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Re: BADNBLK's 91 Z28 LS1 swap... Long time coming

Even though I was only able to drive mine for 28 miles before it blew, I can tell you the difference between the 305 and just my 4.8 is staggering. The 305 is a torque-y little thing, but I was never satisfied with it. My latest iteration of the 4.8 is going to be a monster compared to it.

Low miles just mean a little more $$ from someone that needs it. Even stock, the LS1 and truck motors, let alone the LS3, are world's ahead of the SBC.
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Eventhough you are swapping for an LS, how is the 305 holding up? Any issues? I am just looking for insight on my 305. As I was looking for an LS3 swap. But I cant really justify it with low miles on the original engine.
Runs good! Actually really good for what it is. It is really starting to leak oil from everywhere, and has some blowbye after heavy high rpm beating. It will never compare to LS power though...

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Even though I was only able to drive mine for 28 miles before it blew, I can tell you the difference between the 305 and just my 4.8 is staggering. The 305 is a torque-y little thing, but I was never satisfied with it. My latest iteration of the 4.8 is going to be a monster compared to it.

Low miles just mean a little more $$ from someone that needs it. Even stock, the LS1 and truck motors, let alone the LS3, are world's ahead of the SBC.
You're right on the LS comparo. I'm gonna re-seal my lil 305 and dump it all into my sport coupe. It will make a great first project car for my son if I can keep my own hands off it enough to let him play with it lol
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Re: BADNBLK's 91 Z28 LS1 swap... Long time coming

How do you like the Ground Control weight jacks? I installed the UMI rear coilover kit and am thinking about Steve Spohn's coilover kit for the front end. How does that compare to weight jacks?
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How do you like the Ground Control weight jacks? I installed the UMI rear coilover kit and am thinking about Steve Spohn's coilover kit for the front end. How does that compare to weight jacks?
Love them! The car is really stays really flat and bites hard. I got this thing sitting low, so the looks are pretty damn mean too! Personally I will end up converting to a rear coil over set up at some point when I mini-tub for wider rear tires. The front coil over will get in the way of running a wider tire. I'm not sure if my 275's would fit with a coil over, so its a no go for me at this time. The ride quality is pretty good too even considering I went with a 1050# front, and 275# rear spring. I would recommend them to anyone!
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Yeah I'm thinking about the Ground Control kit with yellow Koni's on the front. I'm just concerned about getting the whole suspension dialed in for my occasionally aggressive driving style.
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Yeah I'm thinking about the Ground Control kit with yellow Koni's on the front. I'm just concerned about getting the whole suspension dialed in for my occasionally aggressive driving style.
Hell l'm still dialing mine in haha!

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Has nothing to do with my LS swap, but I won first place at the Denver Super Chevy show....

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Has nothing to do with my LS swap, but I won first place at the Denver Super Chevy show....



A better shot of the brake cooling ducts!


The winners!!!!
Those are two SICK A** Camaros. I am torn with keeping mine stock, or going the "All out" route.
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Has nothing to do with my LS swap, but I won first place at the Denver Super Chevy show....

I guess you like the stickers!

Did you get any contingency prizes!!
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I so want that sticker. Not even for the car. But... Just to have it!
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Dude I love that 'Z'. And yes with the teal
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Re: BADNBLK's 91 Z28 LS1 swap... Long time coming

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Those are two SICK A** Camaros. I am torn with keeping mine stock, or going the "All out" route.
Go all out stock! Make it look as if factory installed. Best of both worlds?

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I guess you like the stickers!

Did you get any contingency prizes!!
It sure is different driving it with all the additional attention the stickers create. I have never installed a sticker on my car until recently so yeah its been kinda a fun change. As for showing them with it, there is logical reasoning behind it. Just incase the stickers damaged my paint when removed, this is the only show I cared about this season, so no sense finding that out before the show lol. No additional prizes. Lots of pictures, and the little kids seemed to like it even more haha!

Originally Posted by Stauf


I so want that sticker. Not even for the car. But... Just to have it!
www.watsonstickers.com Pretty sure that is the site.

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Dude I love that 'Z'. And yes with the teal
Thanks brother! Motivation to keep making it better!
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Congrats! Nice looking ride. Those custom shop vac attachments for your brake cooling system turned out sick!! LOL j.k (Remember?)

For real tho, nice job man, nice job.
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Not that I'm looking for mana**, I love looking over these machines...

But really, can you explain what is that dude doing (besides showing his a**) in the pic where you guys are holding your trophies?/placards?

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Not that I'm looking for mana**, I love looking over these machines...

But really, can you explain what is that dude doing (besides showing his a**) in the pic where you guys are holding your trophies?/placards?
Hahaha! Yeah that is one of my long time friends that "buttbombed" us... Of course nobody noticed for us to take a non-butt photo... so as I told him I would post that **** everywhere... lol
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Congrats! Nice looking ride. Those custom shop vac attachments for your brake cooling system turned out sick!! LOL j.k (Remember?)

For real tho, nice job man, nice job.
Good old shop vac attachments worked out pretty good. Got people wanting to buy them so I must have done something correctly. lol!
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Been following this on FB a bit to, nice to see some huskey guys like myself !
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Been following this on FB a bit to, nice to see some huskey guys like myself !
I'm getting old, and I don't chase it anymore... kinda letting my self go lol! Glad your following along man. I don't post too much on FB about what all I'm doing. The peanut gallery sometimes will chime in about prices of things I'm doing, then my wife starts asking questions. lol... for real! haha
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ur car is bad to the bone man
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I'm glad I am not the only old fat fart doing this.
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ur car is bad to the bone man
Thanks brother! Love your car too, so there

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I'm glad I am not the only old fat fart doing this.
Who you calling old?! Haha! I try to feel young as much as I can
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I'm glad I am not the only old fat fart doing this.
Ditto
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Well I haven't made much progress on getting this installed. I bought another convertible and have been busy showing and racing this thing.

After talks from some friends with more experience than I... I ordered up an Improved Racing trap door style oil pan baffle for my fbody pan. I don't see me racing this car any less with the new motor and I wanna make sure it keeps oil pressure as much as possible no matter how long or tight the turn is.

http://www.improvedracing.com/oil-pa...ffle-p-30.html
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Well, I would like to thank you for doing practically everything I was planning on doing to my T/A... Our $ is at like .76 US so I'm not buying anything until that changes.
Planning on an AI set up, long tubes, and will likely use my LS6 intake, I like your valve covers and coil relocation kit so I might steal that idea lol. I'm assuming you're also getting a better fuel pump? Using 4th gen tank?

I'll be doing C5 brakes, and I'll be building an 8.8 hybrid. I have this noise when I'm really on it, and I swear it sounds like the gear teeth chattering... Keeps me from going all out to the floor, which even with a stock LS1 is a blast!
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Well, I would like to thank you for doing practically everything I was planning on doing to my T/A... Our $ is at like .76 US so I'm not buying anything until that changes.
Planning on an AI set up, long tubes, and will likely use my LS6 intake, I like your valve covers and coil relocation kit so I might steal that idea lol. I'm assuming you're also getting a better fuel pump? Using 4th gen tank?

I'll be doing C5 brakes, and I'll be building an 8.8 hybrid. I have this noise when I'm really on it, and I swear it sounds like the gear teeth chattering... Keeps me from going all out to the floor, which even with a stock LS1 is a blast!

Hey your welcome! haha! Yes I have a Racetronix set up with the hotwire kit sitting in a box waiting patiently. I'm not building for emissions or anything, so I am actually going to keep my 3rd gen tank.
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Well after a discussion with a fellow road racer/autocrosser I was advised that the factory windage tray in the LS1's are know for starvation on heavy corners, especially long sweeping corners... Welp went a head and ordered a problem solver for that.

Improved Racing trap door style windage tray. So the pan is coming back off. Better now while its still on the stand than in the car

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Re: BADNBLK's 91 Z28 LS1 swap... Long time coming

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Well after a discussion with a fellow road racer/autocrosser I was advised that the factory windage tray in the LS1's are know for starvation on heavy corners, especially long sweeping corners... Welp went a head and ordered a problem solver for that.

Improved Racing trap door style windage tray. So the pan is coming back off. Better now while its still on the stand than in the car
Learn from our blown engines. That motor had other issues as a used motor but the learning went into bulletproofing the new build. If we get another shot at the high bank NASCAR oval, we'll be there.

You really should consider their thermostat controlled oil cooler block and an Accusump if you plan on racing it hard without converting to a dry sump style system though.
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How is the installation of the windage tray? Any pics.
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How is the installation of the windage tray? Any pics.
There are 6 or 7 bolts that hold the tray in the pan. Remove them from the factory piece, pull the factory tray out, insert the new tray and put the bolts back in. Pretty simple with the engine out of the car where it's easy to remove the pan.
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Learn from our blown engines. That motor had other issues as a used motor but the learning went into bulletproofing the new build. If we get another shot at the high bank NASCAR oval, we'll be there.

You really should consider their thermostat controlled oil cooler block and an Accusump if you plan on racing it hard without converting to a dry sump style system though.
Well I'm good with not having to have a learning mistake on my hands, and the benefit of learning from yours. Thanks buddy!

I would love too, but just not in the cards right now. I have a lot of other projects on my hands, but might be a good addition in the future. I don't plan on racing full time, but if there is an event within a few hours I will probably be there.

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How is the installation of the windage tray? Any pics.
I have taken it out to the box 3 times to get started, and somehow keep working on my convertible... The problem with having more than one lol! Tom's description is pretty much what I plan on!

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There are 6 or 7 bolts that hold the tray in the pan. Remove them from the factory piece, pull the factory tray out, insert the new tray and put the bolts back in. Pretty simple with the engine out of the car where it's easy to remove the pan.
YEP!
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Started laying out the plug wires to cut for custom length with the coil relocation...

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Lookin' nice I like it. Enjoying this while watching Street Outlaws. Cool huh...
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Digging the engine tho
Nice upgrades
Looks like you need some wider front wheels 10.5 !!!
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Lookin' nice I like it. Enjoying this while watching Street Outlaws. Cool huh...
Thanks bro! I like that show too, so yeah... Cool! haha

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Digging the engine tho
Nice upgrades
Looks like you need some wider front wheels 10.5 !!!
Wheel upgrades is something that is on my list, but not really realistic at this point. I gotta earn so more Daddy money to be able to think about doing that... Trust me I want too!
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Oh I know lol my son just turned 1 lol

Very nice engine build tho

I been saving my pennies as well lol
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Oh I know lol my son just turned 1 lol

Very nice engine build tho

I been saving my pennies as well lol
Fun time in both our houses then Thank you. I was gonna just power it out and get the swap done, but I'm planning and saving to hopefully have "done it right, and done it once".
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I agree looks good so far
Can't wait to get back into the game again
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Sweet build! Looking very good. I wish I had the room you do in your shop. Maybe one day...
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I agree looks good so far
Can't wait to get back into the game again
Thanks! Get on it bruh

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Sweet build! Looking very good. I wish I had the room you do in your shop. Maybe one day...
Thank you. Itching to get really going on it. Stack of parts and motor in the corner is driving me nuts. I wish I could buy time haha! I wish my garage at home was this big.
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Still making things pretty....







I love the color contrasts. What kind of paint are you using for the engine pieces?
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I love the color contrasts. What kind of paint are you using for the engine pieces?
Thanks. Still unsure if I like having the teal on the motor or not? I had napa whip up some of my teal color and put it in a can for me, and the rest is Eastwood 2k paints.
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I like it!
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Thanks. Still unsure if I like having the teal on the motor or not? I had napa whip up some of my teal color and put it in a can for me, and the rest is Eastwood 2k paints.

I like the teal on the motor. If you would have done the whole block like you were thinking, that might have been a bit much. This makes it look real sharp. I say keep it.
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I like the teal on the motor. If you would have done the whole block like you were thinking, that might have been a bit much. This makes it look real sharp. I say keep it.
Well the plan is its gonna be there, so I guess we will see how it looks all together. Yeah the teal block, heads, accessories would have been crazy. Pretty sure keeping this clean will be a pain enough haha!
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I like it!
Thanks Brotha!
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I like the scheme you've got going.
I was concerned with the paint not allowing the coils to cool down enough (I am assuming the thick metal piece is a heat sink) so I didn't paint mine... But maybe I will.
Also now pretty sure I'm doing a coil relocation as well, I've seen it a few times and I like the look... I still have a few too many projects to finish up and I'm moving in the spring to a new province with different vehicle inspection rules.

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