dennisbernal91z

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Does anyone know how the wiper motor wires work? I deleted the wiring harness from the car so it is a painless kit now. Is there any schematic about what each wire does???? I have it working at one speed and not "tucking". Not good enough. I want it to work like factory. How can this be done?

PLEASE HELP

as you can imagine I am 100% lost!!!

Pocket

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http://www.austinthirdgen.org/mkport..._pulse_CD4.jpg

All later 3rd gens used this delay style wiper motor. The change was 86 i think

dennisbernal91z

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thanks. i will see what i can do with this.

Chevynut46

Hey, I have the same problem. sorta... I did an 18 circuit painless wiring (Actually for a 2nd gen because when i bought it there was none for 3rd gens).. Can't figure out the wiper situation at all. Got a new motor in there and tried to just hot wire it to figure it out. The only thing I got it to do was a short lil retart stroke...Thought it was the motor and went to the junk yard and tried one there with a jump box with the same result.. Checked the linkage on both cars and seemed to be good.. I'll take any advice on the matter..Oh yea, need suggestions on a different switch too considering i dont have the stock column anymore. I believe the yellow and purple wires are high and low..
Thanx

dennisbernal91z

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I know what you are talking about. I had mine doing the same thing and I fixed it. It is not the motor or the linkage. The motor has to be wired a certain way. I wish I had my car in front of me so I could tell you what I did. So I will pull what I can from memory for now. But let me start off by saying I did not get the motor to have multi speeds. I got it to do two things, but with more work I could have got a fast, slow and home. I am building a 700HP motor so I think I won't be taking my car out in the rain too much more so I settled for just fast and home. What I did was get a toggle with 6 posts. On one side I attached the purple and gray, then in the middle posts I attached 12 volts, and on the other side I attached a green wire.

When the green wire gets 12 volts it goes home. When the purple and gray get 12 volts it moves fast. The green can not be getting 12 volts at this time. If you want slow, I think it is green and gray. I didn't bother with this.

This is at least a starting point. Not sure if my colors are all messed up since I may have extended some wires.

Let me know if this helps. I should be back to work on the car next weekend I hope.

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As an alternate starting point I grounded out the motor and electronics, then started giving 12 volts to different things, thats how I got to where I am.

Chevynut46

Yea.. 700 hp motor in the rain is a wee bit fun. I have around 550 and anything over 1/4-1/3 pedal is a waste.. I can spin in every gear. I dont take it out in the rain on purpose but its a road race setup so I gotta do what I gotta do haha. plus its still somewhat "street leagl". Hey where did you get the 6 post toggle. I cant seem to find one anywhere. I checked radioshack and advanced with no luck. Pepboys is a joke.. I spent some time the pother day screwin around with it again this is what I came up with.
2 wires on the bottom of the motor--yellow and purple
4 wires on the top end--yellow,dark green,pink,grey

If I connect the grey and bottom yellow I have slow wipers
purple and grey is fast wipers
I got it to park with the yellow and grey attached by giving it a shitty connection to the battery..haven't quite figured that out yet.
I guess your green is supposed to be yellow. Do you have 2 yellows? If so which one did the park the bottom or top one.. I believe the green on mine is the pulse and pink is washer.. Thanx for the help man!

dennisbernal91z

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I got the switch at "you do it yourself electronics" a local electronics shop. They have a website though.

I think you need to use the top yellow wire. I can get pics for you in a couple weeks but you sound like you will figure it out without them.

I don't think I have two yellows but I am not sure.

Chevynut46

Thanx man I appreciate the help. I wont have time to mess with it again for like a week or so anyway but I'll keep you posted.

fast z28

i have the same problem with my 83 camaro sport, (305 ho), can i get a link for the wiper motor diagrame. What could be wrong? HEELLLLPPP

dennisbernal91z

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We are talking about wiring the motor from scratch. Not with the camaro harness. What are you trying to do?

fast z28

my wiper motor works, its the switches that don't work, how do i test to see what wire isnt working? how do i take the wiper controll/switch off to test it?

dennisbernal91z

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I would start a new thread. I have no idea how to do that. In this thread we are talking about 100% custom wiring + the stock wiper motor.

fast z28

thanks anyways,

fast z28

that link for the wiper motor is the same for a 83 z28?

rayar

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Hey, Not sure if this will help but when I built my second generation Firebird I custom wired everything. It was a few years ago but I believe the motor is grounded through the switch. Completly opposite from what I thought was right.

Chevynut46

ok I donno if you still subscibe to this thread ( I hope so..) but, I just got back to dealing with this problem. I've been thinkin ( no trials yet figured I'd ask you first )..If I run the the wiring like I was saying:
grey & yellow=low
grey & purple=high
wouldn't I need to run diodes in the grey wires so it wouldnt back feed through the line and try to run high and low at the same time? Or would I be better off running 2 relays to prevent the back feed issue? Also I believe that other guy was right. the original setup was ground through the switch or, so the guy at painless said..He also said a universal switch wouldn't work but I disagree. Found a descent universl switch at speedwaymotors.com it was only like $9 so worth a shot either way. has high,low,park/off provisions.. will keep you posted

Chevynut46

OK! I think I got it! I will follow up when the switch gets here but this is what I got.
On an 86 camaro:
4 wires on top part of motor:
yellow-unknown, maybe the original power to the motor if the switch was ground
dark green-pulse
pink-washer
grey-park release
2 wires on bottom part of motor:
yellow-low
purple-high

The switch from speedwaymotors.com is laid out like this
park/off terminal
low terminal
high terminal
+battery terminal

If park/off works as a momentary power before off than;
park/off connect to bottom yellow
low connect bottom yellow and top grey
high connect purple ( I'm almost positive the grey wire won't be needed with the purple because the wiper park was already released when passing through low.)
+battery connect to well +battery

I'll know more about the park/off function when the switch gets here but this looks like it will work to me.

75maro

did you ever get the wipers to work? my cousin is having the same problem, he's using an aftermarket harness, painless i think, and we're trying to wire the wiper motor from scratch. we would like to get all the factory fuctions to work properly but this **** is confusing!

bcnvz28

I hope this helps.

l_dis_travlr

The pdf file above gives a pretty good explanation,
that illustrates a subtlety it took me awhile to figure out.

The switching function occurs by configuring the ground
connections, rather than the 12v input, which is hot on
an accessory circuit. Think about it. If the switching
occured on the 12v input, when you turned the switch
off, the motor would immediately stop, rather than continuing
to the "park" position.

And from experience, I STRONGLY recommend against opening
the case. If the cam & gears are not properly indexed, the
unit will grind itself into hard failure condition. And good luck
finding component replacement parts.

Go ahead, ask me how I learned all this.

Jeromey Cummins

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If im not mistaken, you should be able to call Painless, tell them what you have, and what your doing, and they will let you know exactly what you need, and will send you a wiring diagram of what you need to do. They probably have the ability to make ( if there isnt something already ) something that would be plug and play for your guys's motors. Ive dealt with them quiet a few times due to installations of different harnesses supplied be them, and most of the time, they knew exactly what to send me, and a colored diagram of the wires telling me what goes to what. It doesnt get any easier.

CamaroIROC88350

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Or you could just delete the whole thing from the car and you'll gain about 15 horsepower from the delete.

Jeromey Cummins

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Ah...... Um.......... What! Ha yea, if fifteen horses were that easy!

CamaroIROC88350

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It's called being funny, sarcasm, lol.

Jeromey Cummins

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Oh I know! No offense really!

Chevynut46

I did call painless but basically without the stock switch they said good luck. haha I dont have the stock column in there anymore and can't fit the wiper switch in the column.

mudmaster

hi,
new here , have a back halfed bbc blown nitrous 91 t. a. street car and valve cover is in the way of the wiper motor cover. Were any of the motors slimmer with a single or double speed? i. e. 82 3rd gen??

DTL504

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Did u get this to work?