights of a grandam 93-01. there is a special plate that the 9005/06 bulbs click into that can be removed by two screws... i bought 4 of them outta junkyard for 5 bucks, think i could screw these to the headlight casings for the H4 and then seal it?

CrazyHawaiian

Its very possible. I'll have to give it a try. The H4 enclosures dont have screw holes, and I dont think you could make holes because it might crack the inside of the headlamp enclosure, but you might be able to use the H4 bulb latch things (2 of them on each H4 headlamp) to hold that backplate in place. If worse comes to worse we could use glue! lol

HamSpiced

COuld always drill a pilot hole. but i planned on sealing the outer edges with Culk anyways...

do you have the regular enclosure or the diamond looking ones?

87CIZ

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I do have the H4 bulbs in my Iroc. toucan industries makes the 4x6 headlight that accepts H4 bulbs i believe APC (american products company) sells the h4 harness that upgrades your wiring, when using the higher wattage bulbs you need this or it will melt them. I have 90/100w H4 bulbs but they make a 55/60w that is a little more powerful than stock. but when converting to h4's all 4 headlights are on all the time and all 4 are lows and highbeams. the headlight housings are $25 a piece and the harness is around $50 but it's a very noticable difference. If anyone else is interested i know of a h4, h1 conversion kit h1's are single filament. (just like stock)

nikh23

check the tech articles for things like this next time, here's the diagram for the harness

headlight harness

CrazyHawaiian

Ok, note again this thread isn't about upgrading to H4 bulbs. This thread is about upgrading to 9005/9006 bulbs. There is a difference.

HamSpiced

~*Update*~

Today i bought all the materials as suggested in the tech article for upgrading a wireing harness. i already have the actual 9005/06 plugs so i will use them. this is gonna be easier to use but i transferred two of the positive wires into a single wire that will go to the low beam bulbs. once i finish constructing it i will post a diagram and a few progression pictures. i will buy the H4 Enclosure and mount the 9005 housings in them and seal it with culk when the money comes. I may not be able to post toe pics or diagram for a minimum of two weeks because of Finals and Final papers(i hate College) As Crazy Hawian said this is not a Thread for H4 Conversions.

FLYNLOW92rs

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Any updates............


How did you splice the 9005 low beam/9006 High Beam connectors into the thirdgen...

Or did you at least figure out how to do it??

HamSpiced

alright i rememberd seeing an upgrade wiring diagram in the tech articles and i went there and got this schematic.



i just went to a junkyard and bought the harness for the newer bulbs and put them in the setup. basically i crossed the blue and red wires together. the harness is completly made and has the loom and everything.

i also bought the adapters that house 9004/9006 bulbs from a grandam/prix....

the only thing i am missing is the actual headlight to mount the adapters on.. i cant afford it right now and i am actually in really bad money problems. i cant find a job anywhere, car insurance is due in a month and i am broke...i was hopin to get a job right when summer vac. hit but i cant find one. anyways as soon as i finish you guys will be updated with pics.

FLYNLOW92rs

iTrader: (53)

What did you end up doing about this problem??

Also what would connecting the red and blue ones from the thirdgen wiring diagram accomplish and what wires on the 9006 connector do you put them on???

Thanks in advance

HamSpiced

if you make the diagram as shown you wont have the problem with
you basically go right into the newer style plugs...



now dont necessarily connect them together but run them along sides but they go to the same connection point. this just provides a 12v positive charge.


im not sure which wires are what truthfully... i havent connected the last conenctors untill i can find which is pos and which is neg...

FLYNLOW92rs

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Is it possible to wire your headlights to a switch??

I was thinking of wiring the headlights to a fuse, then to a switch mounted inside of the car??

Obviouly grounding it and including a 12v power connection??

This way i can by-pass all that crap stock wiring??


Can it be done??

EvilCartman

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I've had a set of these MonteCarlo lights sitting around for months now wanting to put them in lol. Now that it's warmed up and stopped raining, I'll get back on the project sometime. This pic just shows one of them sitting in the headlight pocket errm upside down oops.

EDIT: humm pic didn't show up first time

FLYNLOW92rs

iTrader: (53)

ttt...

Any ideas on making this headlight wiring work with a switch mounted inside the car??

Thanks....

HamSpiced

yes it would work, howeveritd probably be better hooking it to a relay first... all you current headlight button is, is a switch. if you want something to laugh at i know a guy that used one of them switches from a ceiling fan (you know with the string that you pull) as a Headlight switch.


im still jobless and without money to buy the actual lamps... untill then no info guys. sorry.

FLYNLOW92rs

iTrader: (53)

HamSpiced....

What are the exact specifications on those chevy headlights you said didn't fit???

Let me know....

HamSpiced

i dont have exact specifications, i walked around with a sealed beam from my car that was shot and put it up to other headlights that looked similar. the chevy trucks "looked" to be about a half inch to an inch too big. i dont have exact measurements cause i didnt spend too much time. i figured if its that much bigger our hoods will get caught on it. im gonna just use the sealed beam conversion housing and im gonna mount a bracket i ripped out of 92-96 grand am to hold the newer bulbs... as soon as i have money to buy the housings and take pics it will make more sense...

Zeke3Elevn

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FLYNLOW92rs

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UPDATE:

I got them wired in my car.....

9006 Low Beams


Waiting for the housing to fab them up....

HamSpiced

did you hook them up to a switch like you suggested?

Zeke3Elevn

what kind of balasts and bulbs did you use?

jeffnefbody

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Options for your Camaro's. I have an 02' Z28 with Crazy Lighting


I work for Hids4Less.com.


3rd Gen you want 6 1/2" x 4 1/8 H4 Sealed Beam Conversion Lenses that carry an H4 bulb in the rear. This replaces the Stock H4656 in the 3rd Gen Camaros. Then you can put H4 Halogen Bulbs in the sockets such as PIAA's or HIDS from us. Same goes for the high beam..

4th Gen

LT1 - you need to upgrade the factory sealed beam once again, good luck they are hard to come by. (I have HID versions available)

LS1 - 9006 Bulbs in your lows , 9005 in your highs , I have HIDs for both and PIAA Also makes bulbs for both. and DEPROJECTORS made by Hella in your fog lamps, also available in HID. They are direct replacement for the OEM fog lamp which sucks. These are the same fog lamps OEM on the Porsche 996.

Anyone in New England , ill install your stuff if you attend the New England Fbody Meets... www.nefbody.com

FLYNLOW92rs

iTrader: (53)

Nope, I wired them into the stock harness.....

HamSpiced

Be carefull Flyby...if you use the stock harness you may burn out the wires....thats why i just made a new harness..


jeffnefbody and you Hids4less illiterate idiots.....Please read the full thread....at any point do we wonder how to use H4 bulbs???? we already went over this we want 9005/9006 bulbs not H4. please read previous threads.

jeffnefbody

You know what, why do I even bother! If you guys dont want my opinion on the light upgrades , ill just leave. What the hell would I know about automotive lighting anyway.....

Some tech board...

jeffnefbody

9005, 9006 bulbs in an 3rd Gen... Why would you do that? An E-code lense and an H4 is highly comparable to my factory 9006/9005 housing. You can do these upgrades without glueing, siliconing and doing a half *** job.

- Jeff

Zeke3Elevn

Hamspiced, you need to calm down. This is a tech board, Jeff is just trying to help you guys ... there is absolutly no need to get all bent out of shape... **** like that is welcome on www.risr.net so why don't you go over there

-Matt

HamSpiced

I apologise jeff, my words were a little harsh but we have already went through this in the thread.





I apologise for what i said to scare you off, but this thread is in no way relevant to H4 conversions. second jeff yes i am sure your store sells the Conversions but with our old cars its wise to upgrade the entire harness as suggested in the tech article....

jeffnefbody

To anyone else... My cost on H4656 E-Code Optics (no H4 bulb inclusive) is $25.00 a set. 61/2 x 4 1/8. Keep in mind these are true German Glass & Metal E-Code Optics. I can get them for New England Fbody owners, but you must be a member and I have to order three sets at a time. I will give them to them to people at the meets & install them if they wish.


- Jeff

ps. Moderators this is not solicitizing because I am not making a dime off these optics, its favor based. I do my fbody buddies a favor they help me with stuff like welding subframes and things of that nature on my car.