chazman

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Another low miler with 15" wheels. I didn't even see this many base wheels IROC-Zs on the street when they were new!




http://www.ebay.com/itm/Chevrolet-Camaro-IROC-Z/181946759516?_trksid=p2060778.c100277.m3477&_trkparms=aid%3D222007%26algo%3DSIC.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D20150520070957%26meid%3D3b66bf5b895c4537a10e361e764992af%26pid%3D100277%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D4%26sd%3D141836608880

DynoDave43

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Nice.

Don't let the Bloomington Gold guys see that windshield banner.

B4C5.7

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These low mile IROC's are in excellent condition but the lame 15 inchers but the squash on desirability. JMO Still enjoy seeing them as they were.

chazman

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This one seems to be taking off, not even 24 hours and at $9200 already.

puma1552

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not many '90s around - best year imo - old gfx and new dash

((Mike))

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When I ordered my 91 in october of 1990 Cormier Chevrolet had a left over white 1990 with 15" wheels like these. That car was an LB9 with a 5 Speed and that was it! crank windows and base interior. The window sticker was $15,XXX and they offered it to me for I think it was $13,500 but I couldn't afford the insurance for an IROC and I wanted a T-top car! I just remember thinking how odd those wheels looked. Seems like every other IROC was bright red.

F-body-fan

I honestly think we will see more & more low miliage cars like this as time goes on & owners want to see what the market is.
It's too bad they undercoated this one. That makes no sense at all to me.

chazman

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Wow, this sucker took off today. $15,456.

FirebirdUSX

Why is the underside black?

gt4373

Most Likely It's Been Painted.

F-body-fan

I remember seeing these on the lot at my local Chevrolet dealer & I thought they all came with 15" at the time. They had at least 5-6 of them all with 15" wheels.

I never really liked the look, but it doesn't bother me anymore.

okfoz

Something does not look right... The drive shaft has been painted, they were all bare metal AFAIK. Scratch that, it has been undercoated.... I would think that undercoating would make it vibrate

FirebirdUSX

Most likely for a guy who wants originality/low miles that will be a good reason to ask for a lower price.Also if you want a quality job you don't paid the fuel lines ,drive shaft and all brackets /screws.

TTOP350

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I have seen this on many dealer undercoated cars.

okfoz

My dealer undercoat was a yellowish hue... came right off with some mineral spirits.

w_mcvicker

Painted exhaust as well?

TTOP350

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Finally had time to look at it a bit closer. Here is my meaningless nit picky list.
I see a upper rad hose an clamps have been changed.
What was bolted to the dr side strut tower? (alarm?)
Looks like paint to me on the bottom/ds/some suspension. (I don't like that, esp on a low mile car)
Kind of looks like the intermediate exhaust pipe has had a piece sectioned in. (all the factory intermediate pipes I've seen are 1 piece)
Trans dipstick a replacement?
Vac line routed over the plenum
The clamp on the heater bypass valve looks to be a worm gear replacement as well.
Never seen the swaybar decal on the driver side (wouldn't think it'd be different for Camaros?)
Swaybar endlink looks a bit off as well but I don't get to see many Camaros or non-ws6 cars

Nice car with some small things wrong that are easily fixed.
I'm not a huge fan of those wheels and tires but...

F-body-fan

My 89 TA is the same way. Its on everything, except the parts that normally rust. the diff, control arms, etc. Everything else is doused. Mine was done from the dealer as I found out. they pushed the treatment at the time it was ordered. Its not always the original owners fault these low mile cars are pigged up underneath.... Dealers want the added revenue to the original sale.




Yep, mine too. I used a mild solvent to test a small area. I have been contemplating putting it outside on the lift & using something to break it down & a pressure washer. Ohhhhh what a mess that will be......

TTOP350

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Parts washer solvent works wonders.

F-body-fan

Even the environmental "green" stuff? That might not be so horrible to clean up after. That stuff seems so docile tho.

TTOP350

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Never used that stuff. I use the real stuff that works.

I have access to a dry ice blaster at work that I have used on some things. It's pretty nifty about taking gunk off and leaving to original painted surface perfectly fine. May have to do some experimenting with it.

Stangski09

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Haha Jesus who the **** cares.

Rubber suspension parts wear out. Radiator hoses wear out. They dont wear out based on miles, they wear out based on duration.
And guess what, vac lines wear out based on time too.

TTOP350

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Please read my 2nd sentence.
Buuuut to answer you, people that want a all original car to show do care about that stuff. These cars are slowly coming into their own and need that stuff to bring top dollar or top points at a show.

chazman

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The reason the bid is now over $16,000 is because of the car's low miles and originality. That's what people pay the big bucks for. I'm sure you get that, right?

scottmoyer

The front bumper cover's been repainted also. The headlight buckets should not be gloss black.

chazman

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It's hard to tell if the headlight buckets have been painted or if the satin black has been polished by an overexuberant detailer.

scottmoyer

Well, I'm no expert, but I think mine are polished up and waxed as much as anybody's!

chazman

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Yeah, they are pretty shiny.

I asked the seller for some interior shots and of the SPID, he said he'd post them today.

ray jr

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the reason the bid is over 16,000 is because its free for the seller and his friends to bid it that high .. it happens everyday on ebay .. one car has 50 bids and the same car if not better has zero .. they will bid it up to the reserve then stop ..

chazman

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Very possible as well.

Stangski09

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Going to lose your shirt over a vacuum line that can easily be re-routed? Going to bash a guy for not having a perfectly "oem" car over a vac line? Maybe there was a vac leak and a GM tech ran the vac line like that, that is still oem.

You pay big bucks for a numbers matching car, low mile, original paint, immaculate shape exterior and interior. You dont pick apart the minor parts that require replacement.

chazman

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I'm not bashing anyone. It's a beautiful car. But TTOP350 picked out a few non-original details on the car. This BTW, is the "History/Originality" forum. We talk about stuff like that here.

But just so you know, all of these little things matter to the purist willing to spend tip-top money on an all original car. And this is nothing, you should see how far they go with mega dollar '60's muscle cars.

F-body-fan

TTop350 never picked on the price because of the details, he was just pointing those things out. At least that how I interpreted it. I personally enjoy that type of attention to the details, & I learn more about the cars because of posts like this. But I don't really see it as a bash on the car.

Playing the devils advocate, I could see how it could be interpreted the other way, but like chazman mentioned, probably shouldn't be taken that way in this side of the forum.

puma1552

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pointless factoid, my 155k mile RS still has the original, datecoded upper radiator hose from september 89, morning shift it appears.

TTOP350

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I am not by any means bashing the car, it is very nice.
I am however pointing out a few minor things that are not quite "factory" and could/should easily be fixed. Esp on a "money" car like this.

okfoz

I think the problem is when you have a car like this that is low miles and has several little things that are not quite right, you have to ask what else is not quite right that you cannot see. There is no doubt that it is a nice car... Personally I would pick up Scott's car first, it IS correct. But I am not in the market for another car right now... I just do not want to reorganize my barn...

okfoz

I was watching "Jay Leno's Garage" the other night, I really get a kick out of it. They were talking about an old Corvette. One of the things that they mentioned was the If you could go back in time and bring back a 1960 Corvette right out of the factory, no miles, the corvette club would find something wrong with it and say it never came that way new.

scottmoyer

I have done 1000 point judging at shows where the Tri-five guys do that exact thing. That's why there are some on these boards that "need" the grey valve stem covers. Their car came with them originally and they want to return the car to original as best they can. I have taken points off of cars for having the spark plug wires routed differently than factory. The car still works, but it's obviously not "correct". That's why guys on this forum will nit pick a car. It gives the person that is trying to do it "correctly" an idea of what can be found incorrect on that car. Within 5 minutes of standing in front of my car, John found two items that weren't factory correct, as minor as they might have been.

okfoz

Actually I had to look under it for one...

F-body-fan

I had a car in the inaugural MCACN show in Chicago 6 years ago. there was a chevelle there that actually scored the full 1000 points. There was a big rumble about it at the show, because as you all know there is "no perfect car" all the judges got together & looked the car over & determined they could not find one thing that justified a point loss. It was over the top, & I'll never forget it. Not sure if that has happened again at that show. Very high end indoor show & would recommend it to anyone that is in the chicago area in October.

chazman

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MCACN has now become the premier Corvette and muscle car show in the nation. In the world, really.

My friend just bought an all original, 16K mile, '67 427 Impala, which has been sitting in a climate controlled garage since 1972. We're planning on getting it ready to take to MCACN next year. It'll be a fun winter project.

scottmoyer

I've had issues with 1000 point shows for years. When you're talking 1000 points for deduction, there is always something that could be wrong, dirty, etc. Think of a 10 point scale. If someone says they have a 9.5 out of 10, they are saying they have a 950 out of 1000 points. No car is perfect. A single stone chip should be points off in 1000 point judging. You can be more forgiving on 100 point or 200 point scales, but not the 1000 point.

My car has been judged 996 out of 1000. If I judged my car to "true" 1000 point parameters, it would probably come in around 950 or even even 900. Think about that. you can deduct points for any dirt in the wheel wells or rims, any dirt in the engine compartment, any dust in the AC vents, any stone chips in the paint, any body panel alignment, any changes like wiring or sway bar endlinks, any rust on the undercarriage, etc. There is not a single car that can be driven that will qualify for 1000 points. I think 100 and 200 point scales are better.

okfoz

Personally I like shows that deduct for the wrong pieces and parts, dirty, or whatever but then add points for miles driven...

puma1552

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I think it's absurd to deduct points for dirt in those petty places like the A/C vents. Sure, a car should be clean and fully detailed, and not have mud caked underneath, but I think it's pretty bogus to deduct points from an otherwise correct car just because of dirt, which has nothing to do with the correctness of the vehicle.

scottmoyer

But that's the whole point behind 1000 point judging. Based on what you're saying, you can take a stock car that has 30k miles and just washed by the owner for 20 years, but is still original, and get the full 1000 points because it's all there. The basis for 1000 point judging is perfection. The car should be better than it came from the factory. I've seen deductions for dust in the vents, ttop alignment, sock lint on the carpet, etc. To earn 1000 points, the car should be flawless in all areas. That's why I say that 1000 point judging should not be used on cars that are driven because you can deduct for just about anything.

PurelyPMD

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I disagree that cars should be better than they came from the factory. Factory original should be the standard - orange peel paint & all.

Judging should be limited to correctness, not cleanliness.

gt4373

gt4373

Anyone Else Notice The Three Screw Holes In The Front Facia,That's The First Time I've Seen That On An 85-92 Camaro, Was That The Correct Way To Mount The Licence Plate Bracket For Cars That Required A Front Plate.

F-body-fan

yep, license plate bracket for those states that required them.

F-body-fan

Shows like MCACN have different classes for just that. If you get into the Stock Concours class, your car better have the original paint finish, flaws & overspray or you won't do that well. The period correct class allows you to modify the cars, but it should still be something that you would see on the streets back in the day. The street class is all about modified from original, to over the top fit & finish. So Bobs show is for sure not one class fits all.