zz17iroc

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UPDATE: I finally got a chance to go to the track yesterday. Muscle Car Evolution held a T-n-T at Silver Dollar Raceway. On my first pass I blew the charge pipe off because one of the cheap ebay clamps was striped, well got that fixed and made another pass. Since I don't have a trans brake, I rely on a 50 shot and a two step set at 2000 rpm that builds about 2-3lbs of boost to help get out of the hole. All passes were made on 17-19lbs of boost. The 700r4 is holding up pretty good with the new Sonnex Smart Input Drum. I really need to swap out those 3.73's! Set up is in my sig.

2nd pass no nitrous: I messed up the settings on the progressive controller and I forgot how to set it up and the instruction were in my laptop bag in the pits, so had to make the pass as is.

60'- 1.632
330- 4.461
1/8- 6.727
MPH- 108.86
1000- 8.691
1/4- 10.356
MPH- 135.62

3rd pass with nitrous: Got out of the groove just little bit, but stayed in it.
60'- 1.435
330- 4.169
1/8- 6.402
MPH- 110.73
1000- 8.338
1/4- 9.980
MPH- 137.46

4th pass with nitrous Tried to back up last pass, but I shifted into neutral LOL, I missed a shift in an automatic. The car was hunting big time on the big end. This could have been a 9.8x or a 9.7x!
60'- 1.448
330- 4.071
1/8- 6.255
MPH- 111.10
1000- 8.272
1/4- 10.050
MPH- 126.65

I noticed when I was changing my rear tires that the flexible exhaust section on the crossover was blown out the entire time causing some lag, but could not hear it because of the cut out. I have another race next weekend in Albany, GA at US-19 Drag Way and I'll fix all issues this week.

Orr89RocZ

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Nice! Moving very well

Looked like a 9.74 for that last pass if you made a complete hit

89gta383

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zz17iroc

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Thanks for the props.

Yeah, I was going to give it another try but decided to call it a day. I'm fixing that crossover leak tomorrow. I had a good time yesterday. I'll get some video next time for sure.

DIGGLER

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thats a great running car! kudos to your trans builder too.

Badass355ciz28

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car is running well.

zz17iroc

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Thanks and thanks, I built this trans too.

Thanks. It really is running good with that BBS turbo manifold.

TurboedTPI

Very nice!

zz17iroc

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Thank you sir, I'm hitting up the local 1/8 mile track this Sunday for a Toys for Tots charity race. I hopefully can get in the high 5.9x's. How are things going with the Formula?

TurboedTPI

I took it to the track a month ago. But I ran into a slight issue. It's falling on its face on the big end. It only trapped 120mph in the 1/4. Its throwing a code 43. So what I believe is happening is the knock sensor is going bad and when this code set it retards timing to prevent any detonation, like a limp mode. The check engine light would come on during the passes around the 1/8 mile and just nose over. So I need to figure out that problem. I was really hoping for a low 10sec pass. Oh well, shes sleeping in the garage now.

TTOP350

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Nice work!

zz17iroc

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For sure swap out that knock sensor, and also do a tune up on your ignition. Change out your ignition module and the pick up coil they are also prone to causing issues with the knock sensor.

Thanks man.

TurboedTPI

Thanks, that is the plan for sure.

zz17iroc

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I managed to strap the car on a Dynojet 224x non-loading of course this past Thursday night. I had to turn up my Electronic Boost Controller(EBC) to 70% duty cycle to achieve 16.5lbs. of boost. Here are the dyno pulls in order:

Pull 1: Transmission kicked down to 2nd and hazed the tires on the rollers.
Pull 2: On the waste gate spring and converter unlocked at 9.7lbs of boost.
Pull 3: EBC set at 16%, converter locked at 75mph yielded 12.3lbs of boost. (Converter stayed locked for the rest of the pulls.)
Pull 4: Not shown, EBC set at 28% yielded 13.5lbs of boost. Almost same results as pull 3.
Pull 5-6: Not shown, EBC set at 44% yielded 14.7lbs of boost. Both made about 642hp.
Pull 7: EBC set at 54% yielded 15.8lbs of boost.
Pull 8: The dyno computer shut off mid pull.
Pull 9: EBC set at 70%, converter lock changed to 55mph for lower start point, yielded 17.5lbs of boost.
Pull 10: EBC set the same as pull 9, but removed cutout yielded 16.5lbs of boost. The car picked up 28hp and 26 ft-lbs of tq.

The shop owner said "I should put it on a Mustang Dyno to better load the turbo." I told him I'm pretty happy with the results and that I rather tune at the track than on a dyno. I just wanted to see what the valve train was doing in the higher rpm band. Let me know what you think!

Sorry, still no video. Almost forgot, all pulls were made on 93 pump gas.

Orr89RocZ

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Solid numbers!

zz17iroc

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Thanks man.

Plans for this winter will be to swap those gears out for 3.08 so I can get a better 1/4 mile pass without shifting to 4th gear. You know 700r4 do not like that crap! And get bigger injectors, so I can turn up the boost. My duty cycle is 96% at 18lbs of boost with 80lbs injectors. I even turned up the fuel pressure to 50psi which raised the injector flow rate from 80lbs to 92lbs because the inj DC was at 110% before I raised the fuel pressure, so it did help. But I don't want to push those twin Walbro 340 fuel pumps to hard. I would love to lower my fuel pressure to keep those pumps happy.

zz17iroc

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I wanted to change out the log style BBS turbo header for along time and I've finally pulled the trigger again. I noticed this new kit from CX Racing just the hot side, so I decided to test it out.
http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant...Code=Camaro-LS

This is what I started with:

Orr89RocZ

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Certainly interested in that. Didnt know they had a kit

zz17iroc

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I had to change my Serp set up, so I employed March pulleys and brackets for that. If anyone need PN just PM me or I will update it later when I find the all. Double click the photo to show the correct image because photos were taken with a cell phone.

zz17iroc

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And the finished product. As far as fitment goes, CX Racing knocked it out the park. I did not have to redo anything beside welding on my own flanges for the waste gate and waste gate dump tube. The welds are really strong and back flowed. Although I am worried about them cracking over time. The car seems to like the more free flowing hot side. I was afraid that it would be laggy because of the 3" cross over, but no it actually spools quicker and it no longer sounds like a Grand National when I rev it up in park. I currently have a 10.5lbs spring in the gate, I saw 10.6lbs. of boost by 3700 rpm and it stayed right there until I let of the gas. I know, a little boost creep there. I am very satisfied so far. Going to make some shakedown passes tomorrow, I will surely update with results.

zz17iroc

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I didn't either until I came across it on ebay and took a closer look. They have the exact same kit for an LSX swapped 3rd gen too. http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant...gory_Code=TOKT

Its so amazing that none of these kits existed when BBS came out with their kit.

For me I think CX Racing just gave 3rd gen owners a new hope. I mean the quality is amazing and with some modification to the car this kit has some serious potential. So buyers please be aware that this kit is still not a plug-n-play kit, you will have to make things work around it. But it is a very good starting point for the price.

Badass355ciz28

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looks like a nice kit.

battmann

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Glad I stumbled on this thread!
I'm currently accumulating parts for a single turbo LS build. Wonder if I can buy that CX Racing kit without their turbo. Would save me a TON of fabrication time.

zz17iroc

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You can, that's how I bought mine. And they offer military discounts as well. It's pretty descent quality too.

Orr89RocZ

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Thats good to hear. I use cxracing intercoolers on my car. Cheap air to water units but they work very well

86CamaroDan

Really? How efficient are they? Do you have pre and post sensors by any chance?

Orr89RocZ

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No pre but on 30 psi and 1400 hp, i would see about 30 deg rise or so in 8 sec. My iat would be around 110 deg or so at end of run in a 60 deg day. Ice tank water about 45 deg. To me thats very good, as 30 psi out of a 70% eff turbo is 356 deg.

Twin coolers so i have about 700 hp worth of air goin thru each

86CamaroDan

Intresting, I wonder how efficient their A2A Intercoolers are.

Orr89RocZ

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Not sure. Air to air is dependent on position and how much air flow comes thru the core.

My treadstone 1300 hp air to air setup saw like 100 deg rise. Way to inefficient. But my buddy ran same one in his notch fox body and same power level, similar boost, similar turbos and never had an issue

anesthes

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I thought you had some crazy expensive FMIC in your build thread?

-- Joe

anesthes

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I have one of their A2W IC's in the shop if you wanted to try it.

I was going to run it in my battery tray but I couldn't find a heat exchanger that I liked. The one I thought would work great was too big to fit (14"). I think the best route is a bar + plate cooler, and a water box. I lost interest.

Twin_Turbo is running a similar IC on his car.

-- Joe

Orr89RocZ

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Treadstone is 500$ so it isnt a cheap china price but i dont believe the core is much better than the china ones.

86CamaroDan

I appreciate the offer but i think im better off with a A2A seeing its a daily driven street car.

IROCZ1989

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Makes me wish I went turbo. Nice kit. I see they are supporting thirdgens which is a good thing.

Orr89RocZ

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A2A is easier to do but you dont need a heat exchanger in a street a2w as long as you have decent capacity tank. Even 120 deg water will do good job of cooling a hot turbo charge

anesthes

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I'm still on the fence. A lot of new OEM vehicles are doing a2w, but air to air is quite simple. (no fans, pumps, etc).

Maybe one day I'll try it on a blown boat.

-- Joe

zz17iroc

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I just took it for another test drive, temp outside is currently 92*. The car stays cool as always with those Derale fans around 176*-180* degrees in stop and go traffic, but on the highway steady cruise I will see as low as 172* on days like this. Intake temps are around 84*-88* while cruising and on 10lbs of boost they would climb to 100*-102*, but cool down very quickly. I'm just amazed at how quick the car spools with that 3" crossover. Sorry for the rant, I'm just so pleased with the way it all turned out.
Heading to the rack around 7 o'clock tonight or some real shakedown passes. I don't have to worry about johnny law there.

MEAN LT1

Looking good man. Great job on the times.

cheesehomer

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Great build...gotta subscribe !

Badass355ciz28

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Any time slip updates?

zz17iroc

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Yeah, but I misplaced it. I did manage to click off a new PB 60ft. and MPH. Running a 1.36 60ft. and 119 MPH with the new hot side. Going to the track again this weekend.

battmann

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looks like CX Racing isn't making the full kit anymore for thirdgens with the LS engine. they are now only offering cold side piping.
http://www.cxracing.com/mm5/merchant...Camaro8292-LS1

wish i had the money to buy this kit when people first started talking about it. maybe they just took it down so you couldn't get a discount on black friday / cyber monday.

83 Crossfire TA

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1.3 60's and 9's and your 700r4 hasn't gone home in a bucket? What kind of voodoo is this? You're making me wonder if I don't need to drop the 4L80e behind my 305... heck, the weight and packaging advantages...

anesthes

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A lot of places make 1,000+hp 700R4s.

-- Joe

zz17iroc

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These two parts are major pieces of the puzzle along with other supporting mods that keep the trans happy. I've built countless transmissions for friends and other customers with great results so far. I use my car as a testament of how well the parts hold up! Also I'm still using 4 gear planets too. But trust me I have a set of GM 5 gear planets on standby and not those cheap knock off ones that break all the time.

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sox-77733-10k

https://www.summitracing.com/parts/sox-77749-02k

Keep in mind when you receive your new Smart Tech Drum, you will have to upgrade some components in the drum ie; upgrade to the 97'-Later model ring gear because the ring splines are taller for the 3-4 clutches/steels and has a torrington bearing instead of a brass bushing that rest on top of the sun shell, a steel forward piston is recommended instead of aluminum, You will also have to use a 91'-Later apply Ring with a "7" stamped on it. Finally, a 97'-Later Dual-Cage Return Spring for the newer designed Overrun piston that comes with the drum.

If anyone have any question just send a PM.