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Hah. I already have a 2012 trx 250 and a trx400x . Got snow toys and spring,summer,fall toys covered. Lol
i didnt get **** done , dam daily driver needed a tuneup and some diagnostics to try to figure out what was wrong with it and now were supposed to get more snow tonight and tom , got some new toys on the way that xr250r , and me and my friend dug out one of his old frankenstien creations
quad with a cut and extended frame with a snowmobile engine on it , might be pulling the snowmobile engine and cut it back up and try to stuff a sbc on it for the hell of it
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Gotta hand it to ya Dave, whenever I was late with the updates the crap throwing would immediately commence. However here in this thread it's all good, and people have the patience of saints lol. Wish you the best of luck with the new project above bro...
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Gotta hand it to ya Dave, whenever I was late with the updates the crap throwing would immediately commence. However here in this thread it's all good, and people have the patience of saints lol. Wish you the best of luck with the new project above bro...
he's switched and swapped so many things i cant even remember whats in there anymore. im pretty much in awe how much work he gets done though, i could never do so much in so little time. i would love to see this car make a pass or something just to see how everything winds up working together and how long the budget motor lasts.

street, l will say that most of the crap gettin slung was just off the title of your thread. when you said 9 second 305 it was a lot to live up to, and pretty much nobody really expected it to go that fast. right off the bat you were talking to non believers.
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street, l will say that most of the crap gettin slung was just off the title of your thread. when you said 9 second 305 it was a lot to live up to, and pretty much nobody really expected it to go that fast. right off the bat you were talking to non believers.
Gotta agree with you regarding that, the numbers 305 doesn't sit well with a lot of people. Will say this about Chinese turbo's though bro, was telling RBob recently too, was driving the car when the engine started acting up, I was a little ways from home so I had no choice, I had to keep driving. Anyways, I got to the driveway, popped the hood, and the turbo stopped spinning completely. I was feeling a whole load of exhaust back pressure on the way back. Anyways, took the turbo off, and there was no shaft play, no in/out, no side/side, none. However, it wouldn't spin even with my fingers forcing the wheels. Took the shaft off, pulled the thrust bearing with collars out, held the collars with my fingers with thrust bearing sandwiched in between them (360 bearing), and both pieces of the collar were no longer hitting, they were resting on the thrust bearing, and the bearing looked badly scored. Ordered a thrust bearing kit, and she's back to spinning great. Definitely a lesson for you Chinese turbo guys, always check the clearance of the thrust bearing before just slapping it on. Never trust a manufacturer your not too sure of...
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he's switched and swapped so many things i cant even remember whats in there anymore. im pretty much in awe how much work he gets done though, i could never do so much in so little time. i would love to see this car make a pass or something just to see how everything winds up working together and how long the budget motor lasts.

street, l will say that most of the crap gettin slung was just off the title of your thread. when you said 9 second 305 it was a lot to live up to, and pretty much nobody really expected it to go that fast. right off the bat you were talking to non believers.
it will this summer , the problem is im making really good money now so i keep buying projects and wanting to upgrade and change things , the shop is clear now so ill be getting alot done on the iroc , i need to get the irco done befor emid spring as once riding season gets here i wont wanna be working on the car
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i did get a lil work dont today but it wasnt on the car

im driving in both vids

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it will this summer , the problem is im making really good money now so i keep buying projects and wanting to upgrade and change things , the shop is clear now so ill be getting alot done on the iroc , i need to get the irco done befor emid spring as once riding season gets here i wont wanna be working on the car
I started putting the reverse kit in the polaris today and found out I need a special sprocket.. And we're supposed to get 6 more inches of snow tomororw..

Guess I'll spend the day plowing and thinking of my e-trans swap.


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Hahaha Project you are the man! nothing better then hobbies getting in the way of hobbies! What do you do for a living if you dont mind me asking? Always wonder how others feed there fun... Im a heavy mechanic that works on fire trucks for the city of littleton CO.

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Hahaha Project you are the man! nothing better then hobbies getting in the way of hobbies! What do you do for a living if you dont mind me asking? Always wonder how others feed there fun... Im a heavy mechanic that works on fire trucks for the city of littleton CO.
a few things actually , i manage the books at a gym ,do a bunch of welding and machine work on my friends farm , but im making the most money being heavily involved with some bitcoin companys
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well i didnt buy the cheeta shifter
i got one of these instead
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also worked on the bike , rode it around for a lil while and then some dirt or something from the tank got into the left carb and hung the float wide open
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might have to paint the car the same color i painted the bike
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still working on the bike , its getting turbocharged just started to mock it back up today
in about 1-1.5 weeks ill get back on the car since im waiting on one more thing that needs to go threw the shop first

updated picks of the bike
frame and engine painted



mocked up with the body panels



of course i had to spray some flake on the tank



and im going to grab another set of wheels so i can have real street tires for it




other then that i have an extended polished aluminum swingarm of an xr200r comming, and swaping the rear 17" wheel for an 18", along with a set of short style smoked led blinkers
the turbo will be an rbhv31 turbo set at 14 psi , with ablow threw carb setup , if the blow threw doesnt work its getting fuel inection with a microsquirt

stock it makes 34hp/24ftlbs who knows what it will make with 14 psi


i really have way to many projects
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still working on the bike , its getting turbocharged just started to mock it back up today

the turbo will be an rbhv31 turbo set at 14 psi , with ablow threw carb setup , if the blow threw doesnt work its getting fuel inection with a microsquirt

stock it makes 34hp/24ftlbs who knows what it will make with 14 psi


i really have way to many projects
Nice looking bike. Where did the hp number come from? It rivals newer engine technology for 250cc engines. I thought the 80s XR250 engines were around 22HP. They only revved to 9K.

That turbo is a little oversized but I think is about as small as you can get. The china ones have been known for broken shafts. You can come across a real one on ebay from time to time.

If you stick with carb, how are you removing timing? Or going E85 or other high octane? The stock CDI does not make timing mods that easy. If you go with Microsquirt you need to trigger it and the CDI is too high a voltage. If you use the VR with the stock trigger bumps (odd shaped teeth) then the VR ckt doesn't work 100% right. Anyway, are you building your own pickup ckt or gonna use a GM HEI module as a pickup and fire an inductive ignition.

I messed with this stuff before. I ended up using a motorcycle inductive ignition box to pickup the timing bumps. Then used digitial signals inside the box to trigger the ecm. This was the most reliable way to do it.

Good Luck. Fun Project!

Also, try googling EFI for motorcyle kits. There is some bolt on kits that are reasonably priced. One of those may be a better deal than piecing it together and resolves the ignition problem. We all know what a hand full carbs and boost can be. I think the bolt on EFI kit is best bang for buck.

Ecotrons boost version 34mm for $600

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Nice looking bike. Where did the hp number come from? It rivals newer engine technology for 250cc engines. I thought the 80s XR250 engines were around 22HP. They only revved to 9K.

That turbo is a little oversized but I think is about as small as you can get. The china ones have been known for broken shafts. You can come across a real one on ebay from time to time.

If you stick with carb, how are you removing timing? Or going E85 or other high octane? The stock CDI does not make timing mods that easy. If you go with Microsquirt you need to trigger it and the CDI is too high a voltage. If you use the VR with the stock trigger bumps (odd shaped teeth) then the VR ckt doesn't work 100% right. Anyway, are you building your own pickup ckt or gonna use a GM HEI module as a pickup and fire an inductive ignition.

I messed with this stuff before. I ended up using a motorcycle inductive ignition box to pickup the timing bumps. Then used digitial signals inside the box to trigger the ecm. This was the most reliable way to do it.

Good Luck. Fun Project!

Also, try googling EFI for motorcyle kits. There is some bolt on kits that are reasonably priced. One of those may be a better deal than piecing it together and resolves the ignition problem. We all know what a hand full carbs and boost can be. I think the bolt on EFI kit is best bang for buck.

Ecotrons boost version 34mm for $600
thanks when i got it i knew i had to o something about the paint , i did a black basecoat then mixe dup some pearl powder in the clear to get the blue pearl love the way it came out

that number comes from ever source i have looked up, even from hondas specs its also the 4 valve engine not the dual valve engine.

the tricky part is this engine used 2 carbs

its low compression so blow threw with high octane or e85 should work ok , im trying to avoid the efi , the ecotrons kit was an option but not sure how tomake it work since i would need 2 injectors and tb's

ive seen the rbhv31 used on 150/200cc stuff so should be ok and witht he amount of hp the engine makes it should have no problems spooling it

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thanks when i got it i knew i had to o something about the paint , i did a black basecoat then mixe dup some pearl powder in the clear to get the blue pearl love the way it came out

that number comes from ever source i have looked up, even from hondas specs its also the 4 valve engine not the dual valve engine.

the tricky part is this engine used 2 carbs

its low compression so blow threw with high octane or e85 should work ok , im trying to avoid the efi , the ecotrons kit was an option but not sure how tomake it work since i would need 2 injectors and tb's

ive seen the rbhv31 used on 150/200cc stuff so should be ok and witht he amount of hp the engine makes it should have no problems spooling it
Check out the Ninja250 kit. It has a dual TB setup 28mm. The crank trigger is different so you would want to have the ECM trigger for a XR250. The ninja has 3 short teeth and 1 long tooth. Not sure what the XR250 has. You can get the kit with dual 25 lb/hr injectors. Although, most of the parts look china flimsy but may be reliable.

I think you are right about the turbo. I had an RHB4 in mind.
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Check out the Ninja250 kit. It has a dual TB setup 28mm. The crank trigger is different so you would want to have the ECM trigger for a XR250. The ninja has 3 short teeth and 1 long tooth. Not sure what the XR250 has. You can get the kit with dual 25 lb/hr injectors. Although, most of the parts look china flimsy but may be reliable.

I think you are right about the turbo. I had an RHB4 in mind.
i havent taken the side cover off the engine yet but i belive it has a single magentic pickup
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i havent taken the side cover off the engine yet but i belive it has a single magentic pickup
I think it has a single bump too. Might be worth asking if they can put together a kit with a turbo single cyl ECM with the ninja kit. I just wonder about the quality of the hardware. The fuel press reg, injectors look pretty cheesy. I wonder about fuel pump reliability.

If you go megasquirt, I would use a motorcyle inductive ign box to trigger the MS. Using a GM HEI module won't give a clean zero crossing point with the long tooth.

If you go carb, can't wait to see how you do it........pitot or small pump with N2O fuel nozzle.
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almost about time to get back on the car
almost got the bike all the way together
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cant wait for the aluminum swingarm to get here so i can polish that and also polish out the forks should look really good

going to ride it this wekeend and then ill start throwing the turbo on it this week , found out that 86-04 xr's have the single carb setup so im going to grab one of those to make doing a blow threw setup much easier
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i got the boke finished and went for a ride , ended uo in hospital , hees my post from another forum since it sucks typing one handed

wrecked it lol i was pushing myself past my skill level and dumped it at about 50-60mph tore upmy ankle and broke my collar bone.
was oout by myself trying to train for some desert races this year , lesson #1 dont ride alone , lesson #2 dont push past ur skill level
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going to be putting the car up for sale/trade as a roller soon , ive decided ive owned way to many f-bodys over the years and i want to build something else for once.

looking for a nice s10/elcamino or monte carlo
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Hit me up with a link to a new build thread when you find your new car?
unfortunatly i think its time , im burnt out on the f-body thats why its been taking me so long to get back to working on it.

i dont know how much of a build it will be , im going to keep my driveline,electronics/fuel system out of the camaro and just drop it in something else.
ive always wanted to build an s10 ever since i was a kid, my uncles buddie had a very badass for the time high 9 low 10second s10. i think i was like 14 at the time and ever since ive always wanted to do one ive just never goten away from the f-bodys
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unfortunatly i think its time , im burnt out on the f-body thats why its been taking me so long to get back to working on it.
Do what I do, just buy a lot of projects and build multiple garages. Makes the wife happy!!


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i dont know how much of a build it will be , im going to keep my driveline,electronics/fuel system out of the camaro and just drop it in something else.
ive always wanted to build an s10 ever since i was a kid, my uncles buddie had a very badass for the time high 9 low 10second s10. i think i was like 14 at the time and ever since ive always wanted to do one ive just never goten away from the f-bodys
Selling anything fbody specific ? Or is it all going as a roller?

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Selling anything fbody specific ? Or is it all going as a roller?

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its going to go less engine , but ill leave the current 700r4 in it , but otherwise complete minus all my electronics and fuel system( will put a walboro 255 back in the tank though) and my new wheels and tires will also come off and ill throw the old centerlines back on it. and ill give the 10pt cage to whoever buys it its prenotched and ready to be welded in

, basically ready to drop in any carb motor , or efi engine with standalone of ur choice as the stock ecm was removed even before i got the car , and i gutted the rest of the factory efi harness out of the car
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Build/take apart/build/take apart/change everything over 2 years then part it out before getting it on the dyno or to the track..... ouch
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Build/take apart/build/take apart/change everything over 2 years then part it out before getting it on the dyno or to the track..... ouch
its sucks and i hate thinking about the time i have in it but the interest is no longer there i am at the shop everyday and stare at the car everytime i walk out the shop door , just no will to drag it inside and finish it , its almost like i dread working on the damn thing.

maybe and just maybe ill drop some sort of stock engine in it and drive it, but i doubt it


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not 100% sure what im doing with it just yet , the lift is deffinaly comming off it , the transfer case may take the abuse form the engine out of the camaro so the whole setup might go in the truck , or i may put a stock engine in it and flip it , and pick up a c5 vette or something

truck had a 4bt in it , but was originally a 350/th350 4wd , which i have
the body is stright and rust free minus the missing grill and front fenders that arent bolted on all the way , with a decent engine in it i could prolly get close to 4,500 for it in this area

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i may have gone full red-neck
I built a white one in 2007. Small cab's though.

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its a nice truck my buddy is selling it so i grabbed it though we havent worked out final price yet but its really cheap , and finished it will bring good money in this area

i just need to decide if i want to keep it or flip it
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You are making me want to part out my thirdgen.

I took my 4th gen convertible out to get fuel the other day, and it handles like 10 million times better than the best thirdgen

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everything is out of the car now,engine/trans , fuel system . ecm/wiring harness, guages etc etc etc.


the red truck is just getting a stock engine , im going put the truck back together clean it up and sell it , im actively hunting down an s10 or g-body to put my engine/turbo and stuff into
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and so it ends.

the cars going to sit im going to build something else, maybe after i build something else i will get back to the car, im really excited to build an s10, or gbody, something i lack when it comes to the f-body anymore
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everyday i see the car all torn apart it makes me sad lol.
anyways i cant find a decent cheap s10/dakota ranger anywere , g-bodys arent easy to come by either.

im not sure whats going to happen but if i dont find something soon to work on i may just fnish the iroc , and if that happens the tear down wasnt for nothing , i had to tear it down to paint it anyways.
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everyday i see the car all torn apart it makes me sad lol.
Just finish the damn thing already lol...
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Oh gawd not another Daddy Dave...

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this is what i want to do now

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Oh gawd not another Daddy Dave...
u cant tell me that u wouldnt drive that ,but anyways i gave up looking for a gbody or mini truck , just nothing good in the entire state

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heh last non iroc related post, but im back on my bike again after my bad wreck, still not supposed to be riding but i did attach the gopro to my helmet today so atleast nextime i crash ill get it on film
need to jet the bike really bad its pig rich and im still itching to put the lil turbo on the damn thing but it really is fast enough , though in this lil vid the fastest i went was around 65mph , though more then fast enough for the loose dirt and gravel i was riding on
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Why don't you just do what everybody here wants to see you do, sell the V8 or put it into something else, and build a turbo V6 for your Camaro. I think I speak for a lot of people here who want to see the return of Daves12secondV6, but with 3.4, 3.5 or 3.9 this time around...
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Why don't you just do what everybody here wants to see you do, sell the V8 or put it into something else, and build a turbo V6 for your Camaro. I think I speak for a lot of people here who want to see the return of Daves12secondV6, but with 3.4, 3.5 or 3.9 this time around...
I support this message. I think Mars needs some competition.
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someday i will for now i have plans to push that stock block 352 as far as i can , i have everything to turbo my bike so thats second on the list , and then finally ill get around to doing another v6 , its going to be a 3.4/3500 70-76mm turbo , to many issues with the 3900 rods and if i had to deal with that id deal with a 4.3 instead
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I support this message. I think Mars needs some competition.
... nah, I think Mars has Dave beat lol. j/k

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finally ill get around to doing another v6 , its going to be a 3.4/3500 70-76mm turbo...
Get it together, we'll have another build off, but V6 this time. I stopped posting my stuff as you can tell, but if your serious I will build a V6 as well, I just happen to have one sitting in the garage, waiting for that very thing, albeit a 3.8 (not a Buick). I'll even go Megasquirt to make it even lol...
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u cant tell me that u wouldnt drive that ,but anyways i gave up looking for a gbody or mini truck , just nothing good in the entire state

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Now that it's summer and I'm driving my 4th gen again, I don't even want to look at my thirdgen..

I spend all winter tinkering and putting money into it, and then in the spring once again realize it's an 80s turd. Only to be sucked back into tinkering again in the fall.

If I weren't so upside down into the project financially, i'd sell it all and do a 6.0 4th gen turbo build.

Maybe I'll finish the car one day.

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... nah, I think Mars has Dave beat lol. j/k



Get it together, we'll have another build off, but V6 this time. I stopped posting my stuff as you can tell, but if your serious I will build a V6 as well, I just happen to have one sitting in the garage, waiting for that very thing, albeit a 3.8 (not a Buick). I'll even go Megasquirt to make it even lol...
3800 series II ?

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Now that it's summer and I'm driving my 4th gen again, I don't even want to look at my thirdgen..

I spend all winter tinkering and putting money into it, and then in the spring once again realize it's an 80s turd. Only to be sucked back into tinkering again in the fall.

If I weren't so upside down into the project financially, i'd sell it all and do a 6.0 4th gen turbo build.

Maybe I'll finish the car one day.

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Man, it's funny, I bought my 4th gen new, it was not screwed up in any way, nothing to bitch about what the PO did to it, and I was never happy with it. I owned a 3rd gen before it, and 2 after it, and honestly everyone else misses it more than I do. It did look better than my 3rd gens (it was just in better shape, and how badass does a black WS6 look?) and had better creature comforts, but it was always just a heavy, big, round, pregnant whale compared to my 3rd gens...
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