Leospade88

Can someone tell me how many miles this iroc has ? I'm getting 44 k and others saying 4 k and some saying 144 k ... Help pls ... Thank you !

okfoz

Looks to me like 104K...
The White digit is 10ths, and is not counted in the miles.

I highly doubt it is 4K...

John

scottmoyer

Being a 5 digit odometer, I would also assume 104,459. After 99,999, the odometer rolls back to 00000. If the car appears brand new, minus the horn, it's possible to have 4,459, but that doesn't happen often on a 30 year old car.

Leospade88

The seats head liner carpet and all look new to me still smells new crazy I know has the original radio and everything that's why it's hard to tell

Leospade88

I got the horn it just on the passenger seat

stegal

more pictures so we can see wear and tear

Leospade88

sofakingdom

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That's not 4400 miles.

AT LEAST 104400; maybe even 204400. A quick glance under the hood, or at the brakes, will confirm.

Stuart S

That dash pad is done... And the turn signal indicator writing/lines are all worn away...

F-body-fan

Hard to say with just those few pictures, but 104K would be a reasonable guess without seeing the car in person. All things considered that would still be pretty low miles for a car of this age. I have a 6 year old Silverado that is inching towards 100K right now. interior is still like brand new, but one look under the truck & you can tell it has some miles on it. grime on drivetrain things, rust on the exhaust, etc. Also On its 2nd brake job & has a few paint blemishes. These are the things you would expect on a car that is/was driven. Most of the time when these older cars have "ultra" low miles, they are usually tucked away from the very beginning, so they retain original features that are very hard to fake IMO. those things often include original brakes, exhaust, paint & a lack of heavy corrosion on chassis parts. The engine & transmission will normally be relatively clean with some dust & oil residue, as well as the backside of the wheels. Wiping these things down should never turn a rag turn black. The more absent these telltale signs are, the more likely the car has higher miles. A paper trail to the original owner would be nice & is a pretty big deal deal if you want to find out for sure.

Could be 104K, 204K, or even had an instrument cluster swap at some point. Without knowing the history, its a crapshoot. Whats listed for miles & reading dates on the title?

It does look like an oem floor mat on the passengers side. Those never held up for long on the drivers side.

Leospade88

It's so hard to tell but I know the car sat for a long time ... I'll take some better pictures later today I just bought the car yesterday so I haven't had a chance to even wash it

sofakingdom

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Show pictures of stuff that isn't the shiny things out in the open.

Underside of engine and transmission showing bottom of bell housing area, front spindles looking at the back from underneath, front of gas tank looking rearward from rear end tunnel, etc.

Paint jobs, seat swaps, regular cleaning, indoor parking, and all that, can keep the shiny stuff deceptively young-looking. OTOH I know of very few cars where anyone has ever cleaned the accumulated grime and dirt off of the top of the front control arms in the middle of the spring, or the leaked rear end grease off of the drive shaft tunnel above the pinion seal. (other than when they were removed for other work)

On a completely different note, what difference does the mileage make? The condition of the car, as it sits in front of you, and the state of its mechanical parts, is what REALLY matters. Even if it only has 4500 miles on it, but if all the rubber parts are turning to dust and the brakes are rusted solid and it's sat out in the sun for 35 yrs and all the interior plastics are baked to ash and the mice have eaten all the insulation off the wiring, so what?

mantaguy

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What does your New Title say???

okfoz

Some states (Michigan included) do not report miles after the car gets to be something like 10 years old with a new title. More or less they say they do not care, nor will they put it on the title if asked (I tried)

DynoDave43

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Sad, but true.

F-body-fan

Same thing here in Wisconsin. I photo copy everything before registering.
It's demoralizing when you take a low mileage, one owner survivor here & get the title back saying "exempt" in the odometer box. That's why paper documented history is so important to me. Mileage on the odo almost means nothing without it

mantaguy

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WOW!!,didn't know that. Here in NJ and Penn you have to list the mileage when you sell your car. So your saying the OPs car can be sold off as a 4400 mile auto, LEAGALLY, because their is no known mileage kept (on the states info)

F-body-fan

The current mileage still gets listed by the seller on the title in wisconsin, but it doesn't get listed on the new title if the car is over 10 years old. In some cases it will re post the mileage it had when it was last registered under 10 years old with that date tagged. In others it will just say "exempt" with no mileage. not sure why. So I guess there is possibly still a paper trail with documented miles if the DMV keeps a hard, or electronic copy of the old titles. But nothing on the title itself.

asgard815

104k

chazman

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I mean, what about this car would make you believe that it has 4K miles?

KMK454

Even if it is low mileage, I don't think low mileage means anything if the condition isn't excellent. I've seen some strange low-mile cars that were stored poorly or abused and looked worse than the odometer would suggest. Thirdgens aren't like some collector cars where a barn find basket case with low miles brings big bucks...

okfoz

The thing we have now is Carfax and Autocheck. You can verify the miles easily enough with one of those, as long as some moron did not use the 1/10ths digit for miles like they did on mine... Magically my car went something like 51,000 miles in a matter of a month according to Autocheck. .

Drew

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Are you sure it wasn't just these guys?

okfoz

Unless someone rolled back the Odometer by 50,000 miles the next reading...

The worst thing about it, is it happened TWICE!!! you can see where they used the 10ths for the miles...

It is very strange tho, it was like this on Autocheck but not CarFax, the miles all lined up on both (if you can accept driving 50,000 miles in a month) but when I overlaid the two you can see where there was a snafu...

Leospade88

I went under the car this weekend
Engine block looks really good no oil leaks both engine and trans pans aren't all scratched up , up in the head linener by the dome light I found this lil flash light deal that is battery powered that says camaro on it ( never seen one before ) all the door stickers and hood stickers are on perfect condition

okfoz

Here are my Miles Reports.
9-08-89 - 36 - CF
5-15-91 - 2,000 - FC & AC
5-27-94 - 5,000 - CF & AC
5-25-95 - 63,000 - AC
6-05-98 - 7,679 - CF ( NY Inspection for sale)
7-29-98 - 76,500 - AC
6-12-00 - 17,451 - CF
6-05-02 - 21,993 - CF
6-06-03 - 22,555
6-10-03 - 22,585

So clearly you can assume that someone just typed in an extra digit. And I am sure someone did not roll back the Odometer Twice... The wear on the car is so minimal... The paint sucks tho from being in FL.

88IROCvertZ

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It's pretty weird that they didn't have a spot for the 100,000 mile mark on the odometer.. Always bothered me..

For 4K miles if the car was stored the seats should barely be sat in.. The switches would still have the white symbols and writing..

The center console shouldn't have indents from an elbow resting on it..

The gas and brake pedals should look good..

Carpets, factory floor mats..

Trunk? Original spare and Jack?

It seems really doubtful that this is a 4K mile car, but like someone said above.. If the car sat outside for 25 years, has rust and fading paint, needs tires, exhaust, brakes.. Doesn't run and all the seals and gaskets are dust.. You'd be better off buying a well maintained 125k mile car or a restored high mile car..

Low miles are only good if it's a well kept and maintained garaged original car or a museum piece. Sometimes you can even pay a premium for low miles and then still have to put thousands into it because these cars are old and not perfect and parts can be hard to find..

okfoz

That was an option... I have had those before. Neat to have. Just make sure not to break the little tabs when taking apart the flashlight, and remember to change the battery often... I just took my battery out so it would not corrode it all up.

sofakingdom

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Not really; NO cars back then, at least not American ones, had that.

It was actually WEIRD when cars started having it.

Yeah the flashlight was part of the overhead console option. Not sure how many cars came with it, but far more didn't have it, than did.

okfoz

Depending on the year, on the Firebird the Overhead console was part of the package that included the Subwoofer amp & slider. I do not think they were tied together always, but I know at least one year they were.

On the Camaro side

84 - 33274
85 - 23816
86 - 28917
87 - 3366 ??? (87 is probably not right because it did not include cars that got it as part of an option package)

88IROCvertZ

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I know no cars had it back then.. But I always thought even back then it was weird when all my third gen friends would get bummed when our cars rolled to 00000.0

Always wondered why they didn't update the odometer in the 80s.. But back then 100k miles was the end for most people that didn't maintain their cars well.

okfoz

The Firebird got the 6 digit in 1986 with the gage package. The Camaro waited until 1990 when they changed the speedo from Cable to Electronic for some reason... IIRC the 1982 Camaro actually had a 6 digit too... Which I always thought was odd.

((Mike))

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I still have one of those flashlights from my 87 IROC that had the overhead console. The car was stolen and recovered absolutely destroyed. But that little flashlight was still there so I took it before the insurance company took the car.

sofakingdom

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This is true: and oddly enough, the things that took cars off the road back then, were stuff we don't worry about too much today.

One of the worst offenders was gaskets and seals. The old WW2 rubber formulations, Indian Head shellac, CORK, and all the rest of that stuff that just absolutely doesn't last, was usually why cars got junked. That, and of course, rust... cars had ABSOLUTELY NO CORROSION PROTECTION WHATSOEVER back then. The side of all the sheet metal opposite the shiny side was just bare mild steel. The salt would eat holes right through it the first winter.

So yeah, it would have been POINTLESS to add the 100k digit back then; it would NEVER have got past 1, and even if it did, only for a short time, and NO ONE would have had any trouble telling a 4400 mile car from a 104,400 mile one.

okfoz

The Flashlight is the only part I can think of off the top of my head that serves the same exact function, fits in the exact same hole, works the exact same way but have different part numbers depending on whether or not it was a Firebird or Camaro... Today they would just slap "GM" on it or nothing at all and be done. I guess back then they cared about details... With that said I am not sure if there was any other car in history that came with its own flashlight...

88IROCvertZ

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My 85 Z28 had the flashlight.. I should have kept it! It's pretty strange for a car to come with that.

yo soy el warg

I've got about a dozen of these overhead consoles and the flashlights are usually missing. Of the ones I have that are complete and original the Firebird overehead consoles have flashlights that say Firebird on the light and the Camaro ones say Camaro on them. Never noticed that detail!

JonBlake

I notice that the hand brake is way up at an angle. The only time I've seen brake handles like that is when the brakes are worn all the way down. I'd have to agree this car is over 200,000 miles. I'd say the odometer turned over at least two times. Maybe I'm wrong and it only turned over once. But 100,000 miles isn't all that much for a third gen I don't think. What year is that car anyways? The gauges make me think it's an early to mid 80's, especially the speedo. Only goes up to 80/90mph? Seems like that would be a early to mid-80's third gen.

JonBlake

Another real big thing that took a lot of these cars off the roads prematurely was the fact that so many people were stacking them up at a pretty high rate. I remember going to local junk yards years ago as a kid with my father and seeing third gens totaled with less then 50K to 75K on the clock.

mantaguy

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Don't forget "CASH FOR CLUNKERS" they were PRIME for that program

JonBlake

That program was a big loser/failure. But the majority of people who participated in it weren't really into cars, just into the idea that they could make a quick easy buck crushing their old car.

okfoz

Cash For Clunkers did not see many 3rd gens.
604 Camaros
1 TTA
125 Firebirds, Trans Am, Formula, GTA

I got the list just after they did the program.

The most popular cars for Cash for clunkers was the Ford Explorers from 94-99

JonBlake

Whoever that 1 TTA owner was, they need a good azz whippin.

okfoz

I could see doing it if it was rear ended and totaled, but able to be driven, switch engines with a 4bbl, and take all the goodies off for another car then junk it. I would love to find a wrecked TTA but complete and in running order for a project Formula...

DynoDave43

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Is it known WHICH TTA is was? Which #?

okfoz

No, it is not that specific, it just has the Vehicle Category (Truck or Passenger Car), Make, Model, Year and a count of how many. It would be nice to have a complete VIN list... BUt I doubt they would have that.

** edit **
I would be interested in the actual full list with VINS if that was even possible. Might gleam some interesting tidbits...

Stuart S

Where are the pictures of the rest of this car (original post)?