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Old 01-26-2013, 09:30 PM   #251
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After a long hiatus I'm going to start working with the PA6E code again, I found the WOT problem but I haven't been sucessful finding a good work around yet. Will update when solved.
Any chance you'll be making the DIS kits again?
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Re: V6 owners, take a look

If I do it will be a very small run, finding ecm's has been a problem. Online sites want too much and I haven't found one in a junkyard in awhile. I'll notify you guys if I do.
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Alright, with RBob's help power enrich is working properly. Little bit of cleanup and I'll repost the corrected version of PA6E same place as before.
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All finished, same post as before and everything looks to be running properly once again. If anyone finds some bugs down the road please PM me. Enjoy!
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Thought I'd share a bit of excitement, a functioning anti-lag program! I still need to work out some bugs but it's made my car much more entertaining! It should really be called launch assist because it's not active above 3mph but who cares.

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Thought I'd share a bit of excitement, a functioning anti-lag program! I still need to work out some bugs but it's made my car much more entertaining! It should really be called launch assist because it's not active above 3mph but who cares.

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any chance u could make that work with 59$, i know of atleast 2 members that could use that system, and m sure that everyone with 59 would love it
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any chance u could make that work with 59$, i know of atleast 2 members that could use that system, and m sure that everyone with 59 would love it
It was actually suprisingly easy, all I did was add a subroutine to disable some things. If someone's looking to implement it into 59 here's what I did.

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        * Lk Up Main Sp Tbl & Ck Launch Assist
        *
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CE6C: LCE6C  LDX     #$C02D    ; INDEX MAIN SPK TBL
CE6F:            LDAB    L0064   ; LD VAL
CE71:            CMPB    #208                ; 208 LD VAL MAX FOR LK UP
CE73:            BLS     LCE77               ; BR IF Lower
CE75:            LDAB    #208   ; FORCE 208 LD VAL
CE77: LCE77  LDAA    L0059               ; RPM
CE79:            JSR     LF3B5               ; 3d Lk Up Routine 
CE7C:            LDAB  L0066    ; MPH
CE7E:            CMPB  LC574   ; Cmp to Max MPH for Launch Spark Retard
CE81:            BHI  LCE9A   ; Branch if Higher
CE83:            LDAB  L0064   ; LD VAL
CE85:            CMPB  LC575   ; Cmp to Min LD Val for Launch Spark Retard
CE88:            BLO  LCE9A   ; Branch if Lower
CE8A:            LDAB  L0059   ; RPM
CE8C:            CMPB  LC576   ; Compare to RPM for Launch Spark Retard
CE8F:            BLO  LCE9A   ; Branch if Lower
CE91:            SUBA  LC577   ; Subtract Launch Spark Retard
CE94:            BCC     LCE97   ; Bra if no underflow
      ; ... else
CE96:            CLRA    ; Clr underflow
CE97: LCE97  JSR  LD722   ; Jump to Disable EST
CE9A: LCE9A  CLRB
                                                             
CE9B:            STAA    L0454              ; SAVE HU SPK VAL
CE9E:            PSHA                    ; SAVE SPK VAL TO STX
 

      ;
        ; Disable EST
        ;
D722:            CMPB  LC500   ; Compare to RPM for Disable EST
D725:            BLO  LD74A   ; Branch if Lower
D727:            CLRA
D728:            CLRB
D729:            STD     L3FDC              ; SPK Dwell period cnt'r
D72C:            JSR     LF4EE              ; SHORT DELAY
                                                             
D72F:            STD     L3FE6   ; SPK Dwell Cnt'r 
D732:            JSR     LF4EE             ; SHORT DELAY
                                                             
D735:            STD     L3FE8               ; CURRENT EST FALL-LAST EST FALL
D738:            JSR     LF4EE             ; SHORT DELAY
                                                             
D73B:            STD     L3FF6               ; EST FALL CNT'R
D73E:            JSR     LF4EE             ; SHORT DELAY
                                                             
D741:            LDX     L3FEC              ; B Cnt'r last ref
D744:            JSR     LF4EE             ; SHORT DELAY
                                                             
D747:            STX     L3FE4              ; B Cnt'r Bgn nxt Dwell
D74A:   RTS
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awesome!!
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This is interesting.

Id like to implement this as it would be legal to use this in my class since its not a external starting line enhancer.

Although Ive never hacked a file before.

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This is interesting.

Id like to implement this as it would be legal to use this in my class since its not a external starting line enhancer.

Although Ive never hacked a file before.
Have at it. If you need a list of Motorola commands or help getting started pm me.
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http://home.earthlink.net/~tdickens/...tructions.html

like this?

is the (*) used to tell the assembler to ignore everything around it?

How did you add the patch, just wrote it and put an address on it?

which qualifiers did you use?

preferred assembler?
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Yes that's what I'm talking about. See my PM.
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Re: V6 owners, take a look

Hi fellas,

Pretty sure that this spark cut thing would put my car well into the 10's. Do you have an updated Code59 xdf file with the parameters added, and maybe some help on applying the patch...

I would definitely use this if it was made a little more "user friendly" as I have no clue what you guys are talking about. lol
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When I have time I'm going to do a tutorial on how to do hacks via tunerpro. I don't know code59 so it's up to you guys to figure out where to stick the code in.
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Anyone have these bins?

The "2.8 v6 \'165ecm (F)" and "Stock 2.8 \165ecm (F)"

Couldn't locate it on moates.net
I looked under moates files, custom modified bins.
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I'll see if I have a copy on my old computer.
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Alright, inbetween replacing my crank I uploaded a mildly tuned $32B file on post #3 for everyone looking for a replacement for the 'F' or 'L' bins. I will upload definitions once I track down copies. If anyone finds a problem with it shoot me a PM and I'll see what I can do.
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What do you mean by mildly tuned?

Thanks for the file...seriously...lol I bought an ECM and memcal and I'm like what can I do with it without a bin!

Anyway, is the knock code turned off? as well as the MAF set-up and that power steering stall issue you had resolved with this bin?

Burn it and just rewire my ECM to the schematics on post 2?

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No knock, no ps issues and set up for decent mileage. Enjoy.
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Ill have that bin file chip to you tomorrow in the mail. Heres the link for the aldl cable its a 12 pin usb cable. I don't wana mess with BL85c's bin till I know what your cars going to want with it. So datalogging is a must.



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The ECM swap worked thanks bl85c, although I had to move B6 back to B6 instead of B12. The New wire part of the chart should be updated and more specific. In my opinion, you should say something like: cut one of the disconnected wires, and place this cut wire with the terminal in D10 and splice it with A12 while leaving A12 connected to it's original wire and its terminal location on the connector. Just makes it alot clearer, I think.

The car so far seems a bit sluggish when accelerating (although, I didn't do any relearn procedures or really drive it...I will tomorrow), and it has a hesitation when taking off from a stop. What causes this in the bin? and why did I have to move B6 back?

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What bin did you use?
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I believe he got it up and running correctly last night. I just burned him the bin that you sent. I didn't modify it.
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I used the bin you provided. It dips in the RPMs when you tap the gas and then it will go up soon after. Only from a stop or while in park. It is a bit sluggish compared to the 302, while accelerating as well. Also when above 35ish and going between 35-40 it knocks guess the deceleration or TCC? I think in the bin you provided it is set to 37 MPH. I just want to establish what is and isn't normal.

For example, my tach says 1200 RPM in park warm (I know inaccurate) and then when I hit the gas it will goto 800-1000 for a second then go up in RPMs like it should.

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I think your problem is maf related. Not sure why you need it on B6, B6 is what the '302 ecm uses, the '165 uses B12 for MAF.
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I think your problem is maf related. Not sure why you need it on B6, B6 is what the '302 ecm uses, the '165 uses B12 for MAF.
Could it be because the flag "Analog MAF In Use" isn't checked or "Set," in the bin?

I tried B12 and got code 34.

I have a new AC Delco 213-167 MAF sensor hooked up to my car with no codes on B6 and on my 302 ECM and with code 34 (low freq) on B12 on the 165 ECM.

According to the GM manual, the V6 MAF should get 2.5 volts running and key on, and the V8 MAF should be 2.5 volts key on and .4-1 volts engine running. Hmm, which is why the MAF is getting a low reading on B12 I think? Both the 302' and 165' B6 is 2.5 key on and 2.5 engine running, which would explain why my MAF works fine on B6.

So why does it work on your set-up? You must have a different type of MAF or something...I don't know. It still doesn't explain the dip in RPMs or hessitation when the gas pedal is first pressed.

I tested it some more, if I very lightly touch the gas and hold it...very very lightly...it will burble the idle...if I press it just a tad more it will act normal and raise like it should. Hmm...I don't think it's MAF related. This only happens just off idle and causes my car to slightly hesitate from a stop, then it will act normal as I accelerate.

It seems to be hard to get past 55 sometimes as well while other times it cruises to 70...uhhh this thing is poop. I think the TCC and Dec settings need to be tweaked? I am not sure.

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If you are using the stock v6 MAF then it's digital and that flag shouldn't be checked. The '165 ECM reads MAF info from B12, the MAF needs to be on B12. Even if you can see a g/sec value in your data logs it doesn't necessarily mean it's reading the MAF, when there's a MAF problem it will revert back to another table and that's what you see in the g/sec field. Not sure why you don't have an error flag for the MAF but everything's pointing to MAF problem. Back probe your MAF connector and see what's going on, then put it on B12 and do the same if it will run. I will look through the bin file I posted some more but this is basically the same file that's been on Moates' website for years with minor changes... fasteddi or whoever is doing the burning, out of curiosity can you tell me what happens if you disable err 34 in the bin and try to run it?

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If you are using the stock v6 MAF then it's digital and that flag shouldn't be checked. The '165 ECM reads MAF info from B12, the MAF needs to be on B12. Even if you can see a g/sec value in your data logs it doesn't necessarily mean it's reading the MAF, when there's a MAF problem it will revert back to another table and that's what you see in the g/sec field. Not sure why you don't have an error flag for the MAF but everything's pointing to MAF problem. Back probe your MAF connector and see what's going on, then put it on B12 and do the same if it will run. I will look through the bin file I posted some more but this is basically the same file that's been on Moates' website for years with minor changes... fasteddi or whoever is doing the burning, out of curiosity can you tell me what happens if you disable err 34 in the bin and try to run it?
I just ran my 302' ECM and it runs like a dream...with my stock v6 MAF. I drove the 165' ECM 70 miles one trip, it was shuttering when accelerating, it had power loss up hills, the TCC felt weird, and just sucked...even used more fuel. I had to repin and swap ECMs to get home..lol I don't know. I had it repinned correctly except for B6 --> B12. It just doesn't work on B12. It throws Code 34.

Also the 165' doesn't support the v6 A/C system? The clutch control wire is disconnected where do I connect it?

I bought a burner online and the cable nec. to datalog, I am hoping to get it this week...then I can hopefully do this with any edits to the bin.

I don't know why the MAF would not work on the 165 but on the 302 just fine. Could the memcal have to do with it? I am using the G1 adapter from moates.

I'll try it again soon, I think I checked that bin and I didn't see code 34 error anywhere in the flags, tables, or scalars....hmm

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There is no code (34) in the 32b Bin flags, so its not there to check.

Analog maf in use is NOT checked in the flags.

MAF high diog. (33) IS checked in the flags.

MAF burnoff diog. is NOT check (36)

Vats is NOT checked (46)

Knock sensor diog. is NOT checked (43)

EGR diog. IS checked (32)

Vehic. Speed diog. IS checked (24)
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No A/C control with the '165 ecm unfortunately, just tape the connector up. Here's a hack of $32B, you can add the err 34 flag if it's not in your definition file. When you get your cable post a datalog. I don't see the adapter being a problem and I'm certain the digital MAF works w/ the '165, I had it on my car a year with $32B but something's not jiving here. If anyone has an original "F or L" bin post it up for comparison please.
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with a 7165, assuming the mask allows, can use either low frequency digital or analog variable voltage, just have to use the correct pin.
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That's what I was just looking at actually, I went back through old threads looking for info on the MAF pin. Chris you're right it belongs on B6 with the digital MAF , so that leaves calibration as the problem. Will go through the bin again and update the repin guide.
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Could the memcal have to do with it? I am using the G1 adapter from moates.
Yes, it needs to be set up for a six cylinder engine. It sets the injector firing rate.

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He should be using a memcal out of a 1227730/1227727 ecm with a 3100/3400. How does the G1 interfere?
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He should be using a memcal out of a 1227730/1227727 ecm with a 3100/3400. How does the G1 interfere?
The G1 doesn't interfere with the MEMCAL. Chris asked if the MEMCAL can cause issues, and it will if it isn't set up for a 6-cylinder. The fueling will be way off.

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The G1 doesn't interfere with the MEMCAL. Chris asked if the MEMCAL can cause issues, and it will if it isn't set up for a 6-cylinder. The fueling will be way off.

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I bought the memcal from eBay, it came out of a 2.8 AUTO 1227730. The bin is set-up for V6. Slow painful process. -_-

I just got my burner, and I am waiting for my data cable. I just hook it up to pin M and A? and connect a 10K resistor from A to B?
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I bought the memcal from eBay, it came out of a 2.8 AUTO 1227730. The bin is set-up for V6. Slow painful process. -_-

I just got my burner, and I am waiting for my data cable. I just hook it up to pin M and A? and connect a 10K resistor from A to B?
That MEMCAL should be OK, it should also have a white knock filter board on it. If not then it is likely from a 4-cyl TBI engine, which will over fuel.

If the ALDL connector has a pin in M, then yes, M is data (else E), and A is ground.

The 10K is only required to get 8192 data flowing, it should then be removed.

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That MEMCAL should be OK, it should also have a white knock filter board on it. If not then it is likely from a 4-cyl TBI engine, which will over fuel.

If the ALDL connector has a pin in M, then yes, M is data (else E), and A is ground.

The 10K is only required to get 8192 data flowing, it should then be removed.

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The white knock board is present on the memcal I have.

It has to be something in the bin because my 302' works great for being an aftermarket piece of garbage.

I still can't believe no one has these bins...can't count on external sites to host our precious bin files! lol

Also bl85c, do I need to add a Scalar for the flag? Which hex address should I use? output type? and significant digits? what should the gm/sec be for "too low"

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I still can't believe no one has these bins...can't count on external sites to host our precious bin files! lol
I'm not sure which BIN you have been looking for. I may be wrong, but I don't believe that GM used the '7165 ECM on any 6-cylinder engines.

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Rbob here'd be the BIN and XDF files I was told to use.
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I'm not sure which BIN you have been looking for. I may be wrong, but I don't believe that GM used the '7165 ECM on any 6-cylinder engines.

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It's a bin bl85c made or revised for the V6.

Got my burner and datalogger, need 10k Resistor and ill try it out.

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Rbob here'd be the BIN and XDF files I was told to use.
Eddi...I think I found the problem, I will confirm it later. You used the wrong 32B XDF file so the MAF tables are wrong, and other stuff. I have the V6 XDF file needed for the bin bl85c provided. :P I bought a burner, didn't think I was going to go all out...lol Only question I have is do I try it on B12 or stay on B6?

I'll try it later and report back. Thanks for the help everyone...I will see what happens and give an update.

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bl85c attach this to your post as well, hopefully we can keep these files around.

Sorry about the multiple post! If a mod can combine them that's fine.
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Don't worry about adding the err 34 flag unless you want to, it's not needed now. Leave it on B6 that's the pin for digital input. I still haven't found anything in the calibration that should cause this unless the MAF tables are plain wrong for your induction setup and need tweaking... does your MAF still have the screen?

Maybe it's not going into closed loop because of a bad temp sensor or something... I'm just waiting on a datalog at this point. When you record it make sure you record from first start (cold) till normal temp.
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Don't worry about adding the err 34 flag unless you want to, it's not needed now. Leave it on B6 that's the pin for digital input. I still haven't found anything in the calibration that should cause this unless the MAF tables are plain wrong for your induction setup and need tweaking... does your MAF still have the screen?

Maybe it's not going into closed loop because of a bad temp sensor or something... I'm just waiting on a datalog at this point. When you record it make sure you record from first start (cold) till normal temp.
bl85c, I think it isn't working right because the bin was burned with the wrong XDF File. I must of sent fasteddi the wrong file. I am going to burn the bin with the V6 32B XDF.

I think that will clear things up.

Next thing I would like to try to figure out after this is:If there is a way to run my A/C system, I think I could make the compressor clutch run all the time when the A/C is on maybe?
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Don't quote me on this but it should still run with dash switch. The ECM just interrupts the clutch at certain times like WOT or overheating.

BTW I'm still searching for a copy of the $32B ADS file with wideband input for datalogging so I can include it with the other $32B v6 stuff.
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Don't quote me on this but it should still run with dash switch. The ECM just interrupts the clutch at certain times like WOT or overheating.

BTW I'm still searching for a copy of the $32B ADS file with wideband input for datalogging so I can include it with the other $32B v6 stuff.
I think I tried it and it didn't work.

"After a time delay of about 1 1/2 second the ECM will ground terminal "A2," CKT 905, and close the A/C relay contacts."

Is this saying, all I need to do is ground the wire "A2"?

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I think I tried it and it didn't work.

"After a time delay of about 1 1/2 second the ECM will ground terminal "A2," CKT 905, and close the A/C relay contacts."

Is this saying, all I need to do is ground the wire "A2"?
Try it and see. It may lock the clutch even when the engine's not running, if so the community can come up with a workaround.
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The car still hesitates from a stop and jerks while driving randomly with the fresh bin burn I just did.

uhhhh, is there anyway to modify the bin so it is near stock to the 302? So I can at least have my car as a daily driver without swapping pins back and fourth because I have the G1 ZIF...until I can datalog it...which btw what program should I use?

D3 on 165 ECM is suppose to be grounded but the repin guide doesn't mention it.
Also B7 is the ESC Signal is that not used from the 2.8?

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Use tunerpro RT its a free download from tunerpro.net. Donations are welcome but not definite.
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