goalieforlife

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im looking at a gta with about 40000 original miles.. whats the value of the car. it is completely stock right down to the radio... paint is also still good.

JT

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I think you will need to provide more information, especially pictures. Even then, it will be a rough value. I'd also make sure it's a GTA and not a Trans Am cloned as a GTA. Really common to see a Trans Am sold as a GTA, on purpose or based on misinformation. Many don't understand the shared VIN codes between a GTA and Trans Am.

sofakingdom

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The value is whatever a willing buyer is willing to pay, to a willing seller who is willing to exchange the car for whatever the buyer is offering.

(yes I have exchanged capital goods for some surprising ... or maybe not ... "other" ... goods and services besides cash, over the years...)

It has ABSOLUTELY NO VALUE WHATSOEVER either less than that, or beyond that.

No matter what you pay, your odds of coming out "on top of" the deal financially, are 50% AT BEST. More likely, no matter what you pay, you will LOSE MONEY if you buy it thinking it has more "value" than what you're paying and you're going to recover your "investment".

Buy it because YOU like it and it's what YOU want for doing what YOU want to do with it and YOU will enjoy it. Don't buy it for any other reason.

Same as any antique car.

goalieforlife

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I would rate the car about 8 out of 10... she has the 5.0 tpi..t-tops and tan leather interior. How can I tell if its a true gta...is there a v.i.n code.

eseibel67

There will be a sticker inside the centre console with VIN # and it will be full of 3 digit RPO codes. That is the build recipe for the car. If the VIN # on the sticker matches the VIN # of the car, look for RPO code Y84. If yes, it's a real GTA.

TTOP350

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The RPO code decal was moved to the rear hatch locking compartment in 90 or 91

mantaguy

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https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/hist...g-what-my.html

John in RI

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I just posted a similar answer: should add this to the sticky!

TOTAL PRICE: MSRP: $24,530, Low: $3,240, Ave: $7,169. High: $12,180

NADA for a 91 GTA:

http://www.nadaguides.com/Classic-Ca...r-Coupe/Values

The NADA valuation is what many states base their car valuations on for tax purposes. It's also the amount that insurance companies will look at for valuation in the event of a wreck. While it is a very "general" valuation that doesn't account for mileage/rarity/desirability,...... it's still the first place to go when getting an idea of what a car is "worth" on a wide scale.

To get an idea on what the "real world" valuation is on any car,...... view wanted adds, craigslist, and auction sites to see what real people are paying for similar cars in your area.

goalieforlife

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thanks guys... any help is good help.

goalieforlife

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update with some pics of the car

Vanilla Ice

That car would be for sale at $8-9k around here. But it would probably sell for $6500.

KMK454

5.0 TPI with an automatic kind of kills the value here. And, despite the low mileage, the condition does not appear perfect enough to overcome that. I'd say it's at most a US $10k, but more likely several thousand below that. I'd have to see it in person to say for sure.

truckerz

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Markets vary significantly from region to region, and in some places even the season matters. (People are less likely to buy a V8 Vert in the dead of winter in the far north)

"Book" values mean very little. They can be used for a very rough ballpark.

The best way for you is to do a Google search for similar makes and models in similar condition with similar miles in your area. Iroc, regular Z28, formula, Trans-Am, etc.

Here, in North GA, if you were buying from a dealer, 11000ish. From a private party, 8000ish. A motivated seller might sell as low as 6500. For me, 8,000 would be fair.

It looks nice, but there is nothing really special about it. Nothing to make it stand out from other GTA or Trans-AM cars. The miles are good, but that's about it.


I'll second a previous posters response. It's true value is what someone would be willing to pay for it. The might be someone out there that is in love with that color and optioned GTA and would drop 15 grand. Conversely, it might take 2 years to sell priced at 5k.

Point being, unless it is documented and has a valuation from a place like Hagerty, it is impossible to say, for sure, what it is worth.

Johnnycanso

I just bought a 1991 GTA & the RPO code decal was in the back locked compartment. Checked the vin # and made sure i saw Y84 & WS6!

goalieforlife

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yeah the car is canadian so its actually 66000 kms! and that is what is drawing me to it... she is very nice and would be a classic here in canada now.

mantaguy

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It would be considered a Classic in most states here also(25 yrs.)

90 GTA Black

Something didn't look right about the speedo so I checked both my 91 GTA's which are also Z49 (Canadian models) and they both have the 140mph/220kmh speedo. I'm not saying the speedo has been changed as there were shortages for some things on the 91 line but I would have a closer look at the condition and ask for supporting documents to verify the low mileage since that is a large chunk of the value here.

Also, very early 91 models (mine was made 05/90) have the info in the console but my 06/90 has it in the rear compartment which is a much better location.

Johnnycanso

I might be wrong, but i think the Trans Am 5.0L V8 (Auto) in Canada were only rated for 180Km/h and the 5.7L V8 GTA were rated 220Km/h??

90 GTA Black

Both of my 91's are 5.0/ 5 speed. Maybe the 5 speed kicked in the higher speedo?

Johnnycanso

Ya the 5.0L/manual were punched out to almost match the GTA L98

1991 5.0L Manual 230 HP @ 4400 RPM / 300 FT/LB @ 3200 RPM (MM5 Transmission)

1991 5.7L GTA 240 HP @ 4400 RPM / 340 FT/LB @ 3200 RPM

90 GTA Black

I wonder if any other Z49 owners can confirm this.

Are those ratings with N10?

goalieforlife

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im wondering that too.

90 GTA Black

I checked my 90 - it has the 140/220 speedo as well.

Johnnycanso

Have a look at the RPO codes for the N10, if not look underneath the car for dual catalytic converters. The dual exhaust on the 91 GTA's gave it a good 10hp boost!!

90 GTA Black

Yes, all three have N10. Could another trigger for a higher speedo?

B4C5.7

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I have a '91 1LE Trans Am with Z49...it has N10 and is a 220KMH/140mph. I believe it is related to G92 code cars as they received the QLC tires rated for the higher speeds. Without the QLC tires the speedo would only read to 180 KMH/120 MPH.

Johnnycanso

I just pulled out my trusty 1991 Pontiac Firebird brochure & it shows that both 5.0L Trans Am and Formula had an option for Level III Performance suspension option (WS6). This may have included the 220KM/H Speedometer but it doesn't say.

I also checked the specs for engine and tranny's....

EFI 5.0L V8 170HP/255 Ibs ft. torque
TPI 5.0L V8 200HP/295 Ibs ft. torque (Auto)
H.O. TPI 5.0L V8 225HP/300 Ibs ft. torque (5 speed)
H.O. TPI 5.7L V8 240HP/340 Ibs ft. torque (Auto)

It also states that the twin catalytic converter option gives the Formula and GTA with the 5.0L TPI V8 5 speed a 12.5% power boost over the conventional exhaust system.

TTOP350

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Formula came standard with Level III / WS6 from 87-92

JT

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Do you have the VIN? Send me the VIN in a PM. I want to check the RPO codes for this vehicle, unless you can post them.

Johnnycanso

The brochure i have says that the Formula came with a Level II suspension and the Level III Performance susp. (WS6) was an option.

JT

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As TTop350 stated, all 1987-1992 Formulas came with WS6 as standard.

Sales brochures have been found to be incorrect (or changed last minute before production) a time or two.

To add, I checked Compnine's database. They show 5,464 1991 Formulas in their database. Every single 5,464 of those 1991 Formulas show having WS6 - including the 192 of those Z49 Canadian cars.

goalieforlife

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yes i got them

Johnnycanso

Seems odd to see Trans Am WS6 package with 180Km/h gauges??

goalieforlife

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i think its because of the 5.0

goalieforlife

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the car proof says there has been no odometer problems... but im sure that could be manipulated.

Johnnycanso

I'm with you!!

Johnnycanso

Any updates??

goalieforlife

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yes johnny.. the car has been purchased and is now with me and is pretty much as advertised.

The hood shocks are shot so they gotta be replaced. The trunk motor I think may be on its last legs but im not 100% on that as it may have just been stiff from sitting on a dealer parking lot for so long.

The car came with 66100kms approx on the clock. I have purchased a new cap and rotor, fuel filter, plugs (ac delco rapid fire) and a fresh oil/filter change scheduled for tomorrow.

The car needs a idler arm and center link which i have ordered via ebay. I have included some pics of the car on the the autocarrier (sorry its dark), in the parking lot, on the ferry and in my GF's driveway after a fresh wash and of course... my first time pulled over by the lovely RCMP.

PurelyPMD

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Congratulations - nice car!

naf

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Consider swapping in new tie rod ends while you're there. Can swap everything in as a unit, easier and you can measure the length of the old unit and set the new assembly close then only one alignment. Good for several years.

goalieforlife

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good idea.

92GTA

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From what I've seen, the lower speedo is if it's a 5.0L WITH auto, if a 5-spd or a 5.7L, then it's the higher speedo.

I upgraded the speedo in my GTA 15 years ago and transferred the odometer.

Vanilla Ice

Nope, rear end ratio and tires play a role. I have a low speedo 5 speed.

92GTA

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Good to know, thanks!

goalieforlife

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im pretty happy with the car so far i got to be honest. looks like a good find.

The car has some trouble starting in the mornings.. but so far starts after a couple attempts or so. Her temp hand never quite gets to where it should and her oil pressure gsuge reads high.

Im not sure if its a gauge problem or a sensor issue.