92 RS 454 swap
04-08-2010, 01:49 PM
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
Ok sorry I haven't posted in a while.... Its been hectic at work lately.
I got my T5 Installed two weeks ago and as suspected the stock hydraulic lines and slave cylinder WILL NOT fit with the hooker big block swap headers I have. So I got a hydraulic throw out bearing and some -4 AN hose and I'm gonna try again this friday/saturday.
I also got my BMR tubular K member and tubular A arms so I will be documenting the conversion of the front suspension. My buddy has a decent camera so the pics hopefully won't be nearly as bad as the last few I posted.
Upon consulting the old auto sage I have also decided to swap to an autogear M22W muncie four speed and a gear vendors overdrive as this will be an easier/cheaper due to the parts commonality between the t5 and muncie, and the sheer cost of building a t56 to hold behind a turbo'd big block.
I'll post pics as soon as I start on it this weekend.
I got my T5 Installed two weeks ago and as suspected the stock hydraulic lines and slave cylinder WILL NOT fit with the hooker big block swap headers I have. So I got a hydraulic throw out bearing and some -4 AN hose and I'm gonna try again this friday/saturday.
I also got my BMR tubular K member and tubular A arms so I will be documenting the conversion of the front suspension. My buddy has a decent camera so the pics hopefully won't be nearly as bad as the last few I posted.
Upon consulting the old auto sage I have also decided to swap to an autogear M22W muncie four speed and a gear vendors overdrive as this will be an easier/cheaper due to the parts commonality between the t5 and muncie, and the sheer cost of building a t56 to hold behind a turbo'd big block.
I'll post pics as soon as I start on it this weekend.
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
I do believe you iz very confuzzed :-) You can pick up a '95-'97 Z28 T56 for around $1200, go through it yourself, the kit is under $300, and it'll take 1000 rwhp and 1000 rwtq if you don't do clutch drops or power shifts. I've seen it done. The guy is doing it in a 3700# car, on drag radials, running in the 9s. If you start treating it harsh, the output shaft will let go. then you'd need the Viper version. Considering a Gear Vendors alone runs over $2800, you're not taking the cheap route, which you imply that you are.
04-12-2010, 10:46 AM
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
I'm not capable of rebuilding manual transmissions myself, and I want to use the old push type clutch setup and 163 tooth flywheels.
Is there a way to configure a used LS1 T56 to use the old clutch/flywheel setups of a muncie/T10? Right now I'm putting together a 600+ horse NA 496 but later on down the road I'm planning for a 572-598" turbo motor so I want a combination that can hold up to some serious torque.
Is there a way to configure a used LS1 T56 to use the old clutch/flywheel setups of a muncie/T10? Right now I'm putting together a 600+ horse NA 496 but later on down the road I'm planning for a 572-598" turbo motor so I want a combination that can hold up to some serious torque.
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
The M22 won't hold a 572. Neither will any T-10. I know how difficxult hydraulic clutch release is, I've given up on it myself. But better to have to pay a shop to bleed it for me than to not use it. That said, the only car-type manual trans that'll hold a 572 is a built T56. The most extreme versions available come from Rockland Standard Gear. They even make super duper gearsets of their own design. In several choices of ratio sets. Even some closer-ratio than the Viper.
If you go with a new T-10 and a new GV, you're out more than $4200, plus the bellhousing. If you go with a built T56, you can get something better for less money. The best versions may run over $4200, IdK, I haven't researched that, becaust past 1000 rwhp / rwtq, I'm not interested. I do streetable builds for my customers.
If you go with a new T-10 and a new GV, you're out more than $4200, plus the bellhousing. If you go with a built T56, you can get something better for less money. The best versions may run over $4200, IdK, I haven't researched that, becaust past 1000 rwhp / rwtq, I'm not interested. I do streetable builds for my customers.
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
I'm not capable of rebuilding manual transmissions myself, and I want to use the old push type clutch setup and 163 tooth flywheels.
Is there a way to configure a used LS1 T56 to use the old clutch/flywheel setups of a muncie/T10? Right now I'm putting together a 600+ horse NA 496 but later on down the road I'm planning for a 572-598" turbo motor so I want a combination that can hold up to some serious torque.
Is there a way to configure a used LS1 T56 to use the old clutch/flywheel setups of a muncie/T10? Right now I'm putting together a 600+ horse NA 496 but later on down the road I'm planning for a 572-598" turbo motor so I want a combination that can hold up to some serious torque.
https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/tran...swap-have.html
04-13-2010, 09:23 PM
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
Sorry for the poor quality. Heres the pics of the BMR Tubular K member/ A arms I installed Saturday. The motor mounts were pretty tricky. Had to loosen all the mount bolts to get the passenger side bolt in.
04-13-2010, 09:26 PM
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more pics....
04-13-2010, 09:28 PM
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The last pic is the Howe hydraulic throw out bearing for the T5. Just got the hose today. Gonna try to get the trans in/serviced/bled this Saturday.
04-13-2010, 11:24 PM
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MMMAANNN I'm wishing I could be there!!
It looks like the center link & oil pan are close. Is there enough room with the suspension loaded or will the pan need a lil BFH persuasion? ( Maybe just the angle of the photos. )
Good job, and Thank You for posting the progress!!
It looks like the center link & oil pan are close. Is there enough room with the suspension loaded or will the pan need a lil BFH persuasion? ( Maybe just the angle of the photos. )
Good job, and Thank You for posting the progress!!
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
I still don't understand why you're set on killing a perfectly good T5. It cannot live behind any 454.
04-14-2010, 09:29 AM
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MMMAANNN I'm wishing I could be there!!
It looks like the center link & oil pan are close. Is there enough room with the suspension loaded or will the pan need a lil BFH persuasion? ( Maybe just the angle of the photos. )
Good job, and Thank You for posting the progress!!
It looks like the center link & oil pan are close. Is there enough room with the suspension loaded or will the pan need a lil BFH persuasion? ( Maybe just the angle of the photos. )
Good job, and Thank You for posting the progress!!
I'm trying to get some more fittings together so I can move the bleeder for the throwout bearing outside of the bellhousing.
04-14-2010, 04:36 PM
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
Well I got ahold of the guys at rockland standard gear and it looks like the tranzilla T56 will cost me 5450 bucks if i supply the trans for rebuild.
Its pretty salty, but thats what it looks like is gonna happen. I'll try to score a shrapnel'd ls1 t56 and use the adaptor plate so that I can retain old school flywheels/bellhousings/clutches/and hydraulics.
The only thing that I forsee getting me is the trans mount. After diggin around a lot of sites and reading on the myriad of possible t56 configurations it looks like the bellhousing to tailhousing length will be 1 inch longer than normal. I've been using a BMR relocated torque arm all this time so I want to retain that if at all possible.
The rest of my fittings for the external throwout bearing bleeder will be here tomorrow so friday and saturday will hopefully get it done. Looking forward to pushing the gears out the side of this T5.
Its pretty salty, but thats what it looks like is gonna happen. I'll try to score a shrapnel'd ls1 t56 and use the adaptor plate so that I can retain old school flywheels/bellhousings/clutches/and hydraulics.
The only thing that I forsee getting me is the trans mount. After diggin around a lot of sites and reading on the myriad of possible t56 configurations it looks like the bellhousing to tailhousing length will be 1 inch longer than normal. I've been using a BMR relocated torque arm all this time so I want to retain that if at all possible.
The rest of my fittings for the external throwout bearing bleeder will be here tomorrow so friday and saturday will hopefully get it done. Looking forward to pushing the gears out the side of this T5.
04-15-2010, 07:51 PM
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Ive got a random questions related to the 454 swap. I just dropped in a 454 a couple hours ago and it fit nice and snug (minus the hood, im going to need a 4.5inch cowl lol) however when I was running through the checklist of clearance issues I noticed that the 3 inch radius butt-weld fitting I planned on using to make my headers wouldnt clear my steering column shaft (sorry, I dont know the name of the part), the thing that has two bolts that can be removed from the rest of the shaft to give clearance for other things. Its basically a giant knuckle. I was wondering if anyone knows if there is a way to move this thing or maybe one that is smaller in diameter. I can get a smaller radius butt-weld fitting but right now I only have 2.3 inches of clearance for the fitting, the 2 inch radius would require 3 inches.
Im sorry for the babling, it took me a while to put the engine in by myself >.<
Im sorry for the babling, it took me a while to put the engine in by myself >.<
04-16-2010, 12:31 PM
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I'm not sure what a butt weld fitting is but I know someone makes an aircraft grade steering shaft that is SUPER small. It basically looks just like a torque tube. It was barely larger than the splines on the steering gearbox. I can't remember who makes it.
04-16-2010, 12:49 PM
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http://www.jegs.com/i/Unisteer/668/8050300/10002/-1
sort of like that? Ive only taken that u-joint thing apart once so I dont know if that would work right but I think thats what I should try. It looks WAY smaller than the one thats on there now.
sort of like that? Ive only taken that u-joint thing apart once so I dont know if that would work right but I think thats what I should try. It looks WAY smaller than the one thats on there now.
04-16-2010, 12:52 PM
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The stock ones have a rubber pad like the late model gto driveshafts for vibration reduction. Makes em huge. I gotta get off my *** and put a new steering shaft on mine too. I'll probably do It when I replace the sway bay/endlinks/gearbox/pump/steering linkage. But that won't be for a while.
04-16-2010, 01:01 PM
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http://www.jegs.com/i/Unisteer/668/8050300/10002/-1
sort of like that? Ive only taken that u-joint thing apart once so I dont know if that would work right but I think thats what I should try. It looks WAY smaller than the one thats on there now.
sort of like that? Ive only taken that u-joint thing apart once so I dont know if that would work right but I think thats what I should try. It looks WAY smaller than the one thats on there now.
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Got some work done saturday. Got the car put completely put back together. After it was all said and done I hadn't gotten all of the air out of the clutch lines 
so I couldn't drive it.
In case anyone wants to know the BMR K member puts the engine about two inches forward and one inch down. Clearance between the power steering pump pulley and steering gearbox became very tight. I had to grind down the head of the right aft gearbox top bolt. I also had to make my shifter hole longer in the front. On the upside if you want to use an HEI distributor this thing makes for a ton of firewall clearance. You can get at the bellhousing bolts from the top now, and the hooker supercomps have alot more clearance to the a arms, frame, floorboards, steering shaft, and firewall. The downside is since the engine is lower you loose ground clearance to the collector.
so I couldn't drive it. In case anyone wants to know the BMR K member puts the engine about two inches forward and one inch down. Clearance between the power steering pump pulley and steering gearbox became very tight. I had to grind down the head of the right aft gearbox top bolt. I also had to make my shifter hole longer in the front. On the upside if you want to use an HEI distributor this thing makes for a ton of firewall clearance. You can get at the bellhousing bolts from the top now, and the hooker supercomps have alot more clearance to the a arms, frame, floorboards, steering shaft, and firewall. The downside is since the engine is lower you loose ground clearance to the collector.
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How much ground clearnace did you lose? That was my choice in k-members since I had everything out right now.
04-27-2010, 11:59 AM
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The BMR K member puts the engine about 1 1/2 inches forward and an inch down.
06-21-2010, 11:47 PM
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The madness is continuing over here https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/dfi-...efi-454-a.html
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well where did you get the flywheel to fit uder that stock t5 bell housing? is it aftermarket 153 tooth? or is that i different bell housing?
EDIT - damn, hit the edit button instead of quote button. Returned to how it was lol. My bad.
EDIT - damn, hit the edit button instead of quote button. Returned to how it was lol. My bad.
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11-08-2010, 08:57 AM
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I used an aluminum 153 tooth internal balance flywheel from summit. It fits under the stock t5 bellhousing since they had 153 tooth wheels stock. I used an external balance plate from speedway motors to make it work. I also used a Howe hydraulic throwout bearing since the stock hydralics wouldn't work with the big block headers.
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Sounds like Devastator's setup should work - just be nice, T5s don't like the kinda torque that the BBC will try to push through it. If you are reasonable when driving it, it should last ok.
11-15-2010, 04:09 PM
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Yeah just so you know don't drive aggressive with the T5 behind a big block. It ran fine for about a year until I took it to my father and we put a roller cam and double roller lifters in it. We discovered that when I replaced the Timing chain it was two teeth off retarding cam timing about 15-20 degrees. He figured with the worn out cam and the timing off It couldnt have made more than 250 hp.
The new setup makes around 400 hp and 500 ft lbs of torque. While I was on leave testing it out I did 2 burnouts and drove it hard 3 times. Now third and fourth gear whine, along with my 7.5 inch rear end. I'm working on a T56 now.
Moral = T5 is not a long term tranny behind a 454 driven hard.
The new setup makes around 400 hp and 500 ft lbs of torque. While I was on leave testing it out I did 2 burnouts and drove it hard 3 times. Now third and fourth gear whine, along with my 7.5 inch rear end. I'm working on a T56 now.
Moral = T5 is not a long term tranny behind a 454 driven hard.
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You think using BBC motor mounts will offset the lowered height by the BMR K-member?
Im still debating if I should get the whole K-member or just the A-arms. Im trying to avoid having to notch the A-arm again.I had to the same thing you did the last time I converted to a BBC.
Im still debating if I should get the whole K-member or just the A-arms. Im trying to avoid having to notch the A-arm again.I had to the same thing you did the last time I converted to a BBC.
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I don't think it made much difference when I first did the swap but I'm not sure. Can't remember.
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Hey guys newbie here. But I've been reading these posts cause my little eagle crank in my stroker couldnt handle my lead foot. And now I have just purchased a 461 to drop in my 85 Z28. Alot of these posts I've seen are for full blown race cars it seems to me. Are the applications the same for us street guys too? I'm only looking for bout 500ponies at the most. I know you guys have to consider traction issues and other things but I'd like to just swap mine out and keep all the kool stuff like power brakes and the wipers. BTW like the posts keep them coming
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one last starter did you use with the t5 setup?
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Hey guys newbie here. But I've been reading these posts cause my little eagle crank in my stroker couldnt handle my lead foot. And now I have just purchased a 461 to drop in my 85 Z28. Alot of these posts I've seen are for full blown race cars it seems to me. Are the applications the same for us street guys too? I'm only looking for bout 500ponies at the most. I know you guys have to consider traction issues and other things but I'd like to just swap mine out and keep all the kool stuff like power brakes and the wipers. BTW like the posts keep them coming
Another reason i abandon my BBC swap, the LS goes in better and header selection, as small as it is, is pretty big compared to the BBC selection, not to mention, over 500 HP from a junk yard engine.
One day, i might try again with a BBC, but it will se little street duty...but i think i am going to be addicted to the whole turbo LS thing.
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Can anyone supply me with part numbers for the upper and lower radiator hoses that will fit with my swap? 1983 Camaro 427BBC 3 row Champion aluminum radiator. I know that the water pump outlet is 2" and the radiator inlet is 1 1/2" Any help will be appreciated.
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Can't help you there. I measured my outlet diameter and traced the route with a clothes hanger. I just went in the back of the parts house and dug through their hoses until I found one that worked. Sorry I can't nail one down for you.
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Thanks for the reply. I am down to the little time consuming stuff now. These radiator hoses are driving me nuts. Can't wait to finish up and fire up that BIG BLOCK!
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Yeah I just recently started getting back on ThirdGen. I suffered three catastrophic car failures in a month back in January. Had to pull off the road on a canyon run for a fire truck and smacked the oil pan on my camaro. Two weeks later while I was driving to work and my oil pump pickup fell out and siezed the 454 
. I didn't wanna think about it. But I'm over it now and I'm gonna get the block worked over, drop in a 496 rotating assembly, and toss a procharger on there.
How ya'll been?
. I didn't wanna think about it. But I'm over it now and I'm gonna get the block worked over, drop in a 496 rotating assembly, and toss a procharger on there.How ya'll been?
04-12-2012, 03:40 PM
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
I have found a lower radiator hose that works very well for a Big Block swap into a third gen. Dayco part #70295 fits pretty well with only needing to be shortened about an 1 1/2 on the radiator end.
04-13-2012, 07:01 AM
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I can't seem to figure out how to upload a picture. If you can tell me how to load the picture I will get it done right away or provide an email address and I will send it to you.
04-28-2012, 11:01 PM
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Open an account On photobucket.com and upload the photos using the image codes.
05-31-2012, 09:38 PM
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
Quick question. The big block I got was out of a 90 chev pick up. Would that make It a tall deck block? Also How do I tell If it is a tall deck block or not? Mine says High Perf on the side too, just curious what that means If anything.
05-31-2012, 10:44 PM
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
Pickup engines are NOT tall-deck. Unless it got swapped. Check by noting how close the head gaskets are to the top of the water pump. Tall-deck will be 3/8" to 7/16". Hi-Perf means it shouldn't be a tall-deck, and nothing helpful beyond that. Same limitations as any other regular-production 454 block. You'll want the "Chevelle" oil pan, like my SUM-3510x ( good for 496 strokers ) and matching screen. for the oil pump. The pickup truck pan can be hammered to install, but will still hang too low. I know, I did it with a '93 from a K2500 Suburban. Pics are here somewhere, if you search back far enough. 4-bolt mains honestly don't matter, 2-bolt is NOT a limiting factor for these blocks. Heads should be the "peanut-port", but even with no porting, they'll support 446 HP @ 4900, and pull 5500, with just RPM AirGap large-oval intake, ( yes, even with the port mis-match ) pistons ( 9.5:1 ) long-tube headers and Comp XE268H10 cam. You can fit a long water pump. You can fit a full-size starter, if you're using a non-T5 bellhousing. For breaking a T5, a mini-starter is cheaper than the Lakewood bellhousing. You should use WS6 / IROC-Z front springs, either Moog 5662 or 5664, your choice. Forget using V6 front springs unless this is going to be dragstrip-only. Those valve covers will fit with A/C, just be careful on installation. Best to remove the wiper motor before installing the 454, then you can re-install the wiper motor last.
06-01-2012, 09:22 AM
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
Great info thanks man. I already did a tial fit to see what I was looking at. Gonna pull it out this week end to "adjust" some things, and relocte fuel lines and such. It is a drag car only but I am looking for some springs as my car sits pretty low in the front. As for my oil pan it fits fine (no hammering to install) It does hang down about a 1 1/2 but I am going to leave it for now. I am using my 700R4 I just have figure out what I am doing about my torque converter to flexplate mounting holes.
Now about the Long/short water pump thing. Will either work with the same balancer? I have enough room for both but have to buy a water pump and pullies so my options are open. Only reason I ask is short water pump stuff seems to have more aftermarket support.
Also what is the deal with the S10 steering box. Ive heard it is swappable but is it a bolt in? Manual steering?
Thanks again
Now about the Long/short water pump thing. Will either work with the same balancer? I have enough room for both but have to buy a water pump and pullies so my options are open. Only reason I ask is short water pump stuff seems to have more aftermarket support.
Also what is the deal with the S10 steering box. Ive heard it is swappable but is it a bolt in? Manual steering?
Thanks again
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10-27-2012, 01:04 PM
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
thats some nice jewlery. Im doing the same thing in my 86 iroc. I have a few ?s if you dont mind. where did you get your torque arm set up at and how much did it set you back. i also dont see a power steering pump. are you going manual, and if so what vehicle did you get the box from
10-29-2012, 02:21 PM
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Torque is stock GM. The rear is a Ford 9" with brackets from Currie. Manual steering box from an S10 pickup. Be sure to get a steering box with 4 bolts on the cover. I currently have a T5 trans but will be going to a T56 when funds allow. That is why I have a stock torque arm.
10-29-2012, 08:20 PM
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I'm running the march serpentine conversion. If I remember right I think it was about 500 bucks for brackets and pulleys from them.
Right now I'm running dorman passenger car exhaust manifolds. I intend to try sanderson,s BB2 camaro headers. I don't want to run any headers that route primaries into my wheel wells so my options are limited. I may have to put them off till I can get the BMR tubular K member and A arms.
Right now I'm running dorman passenger car exhaust manifolds. I intend to try sanderson,s BB2 camaro headers. I don't want to run any headers that route primaries into my wheel wells so my options are limited. I may have to put them off till I can get the BMR tubular K member and A arms.
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Re: 92 RS 454 swap
Thanks.
Here is the list of all the parts I've bought save for the AN line and fittings (probly about $200 bucks) I've splurged on alotta stuff here (anodized stud kits, lots of AN hose/fittings, etc.
total cost so far about 3 grand not counting all the shipping charges.
I'm gonna try those sanderson ceramic headers when I get paid next friday.(http://www.sandersonheaders.com/prod...products_id=32) $475 I'll probly just use a couple 40 series flowmasters routed outside the framerails and turn them out in front of the rear tires.
Next up is a built TH-200R4 trans. From there I'm gonna slowly replace the carburetor (speed demon 750), intake (performer rpm air gap), cam (roller cam with LS firing order), heads (something aluminum yeilding about 10:1 CR), Roller rockers. Then I'm gonna replace all my suspension components with BMR peices and then do a 9 inch conversion. Then I'll probably paint it. But this is a pretty good ways off in the future.
USED 454/TH-425 from a 1978 motorhome w/30k miles $500.00
Permacool oil cooler $200
BMM-30299 TH200 TH700 TH350 CHNGOVER KIT $95.95 (wound up being the wrong bracket)
FPP-1884R OIL PAN GASKET $37.95 (pricey, could be done cheaper)
LOK-ED5003 ENGINE DIPSTICK $51.95 (pricey, could be done cheaper)
MAA-4309 FUEL REGULATOR THREE PORT COMP $84.95 (was a little pricey for a regulator you could get one cheaper)
MSD-8433 DISTRIBUTOR CAP $28.95 (the cap on my MSD pro billet was broke)
PRO-141-251 CHROME TH400 TRANS PAN $8.95 (wound up being the wrong tranny pan. too shallow for the heavy duty motorhome trans I have)
RNB-674-159 EXHAUST MANIFOLD $89.95
RNB-674-161 EXHAUST MANIFOLD $85.95
SUM-G1891 TH400 FILTER KIT $9.95
SUM-G3510X OIL PAN-BBC BARE STEEL $30.95
MRG-P456 45DEG. PUSH ON-6AN $55.80 (the push on an fittings were for the fuel lines and brake booster vaccum line)
MRG-P906 90DEG. PUSH ON-6AN $27.90
MSD-8464 SPRING & BUSHING SET $11.95 (needed this to recurve my MSD PRO BILLET)
ARP-235-1902 12 PT. OIL PAN STUD KIT BBC $67.95 (could have reused the old bolts but i splurged)
LOK-SRK-4000 THROTTLE CABLE BRKT & SPRINGS $23.95
LOK-TC-1000HT THROTTLE CABLE $41.95
MOR-62510 MOTOR MOUNTS CHEV ZINC (PAIR) $23.95 (wound up using the stock mounts. I'll save these for the BMR tubular K member I'll put in later)
BMR-TA002H TORQUE ARM $229.95 (needed this to go with the crossmember for the th400)
CCA-2110 TIMING CHAIN SET BBC $34.50 (My timing chain was falling apart. Could have went cheaper but.....)
SUM-901010 OIL PUMP PRIMER SBC $18.95 (I wanted to prime the oil circuits prior to starting the engine due to lots of down time.)
ARP-200-1411 CHEVY V8 12PT TIMING STUD KIT $20.95 (didnt NEED this either. I just prefer stud kits to bolts)
ARP-200-7617 DART BRODIX & B&B 12PT VALVE $54.95 (lol this was supposed to be a stud kit for the valve covers. too bad THIS one only fits SUPER tall brodix valve covers)
CCA-2110 TIMING CHAIN SET BBC $34.50
HDA-3651 FAN CONTROL $45.95
ATI-925137 COOLER LINE FITTING $27.95 (for the trans)
LCT-37477 BLUE THREADLOCKER 36MI $14.95
LOK-TD-3350400FM TRANS DIPSTICK $80.99
SUM-220887 -08 90 SWIVEL HOSE END $59.80 (for the Oil cooler I installed in front of the radiator)
SUM-G1488B ALUM PLUG KIT 1/2 BLUE 4 PACK 1 $7.95 (for the intake holes/head coolant temp holes)
BMM-80735 CABLE 5FT UNIMATIC REPLACEMENT 1 $25.75 (I've had to buy THREE shifter cables. The exhaust manifold on the passenger side blows right onto the top of the trans and melts them.)
ATI-925137 COOLER LINE FITTING 1 $27.95 (could have reused my stock trans cooler lines but I wanted AN hose for this.)
MCH-20127 ALT BRACKET 1 $101.88 (all this march stuff was unnecessary. Turns out the stock alternator bracket fits. This stuff did allow me to use my original PS pump tho. That and its super shiny!!!)
MCH-20151 POWER STEERING BRACKET BBC 1 $121.95
MCH-7330 PULLEY SET 1 $229.95 (These are the overdrive pulleys for increased water pump and alternator output)
EDL-2101 INTAKE MANIFOLD PERFORMER 2.0 1 $129.95 (I pulled the intake for a rotted gasket. It was so heavy I just figured I'd go ahead and change it for fear of an overly heavy front end.)
SUM-220686B -6 45 DEGREE BLACK HOSE END 4 $55.80
TRD-2109 1" CARB SPCR Q-JET OPEN PLENUM 1 $25.95
BMM-80831 SHIFTER CABLE SUPER DUTY 3 FT 2 $85.50 (gonna start using these shorter heavy duty shift cables)
Here is the list of all the parts I've bought save for the AN line and fittings (probly about $200 bucks) I've splurged on alotta stuff here (anodized stud kits, lots of AN hose/fittings, etc.
total cost so far about 3 grand not counting all the shipping charges.
I'm gonna try those sanderson ceramic headers when I get paid next friday.(http://www.sandersonheaders.com/prod...products_id=32) $475 I'll probly just use a couple 40 series flowmasters routed outside the framerails and turn them out in front of the rear tires.
Next up is a built TH-200R4 trans. From there I'm gonna slowly replace the carburetor (speed demon 750), intake (performer rpm air gap), cam (roller cam with LS firing order), heads (something aluminum yeilding about 10:1 CR), Roller rockers. Then I'm gonna replace all my suspension components with BMR peices and then do a 9 inch conversion. Then I'll probably paint it. But this is a pretty good ways off in the future.
USED 454/TH-425 from a 1978 motorhome w/30k miles $500.00
Permacool oil cooler $200
BMM-30299 TH200 TH700 TH350 CHNGOVER KIT $95.95 (wound up being the wrong bracket)
FPP-1884R OIL PAN GASKET $37.95 (pricey, could be done cheaper)
LOK-ED5003 ENGINE DIPSTICK $51.95 (pricey, could be done cheaper)
MAA-4309 FUEL REGULATOR THREE PORT COMP $84.95 (was a little pricey for a regulator you could get one cheaper)
MSD-8433 DISTRIBUTOR CAP $28.95 (the cap on my MSD pro billet was broke)
PRO-141-251 CHROME TH400 TRANS PAN $8.95 (wound up being the wrong tranny pan. too shallow for the heavy duty motorhome trans I have)
RNB-674-159 EXHAUST MANIFOLD $89.95
RNB-674-161 EXHAUST MANIFOLD $85.95
SUM-G1891 TH400 FILTER KIT $9.95
SUM-G3510X OIL PAN-BBC BARE STEEL $30.95
MRG-P456 45DEG. PUSH ON-6AN $55.80 (the push on an fittings were for the fuel lines and brake booster vaccum line)
MRG-P906 90DEG. PUSH ON-6AN $27.90
MSD-8464 SPRING & BUSHING SET $11.95 (needed this to recurve my MSD PRO BILLET)
ARP-235-1902 12 PT. OIL PAN STUD KIT BBC $67.95 (could have reused the old bolts but i splurged)
LOK-SRK-4000 THROTTLE CABLE BRKT & SPRINGS $23.95
LOK-TC-1000HT THROTTLE CABLE $41.95
MOR-62510 MOTOR MOUNTS CHEV ZINC (PAIR) $23.95 (wound up using the stock mounts. I'll save these for the BMR tubular K member I'll put in later)
BMR-TA002H TORQUE ARM $229.95 (needed this to go with the crossmember for the th400)
CCA-2110 TIMING CHAIN SET BBC $34.50 (My timing chain was falling apart. Could have went cheaper but.....)
SUM-901010 OIL PUMP PRIMER SBC $18.95 (I wanted to prime the oil circuits prior to starting the engine due to lots of down time.)
ARP-200-1411 CHEVY V8 12PT TIMING STUD KIT $20.95 (didnt NEED this either. I just prefer stud kits to bolts)
ARP-200-7617 DART BRODIX & B&B 12PT VALVE $54.95 (lol this was supposed to be a stud kit for the valve covers. too bad THIS one only fits SUPER tall brodix valve covers)
CCA-2110 TIMING CHAIN SET BBC $34.50
HDA-3651 FAN CONTROL $45.95
ATI-925137 COOLER LINE FITTING $27.95 (for the trans)
LCT-37477 BLUE THREADLOCKER 36MI $14.95
LOK-TD-3350400FM TRANS DIPSTICK $80.99
SUM-220887 -08 90 SWIVEL HOSE END $59.80 (for the Oil cooler I installed in front of the radiator)
SUM-G1488B ALUM PLUG KIT 1/2 BLUE 4 PACK 1 $7.95 (for the intake holes/head coolant temp holes)
BMM-80735 CABLE 5FT UNIMATIC REPLACEMENT 1 $25.75 (I've had to buy THREE shifter cables. The exhaust manifold on the passenger side blows right onto the top of the trans and melts them.)
ATI-925137 COOLER LINE FITTING 1 $27.95 (could have reused my stock trans cooler lines but I wanted AN hose for this.)
MCH-20127 ALT BRACKET 1 $101.88 (all this march stuff was unnecessary. Turns out the stock alternator bracket fits. This stuff did allow me to use my original PS pump tho. That and its super shiny!!!)
MCH-20151 POWER STEERING BRACKET BBC 1 $121.95
MCH-7330 PULLEY SET 1 $229.95 (These are the overdrive pulleys for increased water pump and alternator output)
EDL-2101 INTAKE MANIFOLD PERFORMER 2.0 1 $129.95 (I pulled the intake for a rotted gasket. It was so heavy I just figured I'd go ahead and change it for fear of an overly heavy front end.)
SUM-220686B -6 45 DEGREE BLACK HOSE END 4 $55.80
TRD-2109 1" CARB SPCR Q-JET OPEN PLENUM 1 $25.95
BMM-80831 SHIFTER CABLE SUPER DUTY 3 FT 2 $85.50 (gonna start using these shorter heavy duty shift cables)