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Old 09-06-2015, 08:04 PM
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Car: 85 2M6 Fiero, 06 2500 HD, 88 'burb
Engine: LX9, LQ4, L05
Transmission: F23, 4L80E, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.63, 4.10 14 bolt
Project: Full Retard.

Welcome to the show, Project Full Retard has begun. Full Retard is the idea that I can build an 850+ HP N/a 358 cubic inch engine and put it where is doesn't belong. at this point, I have narrowed down the choice in platforms to one of two choices, either a custom, one off, indycar inspired track toy, or, a thirdgen Firebird Formula. the engine being built, albeit very slowly, is a Nascar spec Chevy R07, the engine was built specifically for racing, and many details show that is is very thoughtfully designed. These first few posts are going to merely be a showcase for the parts I currently have on hand, there's more on the way, and it's all beautiful.

These are the first set of heads I have acquired, but, I might possibly have another set for the project by the end of the week.





CNC intake ports





CNC exhaust ports.





the heads don't have any large oil drains to allow oil to drain back to the valley. there are two small drains, both with restrictions installed to limit flow. one is in the first cylinders exhaust valve spring pocket, the other in the last. you can also see the marks left by the rocker stands. these engines use shaft mount rocker arms, which are bolted to stands that are bolted to the heads. from what I have seen there are at least 2 types of stand, a multi-piece, and a single piece, from what I can see, it appears this set used the single piece design.



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Car: 85 2M6 Fiero, 06 2500 HD, 88 'burb
Engine: LX9, LQ4, L05
Transmission: F23, 4L80E, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.63, 4.10 14 bolt
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interesting notes here, each head has 3 dowel pin locations, one in the middle outboard head bolt, and on in each corner inboard head bolt. the middle pin location is slotted vertically, and outer two are slotted horizontally, maintaining the head in position but still allowing for thermal expansion.







coolant enters the head through one large passage on the outside of the "V" and 6 smaller holes. coolant exits under each intake port to the radiator in a water manifold. coolant inlet is at about 7 o'clock, the outlet is at about 1 o'clock. note, in the picture you can see all three head dowels.



The heads use 6 bolts per cylinder to attach the head to the block. if you look here, on the left, there is a threaded hole, that is the 6th bolt hole, it threads into the head from the lifter valley instead of from the top and into the block.





the small hole in the front corner of the head is a oil passage. the valve covers have an integrated spring oiler passage to keep the springs cool at 10,000 RPM.

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The valves are Ti, and at slightly different angles. the intake valves use 6MM stems and are ~2.20" diameter, and the exhaust uses 7MM stems and are ~1.60". another interesting note, the edge of the intake valves is below the deck surface, take care when handling heads with valves installed to not let the deck slide on anything.







The rockers are T&D Shaft mount rockers. 2.20 ratio. each rocker has a PN and Date on them.









The intake is not a perfect match for the heads, but what project called "Full Retard" uses off the shelf parts anyway?





the water manifold provides a seal for the top of the lifter valley, and allows the intake manifold to be completely "dry", no coolant flows in the intake manifold, nor does hot oil contact the underside like on a traditional SBC.

here, you can see the manifold draws coolant from each individual cylinder, helping to maintain even temperatures across the entire engine. a sharp eye will notice the main coolant channel gets progressively wider as you approach the outlet, helping to maintain equal coolant flow from each cylinder.



you can see on the underside, as well as getting wider, the main passage also gets deeper.



here you can see that each coolant port has it's own individual O-ring seal, and the block/head surface has it's own as well to seal the lifter valley. this would require both seals to fail in close proximity to introduce coolant into the oil.

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Re: Project: Full Retard.

Valvetrain parts are mostly custom. the heads come with the valve guides installed, and then the builder carves the ports out from there, so valve positions are set by GM. Rocker position however, is not, it's set by each individual builder. I haven't seen anything but shaft mount rockers on the R07 engines, which as you know, require a support stand to hold the rocker up, the individual builders make these stands, all of them that I have seen are machined steel. the builder also drills and taps the head casting to mount the stands.

I have seen two types of stand, individual, and what I am calling integrated. the individual type uses one stand for each rocker, the integrated, uses one large stand to support all the rockers on one head. similar to how the Cadillac 4.9 rockers are installed.







the unfortunate part, is that because each shop builds them different, none are interchangeable, and because a steel bridge doesn't really wear out, they stay with the builders and get re-used on other engines instead of sold with the heads. the set pictured is for an ECR engine, so to use them, I'll have to get a set of ECR heads. This is the second set of rocker stands I've seen available, and I've been looking at R07 parts for a couple of years now, so I don't feel like this purchase was a loss.
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I also have a set of valve covers, although I do not currently have pictures, I will try to get some uploaded this week. and while valve covers don't sound interesting, trust me, as with everything else that will go on in the engine build, everything isn't necessarily as it seems.
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Re: Project: Full Retard.

Race stuff is cool! I want to see where this project goes!
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Car: 85 2M6 Fiero, 06 2500 HD, 88 'burb
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Axle/Gears: 3.63, 4.10 14 bolt
Re: Project: Full Retard.

it's harder than you might expect to find a set of R07 valve covers that don't say "Chevrolet" in big letters on them. I wanted plain, because this is not likely to be going in a Chevy.



The posts sticking down off the cover are valve spring sprayers to keep the springs cool at high RPM.





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Car: 85 2M6 Fiero, 06 2500 HD, 88 'burb
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Transmission: F23, 4L80E, 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.63, 4.10 14 bolt
Re: Project: Full Retard.

The timing set:

Belt drive is more efficient, and transmits less crankshaft harmonics to the valvetrain.



the crank pulley is one piece. the cam pulley is a two piece setup, and is infinitely adjustable in a small band.







the camshaft itself, bolts to a thrust bearing, which bolt to the front of the block, it has a a seal to keep oil from the cam bearings from wetting the belt. This one uses ball bearings, I plan on replacing it with a brand new unit prior to installing the engine when complete. The thrust bearing has a key installed, which aligns with a keyway on the spider of the upper cam pulley, one bolt secures the pulley to the cam/thrust bearing.





Front crank seal carrier. this prevents oil from the front main bearing or the oil pan from getting on the belt drive the flat side goes against the block.







The timing cover is carbon fiber, bolts to the front plate, and has holes for ventilation. this one has a couple of chips around the mounting holes, I might try to get a new one, but it's not high on the priority list, as it has no effect on function.



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