LKASurfing

Been with out a F Body for a few years now. Been looking for one for my Step Son to drive and just came across a 92 Formula.

The car is in amazing shape for the age. As I was checking it out I was surprised at the lack of options on this car. Basically I am curios , the experts on the board here think there could be of a car like this. I know that there is no way of knowing exactly, and I am pretty stoked to hap upon a unique car. Not that I am looking for any real value aspect, just because its cool!
I will post the RPO list which is crazy short, but basically it has all the go fast stuff, TPI, 5speed, dual Cats, better gears. This is a Hard Top car.
Only options it seems are rear defrost, tilt wheel & AC. Not even a rear hatch release!

It looks as though someone almost specifically ordered a 1LE. without ordering one. Other thing is cool is that it is a black interior which from my experience you do not see as often.

Thoughts?

Does not seem I can post pics yet?

okfoz

Get me a VIN and I might be able to get specific production numbers for you...

JOhn

LKASurfing

here is the VIN & RPO Tag

JT

iTrader: (1)

Compnine shows 883 1992 Formulas in their database. So that is the starting figures we have to work with.

All Formulas have WS6 suspension. Of the 883 in Compnine's database, they have 146 showing equipped with the LB9 and 5 Speed. All 146 of those have the GU6 gears and N10 exhaust. Of the 146 in their database, 86 of them have the factory T-Tops. Of the 60 that didn't have T-Tops, 19 of those had the black interior.

Again, these figures are from Compnine that show 883 1992 Formulas in the database. GM itself did not keep track of options on top of options to figure these types of details. So the figures may never be 100%.

LKASurfing

Thank you! That's pretty wild!, What do you think about the lack of options? I saw it was built in June of 92. Really makes me think someone was specifically ordered a car to be as fast as possible, like a 1LE, but with the 5 speed.

JT

iTrader: (1)

There was 1LEs with the 5 speed.

Regarding options, the Formula was known as the lighter weight, less frills, car that was more about performance.

Uncle Skeletor

iTrader: (5)

I want to say my 92 Formula (sold it to Copperhead a few years ago) was optioned pretty much like this, LB9/MM5/N10/GU6. Arctic white with black interior, hard top. Next to no options, just performance stuff and AC.

LKASurfing

Did not know that, that's cool. I am aware of Formula's. Over the years I have had 6 Third Gens not counting this one. Been around a lot of them. I had never seen one with so few options, other than a friends 1LE.

Thanks for your help!

PurelyPMD

iTrader: (3)

Nicely equipped - got a picture?

LKASurfing

Here are a couple shots

okfoz

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Vehicle:

FIREBIRD 2 DR
Year:

1992
Build Date:

1992-06-18


Found 22,334 vehicles matching that year and model in our database.
RPO Description Matches
AAA Unknown 21,257
AJ3 RESTRAINT SYSTEM,FRONT SEAT INFLATABLE DRIVER SI INFL RST SYS(AJ3) 22,334
AR9 SEAT,FRONT BUCKET,DRIVER,PASSENGER,MANUAL RECLINING(EUROPEAN STYLE) MAN RECL FRT BKT ST,DELUXE(AR9) 21,980
C49 DEFOGGER,REAR WINDOW,ELECTRIC ELEC RR WDO DEFG(C49) 15,872
C60 AIR CONDITIONER,FRONT,MANUAL CONTROLS A/C MAN CONT(C60) 22,220
D35 MIRROR,O/S LH REM RH DIRECT CTL,PAINTED PAINTED O/S MIR(D35) 3,454
D42 COVER,REAR COMPARTMENT SECURITY(SHADE) R/CMPT SECURITY SHADE(D42) 9,781
D5S GEAR-SPEEDO DRIVEN (14085510) (D5S) 1,679
D8M SENSOR VEH SPD (10456087) (D8M) 2,355
D81 SPOILER,REAR,AERO WING RR AERO WING SPLR(D81) 3,122
E5Z ADAPTER - SPEEDO - DELETE 22,334
E9Z KEY - SPEEDO - DELETE 22,334
FE2 SUSPENSION SYSTEM,RIDE AND HANDLING(USED WITH TOURING YP5) RIDE & HANDLING SUSP(FE2) 1,682
GU6 AXLE,REAR,3.42 RATIO 3.42R(GU6) 1,679
G80 AXLE,REAR,POSITRACTION,LIMITED SLIP POSITRACTION L/SLIP R/AXL(G80) 1,782
IPC TRIM,INTERIOR DESIGN (IPC) 21,980
J65 BRAKE SYSTEM,POWER,FRONT AND REAR DISC 4-WHL DISC BRK(J65) 1,051
KC4 COOLING SYSTEM,ENGINE OIL ENG OIL CLG(KC4) 1,051
K68 GENERATOR,105 AMPERE 105 AMP(K68) 8,465
LB9 ENGINE,5.0L(5.0F),V8 EFI CAR ONLY 5.0F(LB9) 750
MK6 TRANSMISSION,MANUAL 5-SPEED(BORG-WARNER) 5-SPD M/TRANS(MK6) 223
MM5 TRANSMISSION,MANUAL 5-SPEED PROVISIONS(MERCHANDISING OPTION) 5-SPD M/TRANS PROVISIONS(MM5) 2,355
NA5 EMISSION SYSTEM,FEDERAL REQUIREMENTS FEDERAL EMIS(NA5) 20,205
N10 EXHAUST SYSTEM,DUAL(USED WITH TROFEO SPORT COUPE WL3) D/EXH(N10) 1,051
N36 STEERING WHEEL,SPORT-4 SPOKES SPORT STRG WHL(N36) 21,278
N64 WHEEL AND TIRE,SPACE SAVER SPARE(ALUMINUM) STOWAWAY SPARE(ALUM)(N64) 1,091
PE0 WHEEL,16X8,ALUMINUM,LIGHT WEIGHT STYLED LGT WT AL WHL(PE0) 493
QLC TIRE,ALL P245/50ZR16/N BL R/PE ST TL HWY TIRE(QLC) 1,682
R6P CONTROL - SALES ITEM NO. 15 836
UB3 CLUSTER,INSTRUMENT (UB3) 22,334
UM6 RADIO,AM/FM STEREO,CASSETTE,ETR,INCLUDES CLOCK STEREO CASSETTE(UM6) 9,061
UQ1 RADIO,PROVISIONS FOR STEREO STEREO RDO PR0VISIONS(UQ1) 22,334
U62 SPEAKER SYSTEM,4,DUAL COAX FRONT,DUAL COAX PACKAGE SHELF 4 SPKR SYS(U62) 22,334
VAN PLANT CODE VAN NUYS, CA, CPC VAN NUYS,CA PLANT CODE(VAN) 22,334
VK3 LICENSE PLATE,FRONT MOUNTING PACKAGE FRT LIC PLT MTG PKG(VK3) 16,875
V73 VEHICLE STATEMENT - US/CANADA US/CANADA VEHICLE STATEMENT(V73) 20,779
WS6 PERFORMANCE PACKAGE,SPECIAL(MERCHANDISING OPTION) SPECIAL PERFORMANCE PKG(WS6) 1,682
W66 FORMULA OPTION(MERCHANDISING OPTION) FORMULA(W66) 883
1SA PACKAGE-OPTION 01 (1SA) 625
10U EXTERIOR COLOR,ARTIC WHITE (10U) 3,827
19C TRIM COMBINATION,CLOTH,BLACK (19C) 4,791
19I INTERIOR TRIM COLOR (19I) 4,872
199 SEAT BELTS COLOR BLACK (19) (199) 4,872
6ZW SPRING COMPTR SELECT FRT LH SUSP(6ZW) 1,161
7ZW SPRING COMPTR SELECT FRT RH SUSP(7ZW) 1,161
8NL SPRING-COMPTR SELECT RR LH SUSP(8NL) 1,899
9NL SPRING-COMPTR SELECT RR RH SUSP(9NL) 1,899

okfoz

What kept this from being a 1LE was probably the C60 A/C. There is one yellow fully loaded Formula 1LE out there with T-tops and A/C...

92GTA

iTrader: (11)

Firehawks were 1LE and had A/C. Or was 1LE combined with B4U specifically allowed to have A/C?

okfoz

JT informed me there was no CC1, 1LE, C60, W66 cars... I thought there was an article about a yellow one...

However there was one Firehawk with CC1... but I don't remember if that was one of the cars without B4U

John

92GTA

iTrader: (11)

That is a non B4U car (none of the non-red ones are real B4U), but yeah that may be so about when CC1 was thrown in the mix.

LKASurfing

Great info Thanks!

PurelyPMD

iTrader: (3)

The final Firehawks were built after GM production had ceased so the cars were grabbed from zone inventory. It's entirely possible one was equipped with A/C - heck there was one with T-tops & one convertible too!

92GTA

iTrader: (11)

You misunderstand, I was saying that ALL of the REAL 1LE/B4U 'Hawks had A/C.

I shouldn't have even mentioned it tho, as okfoz pointed out, we are talking about 1LEs with CC1 anyway.

okfoz

At the end of the day it appears that it was possible to get a 1LE with Either CC1 OR C60...

- Here are some examples the B4C Police cars never had T-tops, but they had A/C
- Firehawks, same thing, were available with A/C but none of the B4U cars had T-tops
- There is an article from June or July, 1992 Muscle Car review IIRC, that had a Yellow Formula LB9/MM5/1LE w/ A/C (this is the car I was speaking of earlier)

The TTA seems to be the exception as most of them had the 1LE equipment AND T-tops. However that was an exception because the TTA is the only "1LE" production car to get a V6 engine, therefore it was lighter.

On the Camaro side, I have not seen any 1LE's with T-tops
On the Firebird side I recall a Trans Am from a few years back 1LE that had T-tops, it was the grayish blue color IIRC.

Of course there are probably some exceptions, but that is what I can figure.

Joe Reece

iTrader: (1)

Guys
I have a 91 1le with CC1, LB9, and MM5 with no AC. So the combo does exist. Limited to 2 only is what I have been told. Also, have 3 other 91 1LE's. One that I purchased new in June of 1990.

Joe

JT

iTrader: (1)

Don't think there is a dispute there.

Compnine shows 8 of that combo (W66, 1LE, CC1, LB9, MM5 and no A/C) for 1991. Add the C60 A/C and then it's 0.

Compnine doesn't have complete records, but for 1991 and 1992 their database shows no 1991 or 1992 Firebird with 1LE and both C60 and CC1. It's either 1LE with C60 or 1LE with CC1 as John noted above.

Copperhead

I think its RPO sheet is even shorter, and now it's missing the AC too . . . definitely purpose-built, with no cruise control or power anything except hatch.

LKASurfing

Cool, this one doesn't not even have hatch release. Just rear window defogger!

Copperhead

Who knew we had it so good, we could still order a car as light on the options as you wanted, even build of 1 of 1 if we were smart

PAFORM350

Nice car. Same year in the middle of "resto modding it" lol Here's a pic

TTOP350

iTrader: (8)

In for the info.

Drew

iTrader: (58)

Nothing that unusual here. With the later cars most of the options were in packages. A 92 Formula ordered with that engine/trans automatically triggered the performance package. The 1SA option package triggered the lack of interior and luxury options. So basically if the buyer just wanted the cheapest Firebird available with a 305tpi and 5spd, that's about what the car would look like with the minimum boxes checked on the order sheet.

okfoz

He's Alive!! He's ALIVE!!!

Been a while Drew... Welcome Back

Drew

iTrader: (58)

Hey John. :P I'm just kind of browsing through. Got to thinking about cars the other day and stopped in to see if there was anything new in TGO land.