cosmick

So, I'm not happy about spacing the whole subframe down, mostly just to get the truck fuel rail to clear the wiper motor. I may have found something that can be adapted, maybe after modifying it.
http://www.stylintrucks.com/parts/a1...id=43515382686.
May prove far cheaper than finding a used LS1 intake for $ 150+
Especially the second pic. I'd start with a salvage yard one for $ 5 for testing the idea before committing to a new one.

five7kid

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It's a single-speed motor. If you can live with that, and can mount it up, and the sweep is correct, maybe.

cosmick

OK, maybe not that exact unit. I printed the pic, popped my hood, and it looks to have other issues, even if I drill new mounting holes. Still, next trip to the self-service salvage yards, I'll be looking at every different GM I can find, and maybe some other makes.

cosmick

"Life is what happens while you're making other plans" -unknown.
So now my S-10's 2.5 is knocking, I bought a thirsty '91 dually, and it's time to put my stock 4.8L in the S-10, then bolt my other 4.8 into my '86 Camaro.
So now I want some input. I'm asking for comments.
I'm seriously considering building my own headers for the 4.8s, and I believe I can buy LSx flanges and SBC tube kits, do a bit of extra cutting and welding, and make it work.
But I'm not finding much about trying to combine long-tubes with turbocharging. Good or bad? Why? Links?
I think 600 HP would be more than enough for a street 2WD S-10 on 275s on 19x10s. I still want the Camaro to make 1200 HP, still because Richard Holdener showed that a stock bottom end can hold that much power.
I'm thinking 1.625" for the S-10, and no clue for the Camaro, but Holdener used BBK tubular manifolds for a truck, so 1.75" should be adequate.
Also, I'm just getting confused about what injectors to plan on for 1200 HP. The more I research, the less I know. And it's hard for me to admit. Some times I even think I should plan to run 16 smaller injectors.
All I'm sure of is a 4L80E, 3.08:1 gears, and 345/35R19s on 12s for the final testing. For daily use, 325/30R19s on 12s.
My modified truck pan is staying with the Camaro, as are the exhaust manifolds for annual emissions inspection. I'm prepared to fit the manifolds one day every year. I think they can't support the HP goal.
The only stock manifolds that fit the S-10 are '98-'99 Z28, and they're proving impossible to find at any price.
I'm about to order the GM "Musclecar retrofit" H3A pan kit, and another pair of the Trans-dapt mounting brackets, for the S-10, sometime next week.
In both cases, will putting the turbo before the cat(s) help or hurt the cat(s)? I'm not finding much about that either. Are the OEMs doing it that way now?
Oh, and the S-10 has a 3.08:1-geared Explorer axle now, and is getting my 4L60E. The Camaro is getting an 8.8 from an '01 Mustang GT.

cosmick

OK, I found the '98 z28 exhaust manifolds, I found high-impedence EV1 injectors in my choice of 850, 1000, or even 1300 cc / min from Injector Dynamics, but they aren't cheap.

cosmick

Just ordered a set of GM 12613412 50-lb/hr injectors for turbo'ing my stock 4.8L, I'll post how they work out.

cosmick

Seems noone is following this, but if I am wrong, and I hope I am, I need comments.
I can't find an affordable baseline tune to get to the chassis dyno. I'm not wasting $400, that's unnecessary and unfair. I can do MS2 for less, even though it means no 4L60E nor 4L80E.
Can anyone sell me a copy of a similar tune? Stock '01 4.8 with 50# injectors, 4L60E, 2075-stall, T70-0.81 A/R,

Pocket

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Every dyno Ive gone to is more than happy to load a base tune to get the car there, often for free

cosmick

Probably true in Cali, Miami, Dallas, etc, but not around here. The biggest name we have, he doesn't even unlock the VATS. Won't say if he's using HPTuners or EFILive or LS1Edit. But he has no competitors within 100 miles.
Then I don't even know who in SLC to start with.
Sucks to live in the exact geometric center of nowhere.
Anyone else with anything more real-world? Please!!!

Ozz1967

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Your in Salt Lake city?

cosmick

Thanks anyway guys.
For now it seems I'm forced to just let the turbo and injectors wait, and use a JETchip speedometer recalibrator module between my VSS and my PCM.
Meanwhile, I'm back to making some progress on my more serious 4.8L for my '86 Camaro.

cosmick

So the LSx S-10 thing doesn't fit as advertised, NO exhaust manifold clears on the driver's side. Therefore I'm reassembling this Camaro as far as possible, with the 4.8L LSx, and then selling it, as I just got a 4th gen to drive. Anyone interested?

Ozz1967

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Cosmick,

I'm not sure if you're aware or not of Premier Performance down on redwood road in SLC. It's where just about everyone in the Utah Muscle Car Association goes is they have issues they can't resolve on their own. Not sure if this is the guy who you're talking about or not.

Anyway, hope this helps!

Ozz1967

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Cosmick,

Check out:
Salt Lake Third Gens on Facebook

Utah Muslcecar Association on facebook

and

Utah F-Body association

They might be able to help you out.

cosmick

Already got the LR4 back in this '86 Camaro, gonna try for a '93-'97 LT1 for the S-10. I'm also going to offer my set of new, GM, 50 # / hr injectors for $100. They're good to 581 HP at 80% duty cycle.

cosmick

Possible reprieve for this, I normally procrastinate my taxes, but I'm getting a refund this year.

cosmick

http://forum.camarov6.com/showthread.php?t=107082

cosmick

Took until now to discover the Jeep Cherokee steering shaft, so now my S-10 LSx swap can be saved. Just upset noone ever told me, on any of those forums. Anyway, this 4.8 is staying in this Camaro, and if I use 26.6" tires I can run 3.55:1 gears in my 8.8" with no speedometer recalibration necessary. ( It was for 3.42:1 with 25.6" ) Better 300 HP than a non-running car, right?

cosmick

Meanwhile, I'm selling my new LS9 cam for $60, and my new ARP rod bolts for $50. Just placed ads on ls1tech. I just can't see paying over $400 for a custom dyno tune, and noone sells a "canned" tune for a similar parts combo. So big HP will have to wait many years. Double dammit.

Ozz1967

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Dude, don't sell. Just wait and hold on to your stuff. $50 a month into savings means in the fall, you can have it dynoed! Just in time to park it for the snow! haha

cosmick

Thanks Ozz! Call me stupid, , but I drive my 'maros year around. Mostly because I can't afford the wide tires I want. So wide they don't come in all-season versions.
Right now I'm trying to get this '94 Camaro through inspection before my temp tag expires, then I'm trying to get this '83 RX-7 ready for the annual Cruise-In, hoping when people see how far past bolt-ons I can go, and how much less than a pro shop I charge, it'll let me switch to self-employed. Then my '86 Camaro 4.8L even running at any power level is third, so my 4.8L '87 S-10 must be fourth. Then, if the world hasn't ended yet by that time, I want to put a 4.8L and a 4L80E and a Sterling 9.75" axle in my '94 Camaro. After all that, swap a 4L80E and my 8.8" Ford axle into my '86 Camaro. I know my plans have been changing too much, but these last 2 years I've been blindsided by too many seriously staggering blows to my earnings.

To me, the only difference between selling the cam and rod bolts, or trying to sell a 7.5" axle is that the axle isn't worth anything, while none of these 3 fit my plans.

Ozz1967

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Glad to help!

If they truly don't fit into any of your plans, then sell away. I just hate to see people buy something with a plan, only to sell it 3-6 months later without getting to it because life got in the way.

You've got wayy to much on your plate to be honest.

What's wrong with the 94?

What's left on the RX-7?

Which of the two needs to get done first? Honestly, the 94 because it needs tags to be driveable. But, if you don't need to drive it, then the RX-7 because that will help you in the long run business-wise.

Everything else can wait because it's not "Necessary", at least so far as related to what you've posted so far.

cosmick

The 94 is about to be my daily, so I can stop borrowing a thirsty E150.

The RX-7 is worth glancing through 4 pages of pics: http://www.rx7club.com/build-threads...-more-1072610/

cosmick

I always wanted a big block car, thought I could also gear it for 20 MPG, and maybe pass the emissions sniffer if I tried it someplace that doesn't look under the hood. I still want a '96-'00 Vortec 7400 with mild porting and a cam, in front of a built 700R-4.
I started this 4800 LSx with ideas of lighter weight, able to pass an underhood inspection, turbo it past the limits of traction on 315 drag radials, and 30+ MPG.
But all along I never stopped wanting the mighty 7400.
I remember GM showing a pair of '93 Z28s with big block swaps, but even so, I'm thinking I should do the 7400 in my '86 Camaro, then put a 4.8 in my '94 Camaro.

Because Ozz reminded me how much I've wasted, time and effort, sweat and money, on things I lost interest in. I've always known that was dumb, but getting over-invested blinded me. I let it. Maybe this is my chance to have my cake and eat it too. Now I just need to find a 7400. I scored one 3 years ago, but it wasn't for me, then I missed one a year ago. They're scarce, especially in the yards where they're $250 complete, except the dizzy was missing both times.

cosmick

I'm ending my part in this thread; I found and ordered a Cherokee steering shaft to get this 4.8 into my S-10, my other 4.8 will end up in my '94 Camaro, and I want a '96-'00 Vortec 7400 in this car.
Thanks for the help, especially Cam and Ozz.

cosmick

Change of plans. I did the math, decided to keep this as is and reassemble all the progress I've made so far.
I'm reassembling my other 4.8L to go in my S-10 with my SM465 and my 2.73:1 gears for my Exploder 8.8". See, my S-10 is going to end up with a Cherokee front axle, so it's already sporting some 245/75R16s on the rear.
I just sold my GMPP Musclecar oilpan kit to buy a used stock LQ9 cam, that alone should put the S-10 over 300 HP.
Anyway, I'm getting this Camaro running the exact way I had the PCM programmed for, and I'll just get another PCM for the S-10. Likewise, I'm not transferring any other parts I got for the 4.8 Camaro 270-horse build to the S-10. Realized that I'm too close to having both of them daily-driveable and emissions legal. Besides, it'll be good to keep a point of reference.
I've really shaved smooth the top of my second intake manifold, and re-routed its fuel crossover, so that'll end up getting copied. Pics by tuesday.

cosmick

Not that I believe anyone is all that interested, but I felt like posting an update: I still have this Camaro, and I still have a 4.8, which is now partially reassembled on my engine stand, with an '02 Z28 cam, and a steel oilpan I fabricated myself. Gotta finish porting the heads, get some Z06 springs, get some FelPros and some head bolts, then I can button it up. This time around it'll be a manual, or at least a 4L80E. But I have a flywheel, with ARPs, and a pilot bushing. Finding an '88 T5WC with mech speedo and 2.95 first for under $200 is still a challenge, but still possible around here.

R13_Braz

Glad to see you are still sticking with it!

cosmick

My new step-son wants to do something unique, so he'll be starting his first thread on a V10 from a Ram 2500 into this car. The 4.8 is going into my '87 S-10 after all.

customblackbird

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Just wanted to let you know there are plenty of tuners on ebay that charge $40-70 for a tune that will dissable your VATS, edit fan temps etc. Not sure they will change the injector rates etc.

ALso the cheerokee shaft that you have can also be done with an astro van steering shaft. Thats what I did with mine.

cosmick

Thanks, found that on Pirate4x4, while reading up on using the Astro-van Pitman arm for the SFA swap. I used to use GMTuners for my PCM unlocking and baseline tuning, but he became untrustworthy so I used LT1Swap for my most recent tune, an L36 into an '83 RX-7, and I'm happy with the result.
There's a small chance this swap may be back on again, after missing out on trading my '94 Camaro for an '88 Volvo 240DL Estate, I found a '95 S-Blazer. If I get that, then I no longer need my S-10 pickup, my MIL just bought a '95 Ranger. So if these guys can find the ignition key to the Blazer, then I can save my Explorer axle and my 4.8 then scrap my S-10.

cosmick

I probably won't contribute anything more to swapping truck LSx parts into a third-gen, but since I still plan to get this thing both running and turbocharged for under $1000, I may yet add that to this thread.
It's in my '87 S-10, originally 2WD getting converted to 4x4 with a high-pinion, non-CAD Dana 30 solid front axle from a Jeep Cherokee, but the '98 Z28 exhaust manifolds are relevant as they do fit in my '86 Camaro. The exhaust will be routed differently for the chassis differences, but still dual 2.25" into single 3", which can be done to a third gen.
I finished shaving my '01 truck intake, pics ASAP, I installed a used '04 LS1 / LQ9 cam, I gotta finish porting the heads, pics ASAP, and I'm porting the oil pump and the TB. I got a MAF from a Cadillac Northstar, still need a new set of Z06 valvesprings.
This might reach 350 HP without the turbo, I'm going with a single 70 mm. Part of this may belong in tuning, part in power adder, but surely something fits here.
It's bolted to a SM465, which is as unbreakable as any trans can be, and a Ford 31-spline 8.8" rear axle, then a set of 265/75R16 tires. Traction won't be a problem.

customblackbird

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I'm def interested in seeing how the intake turned out. Its alot of work to shave them and make them look good. Maybe you could post pics of how to port the oil pump? and where you port the head for increased flow?

I got my blue Z06 valve springs from summit, GMPP kit is like $60 for all 16. used the cheap $15 Ebay LS valve spring compressor tool and it worked like a charm. Super easy compared to a SBC. Had both sides done doing 1 at a time in less than 2 hrs.

Got pics of the rear? I swapped in a crown vic 28 spline axle ford 8.8 into my firebird like 5 years ago... still haven't broken it and its been as quick as 12.1 at 115mph. 265/75r16 tires are tall and not that wide lol... your going to break those loose lol. Ive broken loose my MT 295/65r15 street radials at the track with about 550fwhp and would smoke 315/35r17 street tires pretty easily.

Make sure you put a tall gear in the rear for the turbo motor... 2.73-3.55 is the range. I actually just chucked some ford 3.08 gears the other day. I currently run 3.55 and thats prob alittle low for my supercharged 5.3.

cosmick

I had an '01 Mustang GT 8.8" 28-spline 3.27:1 Traction-Lock axle for my '86 Camaro, but I sold that. I swapped an Explorer 8.8" under the S-10. It currently has 2.73:1 gears, but there's no match for the D30 that I haven't swapped yet. I can either get a low-pinion D30, or go 3.08:1, or get a 5-speed. My SM465 in my S-10 doesn't yet have the 1.5" input shaft installed, and is the 2WD version. I won't have traction problems once it is true 4WD.
But I stopped my 4.8 / '86 Camaro build for the cost of a tune to go with a turbo 4.8, but now I've found a work-around.
I bought the Trans=Dapt swap brackets for putting an LSx in a 2WD S-10 built with a 2.8L V6, but my '87 S-10 was built with the 2.5L 4-cylinder. It didn't come with holes in the frame for the 2.8L mounts, so I spot-welded a new pair of 2.8 mounts to the truck after bolting them to the 4.8 and setting the 4.8 in place. So now my S-10 won't accept any other engine than an LSx. That's why the 4.8 isn't going back into my '86 Camaro.
Around SLC, UT, the cost for any used LSx, whether 4.8 or 5.3, has climbed from $300 to way more than $500, so I'm not getting another one. I'll just settle for a 350 in my '86 Camaro. I can get an L31 Vortec 350 for under $200 complete.
As for the SM465, well, I have it, it's unbreakable, and I have nothing else the SM465 fits, and no other trans for my S-10, so there I bolted it.

cosmick

Dunno why I feel a need to post, but this is relevant, as I still have a third gen, I still have an '01 4.8L LSx V8, and I now have something I thought I'd never score: a 2WD-version 4L80E.
As I did with my L30-spec integral-bellhousing '97 4L60E ( applies to all V8-spec 700R-4s and all integral-bellhousing, V8-spec 4L60Es ) ( and 4.3L V6 versions of both ) I'm using another ATP Z-270 flexplate, it comes with the spacer and the longer bolts. It has provisions for a 6-bolt torque converter, and that's what I happened to get.
My 4L80E came from a '99 C3500 7.4L, and that engine is going in my '86 Camaro, because on 1/1/17 it will be legal here. So my 4.8L is going in my '94 Camaro as that is already legal here. But the '86 is getting my 700R-4, so I bolted the 4L80E to the 4.8L
The 4.8 can be turbo'ed to 1200 HP, and the 4L80E can be built to hold 1200 HP. The '94 can tuck 17x11s on 315/35s under all 4 corners. If I ever go that far, I'll get TCI's SFI flexplate and an aftermarket torque converter. For now, my 4.8 just has self-ported heads and the last version of the GM LS1/LQ9 cam, so the low stall of the 7.4L torque converter shouldn't be entirely undriveable. Especially with my 3.23:1 gears in my '94