Brakes Looking to upgrade or get the most out of what you have stock? All brake discussions go here!

Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Old 12-22-2015, 06:19 PM
  #1  
Senior Member

Thread Starter
 
scuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Beautiful Tunnel Hill Georgia
Posts: 615
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 67 Firebird Convertible
Engine: LB9
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.55
Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

I've had these PBR calipers, brackets, and all hardware lying around for about 10 years, and am ready to mount them on newly rebuilt 9 bolt rear end.
I can't remember whether the dished part of bracket goes inboard or outboard, and it looks like I can mount both forward, or to the rear, because I have a left and right bracket, as well as caliper.
Can anyone give me answer which way bracket goes on rear end?
I could mount it up couple times until I worked it out, but would like to be right first time out.
I'm leaning toward mounting calipers forward to give more clearance around shocks.
I think I can work out e cables either way.
Thanks for any help.
Ron
Attached Thumbnails Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket-pbr-caliper-bracket.jpg  

Last edited by scuzz; 12-22-2015 at 06:23 PM. Reason: to ad picture
Old 12-23-2015, 07:16 PM
  #2  
Member

 
BBU.COM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 211
Received 73 Likes on 36 Posts
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Your picture is showing the LEFT bracket, and the caliper mount ears go toward the rear of the car (caliper trailing) Now, normally I wouldn't reply to a message so many members here could easily answer but I noticed you said "newly rebuilt 9 bolt" That bracket you have there "looks" like the 10 bolt, it wont work on a 9 bolt if so, so I`m trying to save you the trouble of pressing on a bearing to find out the brackets pattern is off. Go ahead and put it to the 9 bolt flange and see if it lines up, I don`t believe it will but I could be wrong, the 9 bolt brackets have a dust shield normally with a different profile. I happen to have a few sets of those 9 bolt brackets if you need, just let me know.
Old 12-23-2015, 07:43 PM
  #3  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (1)
 
sofakingdom's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 26,027
Received 1,662 Likes on 1,261 Posts
Car: Yes
Engine: Usually
Transmission: Sometimes
Axle/Gears: Behind me somewhere
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

What he said: the 9-bolt and 10-bolt brackets are different. They are EXACTLY the same except different. Gotta have the right ones. I have some of each too, and I can assure you, they are not the same.

When you get the right ones you'll see it's almost impossible to put them on any way BUT the right way. They'll tell you when you have it right all by themselves.
Old 12-24-2015, 11:04 AM
  #4  
Senior Member

Thread Starter
 
scuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Beautiful Tunnel Hill Georgia
Posts: 615
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 67 Firebird Convertible
Engine: LB9
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.55
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Thanks for someone finally answering back.
Since no one ever left any response, I finally just started putting it together and used the SWAG method.
The complete kit was purchased from someone on TGO that's supposed to know that doesn't answer emails or phone any more.
The brackets do bolt up to my 9 bolt, and will go to the front or back by swapping sides with them.
I did learn that the curve bend on outside goes inboard, and then my rotors seem to line up with the brake brackets.
I first put the curve outboard, but calipers didn't want to line up, so took it apart and reversed and all seemed okay that way.
I tool rotors out to have turned a little to get rust off them from sitting in my shop all these years, so I will finish bolting everything when I get them back.
I think i'm okay, but if not, i'll get back and try to get other brackets from you guys.
The rear had typical GM brackets with dust covers attached when I got the rear end 8-10 years ago, but I didn't have any rotors and calipers, cables, and hardware. That's when I bought this kit and I told the guy it was a 9 bolt.
These rotors are bigger than the caliper brackets that I had, and calipers do not bolt up either.
I was supposed to have bought the 1LE setup.
I'm putting the calipers to front as I'm putting this rear end in 59 Chevy pickup now, as the Camaro is long gone and never got the rear changed.
With the calipers to the front, my shocks will work out better.
Thanks for the help you two have been.

Last edited by scuzz; 12-24-2015 at 11:05 AM. Reason: Add line.
Old 12-31-2015, 03:45 PM
  #5  
Senior Member

Thread Starter
 
scuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Beautiful Tunnel Hill Georgia
Posts: 615
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 67 Firebird Convertible
Engine: LB9
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.55
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Well, I have everything mounted on my rear, except calipers. Will pick up pads tomorrow, and mount them and then start building brake lines.
I have attached a couple pictures of mounting that might help someone else.
Everything worked out find after I figured out to mount my brackets with the curve inboard.
I have the same clearance on both sides of rotor to my caliper bracket.
I have learned that these are called "performance option" from parts store I trade at.
They must be different from 1le. I really don't know.
Maybe someone can explain difference.
Not sure which pads go in, but they told me 413 was a good number.
Attached Thumbnails Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket-20151231_125235.jpg  
Old 12-31-2015, 04:48 PM
  #6  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (8)
 
TTOP350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Il
Posts: 11,685
Received 745 Likes on 505 Posts
Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

1989 is the only yr for the 9 bolt and PBR disc.
The rear PBR aluminum disc became the standard rear disc in 1989 through 97.
In 89 there is a early 2 piece caliper mounting bracket and the mid year change to the 1 piece mounting bracket (which you have).
In 90 the 1 piece bracket received some minor changes to be used on the 10bolt.
Old 01-01-2016, 07:45 AM
  #7  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (14)
 
greezemonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The "D"
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Car: A Portly 85 Z28
Engine: 4.530 X 4.250 BBC
Transmission: under rated for this application
Axle/Gears: also under rated
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Originally Posted by TTOP350
1989 is the only yr for the 9 bolt and PBR disc.
The rear PBR aluminum disc became the standard rear disc in 1989 through 97.
In 89 there is a early 2 piece caliper mounting bracket and the mid year change to the 1 piece mounting bracket (which you have).
In 90 the 1 piece bracket received some minor changes to be used on the 10bolt.
Good info, I have never seen that type bracket used on the 9 bolt, its got be ultra rare like the drum brake 9 bolt
Old 01-01-2016, 08:40 AM
  #8  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (8)
 
TTOP350's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Location: Il
Posts: 11,685
Received 745 Likes on 505 Posts
Car: 1989-92 FORMULA350 305 92 Hawkclone
Engine: 4++,350 & 305 CIs
Transmission: 700R4 4800 vig 18th700R4 t56 ZF6 T5
Axle/Gears: 3.70 9"ford alum chunk,dana44,9bolt
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Very very low mile 1st design 89 PBR caliper 2 piece mounting brackets with original plating
Old 01-02-2016, 06:43 AM
  #9  
Moderator

iTrader: (5)
 
JamesC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Lawrence, KS
Posts: 19,282
Received 93 Likes on 68 Posts
Car: Met. Silver 85 IROC/Sold
Engine: 350 HO Deluxe (350ci/330hp)
Transmission: T-5 (Non-WC)
Axle/Gears: Limited Slip 3.23's
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Originally Posted by scuzz
I have learned that these are called "performance option" from parts store I trade at. They must be different from 1le. I really don't know. Maybe someone can explain difference.
The performance package is the 1LE. Perhaps you can use info/pics from my build:

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/faq-...iscs-89-a.html

JamesC
Old 01-04-2016, 11:49 AM
  #10  
Senior Member

Thread Starter
 
scuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Beautiful Tunnel Hill Georgia
Posts: 615
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 67 Firebird Convertible
Engine: LB9
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.55
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Can anyone give me a good part number for pads for the rear?
The 413 pads my parts guy swears is correct don't seem to want to fit right.
Once I get them in caliper, the caliper doesn't want to go back in mounting bracket.
Any help would be great.
Thanks,
Ron
Old 01-04-2016, 12:38 PM
  #11  
Moderator

iTrader: (5)
 
JamesC's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 1999
Location: Lawrence, KS
Posts: 19,282
Received 93 Likes on 68 Posts
Car: Met. Silver 85 IROC/Sold
Engine: 350 HO Deluxe (350ci/330hp)
Transmission: T-5 (Non-WC)
Axle/Gears: Limited Slip 3.23's
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/brak...gone-awry.html

JamesC
Old 01-04-2016, 03:26 PM
  #12  
Senior Member

Thread Starter
 
scuzz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Beautiful Tunnel Hill Georgia
Posts: 615
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 67 Firebird Convertible
Engine: LB9
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.55
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

I figured out what problem was and going to solve tomorrow. Too cold at shop to hang around all day.
North Georgia in thirties and wind blowing like crazy.
The pads needed a little massaging on the ends.
When I put the caliper and pads down on carriage, it would not go all the way, but what I figured out after posting was that the pads are too tight in the carriage.
I can force them in the carriage and the caliper will swing over them, so I will take a little off the ends tomorrow and the 413 pads will work.
I really appreciate all the knowledge shared here on this forum.
I have been hanging out here for about 12-13 years, and have been member almost 10 years.
No better place for info and advice anywhere.
Thanks,
Ron
Old 01-18-2016, 09:05 PM
  #13  
Junior Member
 
monte87cortez's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Dallas Tx
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Car: 1989 Camaro Iroc-Z
Transmission: T5
Axle/Gears: Bw 9bolt 3.42
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Originally Posted by TTOP350
Very very low mile 1st design 89 PBR caliper 2 piece mounting brackets with original plating
I need these brackets for my 89 were can I find some for sale?
Old 01-19-2016, 05:43 AM
  #14  
Supreme Member

iTrader: (14)
 
greezemonkey's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: The "D"
Posts: 1,761
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts
Car: A Portly 85 Z28
Engine: 4.530 X 4.250 BBC
Transmission: under rated for this application
Axle/Gears: also under rated
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Originally Posted by monte87cortez
I need these brackets for my 89 were can I find some for sale?
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/engi...t-pbr-1le.html
Old 02-06-2016, 09:53 PM
  #15  
Member
 
Goodolboy0404's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2015
Location: Laurel, Delaware
Posts: 120
Received 16 Likes on 11 Posts
Car: 1987 Camaro IROC-Z w/ T-Tops
Engine: 305
Transmission: Automatic
Axle/Gears: Factory 9 bolt w/ 2.77 ratio
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Originally Posted by BBU.COM
Your picture is showing the LEFT bracket, and the caliper mount ears go toward the rear of the car (caliper trailing) Now, normally I wouldn't reply to a message so many members here could easily answer but I noticed you said "newly rebuilt 9 bolt" That bracket you have there "looks" like the 10 bolt, it wont work on a 9 bolt if so, so I`m trying to save you the trouble of pressing on a bearing to find out the brackets pattern is off. Go ahead and put it to the 9 bolt flange and see if it lines up, I don`t believe it will but I could be wrong, the 9 bolt brackets have a dust shield normally with a different profile. I happen to have a few sets of those 9 bolt brackets if you need, just let me know.
Do you have any more 9 bolt brackets?
Old 02-07-2016, 06:59 AM
  #16  
Member

 
BBU.COM's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 211
Received 73 Likes on 36 Posts
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

Sent you a PM......., have a few sets of those if you need, I`ll see If I can find the short caliper bolts that go with them as well.
Old 09-04-2019, 02:44 AM
  #17  
Member

 
ikeepitreelz's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: NYC
Posts: 149
Likes: 0
Received 1 Like on 1 Post
Car: 1988 gta-
Engine: 383 tpi
Transmission: 700 r-4
Re: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket

hi, any luck you have these brackets. i have an 88 with a BW and want to install the PBR's. thanks i know this is an old thread but you never know.
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
Twin_Turbo
Brakes
6
08-23-2011 02:12 PM
ibmtech
Engine/Drivetrain/Suspension Wanted
4
04-06-2009 02:11 PM
ibmtech
Brakes
5
03-30-2009 03:21 PM
Z28HO
Brakes
12
07-05-2006 05:34 PM


Thread Tools
Search this Thread
Quick Reply: Help with with mounting PBR caliper bracket



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:31 AM.