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Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
I have a 5.3 on a stand in the shop too. Not sure what I'm going to do with it.
I'm kinda in the same boat. I wouldn't mind an 11 second pass once and a while, but I really just wanna drive the car on sundays. If I have time. I've only put 50 miles on my bagger this year, and it's only got 1600 miles on it total and I bought it new in 2012. I guess I work too much.
I thought about buying a C5 but the electronics kinda worry me. They are getting cheap, same with the LT1 C4's.
-- Joe
I was asking RBob if he would consider doing something with the opti-spark, I'm sure he could, but the demand isn't quite there for it to be feasible for them to. Had he pulled the trigger I might have kept the White '95 Corvette. I almost bought an old friend's Corvette, he had a '99 w/Novi Blower. It also had rear flares, car was mint and very fast for the street. Money was tied up at the moment though and I had to pass on it. Would have been a nice summer car. Dave knows the former owners as well, swapped hands twice but then was sold to someone else. It was a very nice ride, something right up your alley Joe...
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Dave knows the former owners as well, swapped hands twice but then was sold to someone else. It was a very nice ride, something right up your alley Joe...
I actually spent a few months this year trying to track down my old C4. I don't know who owns it now, but I wouldn't mind buying it back. You would think finding an '87 vette with a '96 body and a powerdyne supercharger would be easy, as how many are like that right? But it appears to be in hiding.
I'd buy a '91 in a heart beat if one was available for the right price. I dont' wanna do an LT1 though.
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guys driving up this coming weekend so we will see what happens , half of me wants it gone just for the money and the other half wants to keep it , so i dont have to start over again , but witht hat much money to play with i can build something much nicer
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
just have the hood and roof left to do , and need to polish the wheels , if she sells i know what i want as a relacement
Haha, Joe and I were implying C5's were getting cheap, but the C5 ZO6's still demand a lot. A base C5 Corvette with power adder will annihilate a ZO6, don't waste your time bro. Hell there is a late 80's C4 actually selling for $2000 not too far from me. So tempted, but I want to go back to the LS Dave. Remember my '98 TA we took to Toms River with everyone? I might even go back to that soon, so long as the miles are low, like 20's..
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Haha, Joe and I were implying C5's were getting cheap, but the C5 ZO6's still demand a lot. A base C5 Corvette with power adder will annihilate a ZO6, don't waste your time bro. Hell there is a late 80's C4 actually selling for $2000 not too far from me. So tempted, but I want to go back to the LS Dave. Remember my '98 TA we took to Toms River with everyone? I might even go back to that soon, so long as the miles are low, like 20's..
The Z06 is just a status symbol.
The only thing that concerns me about a C5 is the electronics. There is a lot of systems that could fail, and potentially require special equipment to troubleshoot.
I see them cheap and have considered buying one and sticking a small self contained blower on one, but I don't want to have to bring it to the dealer when something stops working.
That's the same thing that turned me off to the LT1 C4's - that stupid body control module.
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me and the wife took my buddys 01 z06 on vacation awhile back. spent the weekend in it. cool car, fun to drive, and looks good sitting in the parking lot. but by the end of the weekend i was done with it and would loved to swapped into a camry or something comfortable and easier to use. no way would i drive one every day, i dont see how people do it unless they are 20 and dont mind little annoying stuff about a low hard to see out of car like that.
his roof leaked and the a/c wasnt working for some reason. also i think there was an issue with the abs. aftermarket shifter was very short and needed some muscle to move. he traded "that pos" in on a 2012 camaro ss and loves it.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by DIGGLER
me and the wife took my buddys 01 z06 on vacation awhile back. spent the weekend in it. cool car, fun to drive, and looks good sitting in the parking lot. but by the end of the weekend i was done with it and would loved to swapped into a camry or something comfortable and easier to use. no way would i drive one every day, i dont see how people do it unless they are 20 and dont mind little annoying stuff about a low hard to see out of car like that.
his roof leaked and the a/c wasnt working for some reason. also i think there was an issue with the abs. aftermarket shifter was very short and needed some muscle to move. he traded "that pos" in on a 2012 camaro ss and loves it.
That's surprising. Most of the C5 and C6's I've been in drove like Cadillacs in the comfort department, yet handled quite well in the turns.
I tried the 5th gen thing and you just can't see out the back. Was almost as bad as my 4th gen convertible.
Though I don't know if I'd drive any of them as a daily driver. I'm not a fan of driving sports cars in the rain, and weather up here turns on a dime. I've always had a newer truck or SUV as a dedicated all-weather daily driver. Plus when some chic hits you at 75 mph in her little coup or sedan it's nice to have a larger vehicle.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Stock they are soft mushy too mych comfort oriented. At 150+ they become unstable and a little acary. Nothing some lowering and penske coil overs wont fix but even the z51s suck...
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z06 rode, drove, and handled great i had no issues with that. what im talking about is the lack of interior space, getting in/out of it, no ground clearance, and not the greatest visibility out of it(coupe may be better?). we took it up in the mountains for the weekend and it rained the whole trip. but hey, its a performance minded car and they werent trying to build it to fit my complaints.
new camaros have horrid visibility, possibly worse than the c5, but i am going off of memory. my buddy with the 2012 says you get used to it, and maybe that is true. i remember when the 4th gen fbody came out everyone said you couldnt see out of it, but those are waaay better than the 5th gens.
i have driven a manual 65 miles a day for about 8 years now and im ready for an auto again. im even tired of climbing into/out of a civic- i would rather go back to something taller like an s10 like i had a couple years back. funny how stuff like that wears on you after awhile. im not fat or badly out of shape either.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by DIGGLER
z06 rode, drove, and handled great i had no issues with that. what im talking about is the lack of interior space, getting in/out of it, no ground clearance, and not the greatest visibility out of it(coupe may be better?). we took it up in the mountains for the weekend and it rained the whole trip. but hey, its a performance minded car and they werent trying to build it to fit my complaints.
new camaros have horrid visibility, possibly worse than the c5, but i am going off of memory. my buddy with the 2012 says you get used to it, and maybe that is true. i remember when the 4th gen fbody came out everyone said you couldnt see out of it, but those are waaay better than the 5th gens.
i have driven a manual 65 miles a day for about 8 years now and im ready for an auto again. im even tired of climbing into/out of a civic- i would rather go back to something taller like an s10 like i had a couple years back. funny how stuff like that wears on you after awhile. im not fat or badly out of shape either.
If you think getting into a C5 is bad, you should try a C4.. It's basically fall down into a pit, then try to climb back out.
My C3's are cool little cars. They ride like jeeps, have great ground clearance. My only complaint is they are VERY small. My '75 makes me somewhat claustrophobic. The door panel is basically firmly against my rib cage, and if I didn't have collapsible column I couldn't drive 'em.
The '79 is better, mainly because the dash is closer to the firewall and you have a storage area rather than a vertical window next to your ears.
I drive my 3/4 ton to work, or my bagger once and a while. I drive an hour each way into Massachusetts which is a hairy trip as it is. The few times I've driven a sports car to work I wondered if I was going to total it.
I wouldn't mind owning and driving a C5, but I think I would have difficulty maintaining it. If everything wasn't computer controlled, magnetic ride control, nasa command, etc I'd probably feel more comfortable.
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it really cant be worse then daily driving a f-body can it?
granted it is a bunch lower car to get in and out of
the only downfall to a vette here is in town driveways suck , for whatever reason the streets are lower then all the properties so every driveway has a steep angle to pull into it, i dont know if u guys ever noticed but the camaro is lifted about 1 inch front and rear
instead of a vette i may just buy a cheap street bike and put the rest of the money away
whatever i get its staying stock i just dont have the time to work on stuff anymore , nor do i longer have anyplace to race driving about 500-600 miles round trip to goto a drag strip just doesnt apeal to me anymore
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
it really cant be worse then daily driving a f-body can it?
granted it is a bunch lower car to get in and out of
the only downfall to a vette here is in town driveways suck , for whatever reason the streets are lower then all the properties so every driveway has a steep angle to pull into it, i dont know if u guys ever noticed but the camaro is lifted about 1 inch front and rear
instead of a vette i may just buy a cheap street bike and put the rest of the money away
whatever i get its staying stock i just dont have the time to work on stuff anymore , nor do i longer have anyplace to race driving about 500-600 miles round trip to goto a drag strip just doesnt apeal to me anymore
Nothing wrong with stock, as long as stock isn't a thirdgen. I think my farm tractor has more power than a stock thirdgen
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
My C3's are cool little cars. They ride like jeeps, have great ground clearance. My only complaint is they are VERY small. My '75 makes me somewhat claustrophobic. The door panel is basically firmly against my rib cage, and if I didn't have collapsible column I couldn't drive 'em.
Heh, whenever I hear C3 I always think of this guy from back in the 90's. I was a kid, hung out with guido's on Metropoiltan Avenue in Queens NY, some guy roles by with a Black on Black C3 vert blasting Rime of the Ancient Mariner from Iron Maiden with an incredible sound system and I started flipping out. My friends looked at me like I had three heads, I think I was the only guido who loved Iron Maiden and Freestyle lol. That's where me and Dave differ though, we're about the same age, but he likes the newer stuff. What did you listen to back in the day Joe...?
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Heh, whenever I hear C3 I always think of this guy from back in the 90's. I was a kid, hung out with guido's on Metropoiltan Avenue in Queens NY, some guy roles by with a Black on Black C3 vert blasting Rime of the Ancient Mariner from Iron Maiden with an incredible sound system and I started flipping out. My friends looked at me like I had three heads, I think I was the only guido who loved Iron Maiden and Freestyle lol. That's where me and Dave differ though, we're about the same age, but he likes the newer stuff. What did you listen to back in the day Joe...?
theres a crossfire vette thats been parked in this guys yard for a few years now, ive been tempted to see if hell sell it but i would be to tempted to build a new motor and mod that
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
theres a crossfire vette thats been parked in this guys yard for a few years now, ive been tempted to see if hell sell it but i would be to tempted to build a new motor and mod that
Pass. Crossfire vettes show up on craigslist for $1000 all day, and never sell. Mike (Corvette Mike) usually buys 'em for half that and parts 'em out. (he owns a big junkyard).
Early c4's have a different wheel offset and smaller brakes. You want like an '89 or newer.
And the pre-90 interior is a horror story, and will nickel and dime you to death if it needs work.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
theres a crossfire vette thats been parked in this guys yard for a few years now, ive been tempted to see if hell sell it but i would be to tempted to build a new motor and mod that
There's an SL2 Saturn for $300.00 by me, runs like a top, light frame damage but drives fine.
Originally Posted by anesthes
Pass. Crossfire vettes show up on craigslist for $1000 all day, and never sell. Mike (Corvette Mike) usually buys 'em for half that and parts 'em out. (he owns a big junkyard).
Early c4's have a different wheel offset and smaller brakes. You want like an '89 or newer.
And the pre-90 interior is a horror story, and will nickel and dime you to death if it needs work.
-- Joe
When my wife and I moved to New Jersey, we came with an '88 Champagne Corvette w/automatic and three cats lol, very low miles. Ran like a freaking top, but the interior started going. Even my '95 LT1, interior was going. You just can't escape it, especially if the former owner didn't take care of it. Worst part about the '88 was the VATS started to act up, the wiring in the column was starting to go, and it was a pain in the freaking @ss back then. The only way I'd consider a Crossfire was if I planned on dropping in a 454 BBC w/fuel injection, essentially emulating the '89 ZR2 454 from General Motors, or an LSX, but other than that I agree, just pass on it...
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guy came up looked at the car , he wants it and has the money , but he wants me to change a few things on the car before he buys it , basically he wants me to put a full ex on it , weld in the cage , and finish the electrical work it needs. none of which bothers me
the thing that does bother me is he wants to give it to his kid for his graduation present
not really comfortable with knowing the car would be going to a teenager
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I wouldn't sell it to a teenager, they do too many stupid things out of ignorance. Don't do it Dave, I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I ever found out that the kid I sold a 1000 horsepower capable car to got into a major accident on the street...
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Street Lethal
I wouldn't sell it to a teenager, they do too many stupid things out of ignorance. Don't do it Dave, I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I ever found out that the kid I sold a 1000 horsepower capable car to got into a major accident on the street...
Why? He's more likely to get killed on a street bike, which will be faster anyway.
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its pending sale, sale depends on me finishing a few items on the car , the problem is going to be time , i am so tied up on the farm for the next 2 months its not even funny lots of work to do before the ground freezes
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
its pending sale, sale depends on me finishing a few items on the car , the problem is going to be time , i am so tied up on the farm for the next 2 months its not even funny lots of work to do before the ground freezes
Was mid 30s last night. I gotta winterize my speed boat this week. Oh well.
I was hoping to get some stuff painted too before it gets too cold, as I don't like running the furnace in the shop while painting (plus having the fan on blows all the heat out with the fumes). I guess next spring.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
Was mid 30s last night. I gotta winterize my speed boat this week. Oh well.
I was hoping to get some stuff painted too before it gets too cold, as I don't like running the furnace in the shop while painting (plus having the fan on blows all the heat out with the fumes). I guess next spring.
-- Joe
we have had 25* nights already , but its also going to be 75-78* during the day all week.
u just never know what the weather will be here
lol lots of important things to do before the ground freezes
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
we have had 25* nights already , but its also going to be 75-78* during the day all week.
u just never know what the weather will be here
At least you are not under water.
I'm kinda tempted to take the miniram off my Formula and put a blow-thru carb on it (use MS for timing, fans, fuel pump, etc). Was thinking of unloading the C3's and picking up another C4 and doing a 350/miniram/afr head build on it. Freaking Rob has me thinking of C4's again.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by anesthes
At least you are not under water.
-- Joe
not as bad but we had snow 1.5 weeks ago , it didnt last long though , gota love the high desert
im prolly going to look for a c4 and or a street bike, a street bike would actually be really nice around here, an s10 pickup project would also be cool
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time to get busy
3:54 gears, need to decide what housing ends/brakes and axles im going to use , tq arm mount will be something like the currie units or ai may just say f it and do a 4 link
cars not going anywere , for the amount of work the guy wants me to do , id end up losing money , so either he takes it as is or coughs up more money for me to do the work he wants done
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Good deal Dave, keep it and finish what you started. Now, what's up with the exhaust, are you still planning on fabbing up a 4" system for it? Did you finish wet sanding? What's up with the Megasquirt, are you upgrading? Details bro details...
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Here's mine I fabbed up. About $250 in bends, clamps and dual mufflers. It's dual3" into a 4" out flowmaster merge, 4" outback into a hooker aerochamber in the stock location, then a 90 into a dynomax uktra SS with a short turndown. Sounded awesome, amazing ground clearance just too loud for street duty. I now run the 4" merge into a 3" summit catback with 4th gen Center exhaust exits. I didn't notice a loss in power but I'm only making 550ishhp but soon to be 700hp. Not that hard to do. Literally all off the shelf bends and no welding, just cut the 4ft of 4" to length for the merge.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Good deal Dave, keep it and finish what you started. Now, what's up with the exhaust, are you still planning on fabbing up a 4" system for it? Did you finish wet sanding? What's up with the Megasquirt, are you upgrading? Details bro details...
no i havent had the time to finish wet sanding it , been busy as all hell on the farm
ive got 2 more headgasket jobs , and a truck in the shop for front and rear diff rebuilds, we also have a few fields to plow up and some cattle we need to brand before the snow starts flying
im not sure on the ex yet the big turbo wants a 5 inch downpipe i could prolly neck it down to a 4 and be ok , or i may just do 5 into dual 3 or 3.5's
ms has been doing ok but i still dont trust the unit itself , and im fianlly getting enough money comming in that i just may be able to pick up that unit from joe
biggest issue atm is i still dont have anyplace to race , me and a few guys are going to approach the local airport and see if we cant get something going for next spring and summer which would be huge cause ill be racing all the time if we can work something out with them
btw the rear is a dana 70u which means i should never ever be able to break it , also has a 35 spline posi in it
dana 60 = 9.75 ring gear
dana 70 = 10.5 ring gear
just need to shorten it, weld on new ends , and get 35 spline axles for it
i need to decide if i want to spend the money on a disc brake setup or just put drums back on it
I made my own from boxed steel that I cut 1 side off of to open it up. I drilled my holes to mimick that of what you see on the 2nd link.
thanks , i want to make my own but i dont have equipment acurate enough to get the holes perfect placed , i could ask my friend that works in a machine shop if i could use the equipment over there but it could be a while before i could get into the shop
the dana 70 has a super beefy housing so welding a tq arm mount to the housing itself should be easy and plenty strong , so it may not be very hard at all to do a proper tq arm mount , unlike some of the diy dana 60's out there
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For the $80 I say just buy them lol.
To drill them level? Just put the boxed steel in the drill press and drill straight through... the first hole will act like a guide for the 2nd. Then cut the box face off and knotch the top for a 3" tube and be done with it. Basicaly what I did. Or pay for the nice brackets lol.
The housing thickness usually isn't the problem... its getting a good weld to the cast thats the most important/difficult. Preheating the housing, using nickle rod, and cooling all have to be perfect for a good weld. I didn't like the "uncertainty" of welding cast so I made my TQ arm mount a bolt on for my ford 8.8. Now I see that HAWK does something similar to my design but welds them to the case as well.
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by customblackbird
For the $80 I say just buy them lol.
To drill them level? Just put the boxed steel in the drill press and drill straight through... the first hole will act like a guide for the 2nd. Then cut the box face off and knotch the top for a 3" tube and be done with it. Basicaly what I did. Or pay for the nice brackets lol.
The housing thickness usually isn't the problem... its getting a good weld to the cast thats the most important/difficult. Preheating the housing, using nickle rod, and cooling all have to be perfect for a good weld. I didn't like the "uncertainty" of welding cast so I made my TQ arm mount a bolt on for my ford 8.8. Now I see that HAWK does something similar to my design but welds them to the case as well.
I hope the exhaust pics helped as well.
ive welded alot of tubes to the cast sections before and never had an issue i have the proper stuff for welding to the cast so it should all go smoothly
i also like the idea of the tq arm mounts that bolt between the housing and cover , witht he housing being beefy as it is i could drill and tap larger bolt holes in it for a stronger mounting point
theres alot of options i need to look at
4 link kits are pretty inexpensive as well something i need to give some though to , in the case of the 4 link id prolly just go back to the dana 60 housing i have
what i was more worried about was getting the holes for the tubes , and control arms identically placed on both sets of brackets , with the drill press we have in the shop the head wobbles way to much and it would walk
if we had a good drill press it wouldnt be an issue , but the one way have is just about good enough for farm work but not really
yeah those ex pics were helpful just not sure which route im going to go yet
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and my megasquirt issue have come back
went to check the antifreeze in my car and do a drain and fill on it cause it was diluted with to much water .
start the car it runs great for 5-20 seconds then just shuts off like u killed the ignition
sometimes it will run for 5-10 min and do the same thing
its just instantly off when it dies
first step is a set of reman 80# high z injectors
step 2 new ms unit , hopefully joe still have that one unit i wanted to buy
or the f*** all fix is a holley 750 modified for blow threw
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by project89
and my megasquirt issue have come back
went to check the antifreeze in my car and do a drain and fill on it cause it was diluted with to much water .
start the car it runs great for 5-20 seconds then just shuts off like u killed the ignition
sometimes it will run for 5-10 min and do the same thing
its just instantly off when it dies
Did you get a datalog just before it happens? Will help eliminate certain possibilities...
Re: Single turbo 352 iroc 1000hp or bust the grand finale
Originally Posted by Street Lethal
Did you get a datalog just before it happens? Will help eliminate certain possibilities...
Should be pretty straight forward to figure out exactly what is happening.
At idle there shouldn't be any feedback, typicall your wideband is set at 1500rpm or higher, so unless the MAP sensor dives for some reason your inj pw shouldn't change.
Could be loosing distributor ref pulses. Again, we need a log before he throws money at it.
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It's funny, he said he has been having this issue since the beginning, and if I remember correctly, Dave intended on either advancing or retarding the camshaft when installing it, but then later admitted he might have had it backwards. He wasn't sure, he didn't remember. His timing might be completely off. Also, knowing him, his fan(s) might be set to constant, so he needs to monitor the voltage in his charging system. I had a problem myself when I had both fans triggering at the same time, engine would stall instantaneously when they turned on, it just drew so much of a charge. Datalog is needed Dave, throw one up...
Originally Posted by anesthes
Should be pretty straight forward to figure out exactly what is happening.
At idle there shouldn't be any feedback, typicall your wideband is set at 1500rpm or higher, so unless the MAP sensor dives for some reason your inj pw shouldn't change.
Could be loosing distributor ref pulses. Again, we need a log before he throws money at it.
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ms is reseting continously
red vertical lines are reset counters
on the left side of the log u can see it was idling just fine and then it shuts off
whats the chance one of u guys has 8 of any high -z injectors ud be willing to ship me just to try and ill just ship them back after, i dont even care if they are 8 15# injectors ill alteast be able to get the car to idle and see if it cuts out the noise issue before i drop a couple hundred on new injectors or ecm
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