Guest

I've had my car for less than two months. How much do you expect for me to have done to it in less than two months? And you've had how long? Guess what, a twin turbo'd civic could out run me too. Doesn't mean I want one, doesn't mean its cool, and sure as hell doesn't mean I respect it. You're in the same boat. A V6 in these cars is a waste of natural resources.

GreenCamaro13

umm i actually disagree with you 11240120105% on the last comment, Why would you want to spend all that gas in a 350 in a year when you could save it by dropping a turbo (currently planning) on a v6 and have a SHload of power and still have good MPG so you can make it to the market without wasting 40$ of gas, take a look at my friends - FastEddi's - camaro, its a v6 like mine and has a hell of a punch, nothing better then good mpgs and a hell of a fast car,

fasteddi

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Thankfully not alot of people out are are V6 haters. Just gearheads that love any motor as long as its fast.

Heres my first ever pass at the drag strip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeuz8Im_vlg
Guy had a GT/A with 4.11 gears and a eaton posi, not alot of mods but after I beat him he gave me props on my car. Said it was really cool. Those are the kind of modern gearheads I like. Made a good amout of friends at the track thus far and not one has said anything bad about my little build. That right there is why I love gearheads.

So since im not into pissing matches I will leave this thread.

project89

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hes a moron plain and simple stuck on the fact that if it aint a v8 it cant be good and cant make any power.

simple fact is my turbo v6 car is faster then the majority of the v8 cars on this board stock or modded
i have news for u bud there are factory stock 4 cyls making more power then ur old outdated l98, new technology is king over the gen 1 sbc

the worst offenders are corvette guys they cant stand being beat by a car that cost much less or has a smaller motor

Guest

Hell no. I am not ignorant. They can make power as evidenced by you guys. But I don't care what you do to a V6, NOTHING you do to it will make it sound like a V8 or feel like a V8. You want to make a V6 fast? Fine. To me its a waste of time. The V8 will always be a better platform for straight line speed, as you guys seem to care about the most. In track racing, maybe not but for the application you are using your six bangers for, the V8 is a better platform. I could not care less about MPG. I got this car to GO FAST, not sip gas. Why get a V6 TO DRAG RACE when there is something called a V8 out there? If you want a DD fine, but if you want to talk about the drags like you are something, don't talk about you're little six bangers.

P.S. My stock L98 is averaging 18mpg. Not as good as you, but no where in the vicinity of even breathing on $40 just to go to the grocery store.

Guest

One more thing. Naturally aspirated I could get into the twelves. Lots of work but I could do it. All of you I believe have mentioned your turbos. Good luck hitting 11's and 12's naturally aspirated. I dare any of you to say you could get your V6 to outperform an L98 built to the same specs. And I mean if you built both YOURSELF, not somebody else but the same guy on the same engine.

project89

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to bad there are already v6 powered camaros in the 11's and 12's naturally aspirated.
i can build an n/a v6 to run just as fast as my turbo powered v6 but i didnt i choose to build a turbo system instead. if i wanted to go this fast n/a id have a completly different set of heads and cam

and saying a v6 will never feel like a v8 is stupid

400 hp in a v6 and 400 hp in a v8 will feel exactly the same

and so what u have a v8 and get 18mpg i have a v6 that makes more then 2x the power and gets 2x the gas milage

i also have a twin turbo iroc 355 twin 57mm turbos makes a ton more power then my v6 but quess which car is more fun to street drive the v6 car, and while the 355 makes more power it cost about 4-5 times more then it cost to build the v6
not to mention about twice a smuch cost to drive the car anywere

IMissMy86TA

V6 not fast, really?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R

It has been tested to achieve 0-60 mph (97 km/h) times as low as 3.2 seconds with "launch control"[29] and 3.8 seconds without[30] (improved to 3.5 seconds in models produced since March 2009[31]).

Tests by Edmund's Inside Line have shown the 2012 GT-R to achieve 0-60 mph in 2.9 seconds with R-Mode Start activated and did the 1/4 mile in 11.2 seconds going 122.7 MPH.[35]


give me a break... go against one of these at the track with your V8.. you will be crying to mama.
By the way... Ive ridden in one and they are nothing to laugh at.

Guest

My stock L98 will be faster than MOST mid 60's to early 70's muscle cars. Guess what I would rather have? A mid 60's to early 70's muscle car. Speed is irrelevant to me. It happens to be the by product of a cool car that also sounds cool. Of course V6's can be fast. As I said, I am not ignorant. I just don't care about them because they are just not the best platform to build a drag car out of.

GreenCamaro13

anyways. back on topic. soon i plan on adding my turbo and all that great stuff lol sooo, ill be constantly messing with the car to get better 0- 60's

fasteddi

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Ill link up my datalogg from the 14.0 pass but it was on slicks so the MPH are different since the slicks are taller... So here the first pass ever that was at 14.37 in excel format so you can read it, of my 0-60 time at the track. Enjoy! 0-60mph 5.6 seconds and much faster to come. Thats literly my stock 0-60 time cut in half!

Also this was with 10psi, not im running 12.5psi. Don't mine the KR that was a loose item I found the other day....opps

fasteddi

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He was peddling at the and went 12's Hes on here(TGO)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiZ_96qMu9c

Then you have projects car and it was a slick set up IMO
Its what inspired me. 13.00s in this vid with maxed injectors and low low boost considering.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KALeK...A1GGkqGfDZQrWE=


So you can't tell me that a V6 can not be a great platform for drag racing if you have a V6 already in the car... haven't you ever heard of a Grand national?? Or TT/A?? Ever see one modded in the 1/4 mile. I have seen a 9sec GN and it was just freaking awsome!!

Thirdgen89GTA

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I agree. With the proper heads, intake work and cam choices its possible to get most of the 3.4L GM V6's to near 300rwhp. The heads will be key, stock heads just flow enough to do it naturally aspirated.

A 3900 V6's heads flow near 260cfm on the intake. I love the V6 in my G6 GTP. Paired with the 6spd its a great car to drive around.

240hp @ 6000rpm, 240lb/ft @ 2800rpm (very flat power curve), 3700lbs race weight and it was still going bottom 15's @ 94-95mph with horrible 2.3 60' times. With the new tires on it it might be possible to get mid/high 14's out of it. It gets about 36mpg on the highway.

project89

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the iron heads have just enough flow to run in the 12's n/a with a perfectly matched combo

the gen 3heads have a bit more flow and make it easier but i dont like the shape of the ports and thats all im going to say about those

now the 3.4 dohc head flow is absolutly insane were talking lsx kind of flow numbers on those heads unfortunatly the dohc vartiant of the 60* motor has its downfalls that make it costly to build

since ive done the 2.8 n/a build 2.8/3.1/3.4 turbo builds, the destroked 3.4L turbo build im thinking about doing one of the 3.4dohc motors with a turbo build next. though the a 4.3 vortec build has been bouncing around my head a long long time but the 4.3 gets costly as well since once u make around 450 hp they like to start spitting crankshafts.

atleats with the 60* engine family we dont have any of those problems

Thirdgen89GTA

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They do have good headflow. LS1 like headflow. 253cfm on the intake is not too shabby. Exhaust is okay, not spectacular.

project89

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yeah those are the 3900 heads , but check out the 3.4 dohc heads they make the 3900 heads look bad

project89

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265 cfm intake at .425 lift
and about 190 cfm ex at .425 lift

Thirdgen89GTA

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4v heads have a big advantage over 2v head design.

Believe me, I'd rather GM get the next engine and go with a 4v head design, much better flow at low lift and better velocity everywhere.

project89

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yeah b ut u know gm if they do do a dohc v8 it would prolly be a vette only motor and they wouldnt be cheap to buy for swaping into other cars

i may do a 3.4 with a dohc conversion for my next build im still researching the possibility of adopting the dohc heads to the standard engine

Thirdgen89GTA

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Actually knowing GM, they'd probably do a dual cam in block design, or run a concentric variable cam for independent intake/exhaust timing.

I think Concentric cams are one of the coolest things I've seen built in a while. Same physical space as a single cam in block design, but you can independently vary the intake and exhaust timing.
http://www.mechadyne-int.com/vva-pro...tric-camshafts

The Viper has had it for a while, they introduced it in 2008.

IMissMy86TA

thought this was a post on 0-60?

freaky

i think the if it ain't a v8 it ain't **** guys are funny . i had a 05 srt4 with a 50 trim on that walked every lt an ls car i raced expect one an he had a turbo an nitrous . after my 4cylinder experience with a turbo i'm going turbo on my 305 . you gotta love the feel of a turbo when it spools . it's all most orgasmic lol !

Guest

For my own sake I won't go on my "super over turbo" rant.

project89

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super over turbo?

fasteddi

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Yea this thread has been a mess..lol. But I gotta say... turbo over the superch.

project89

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ahht hats what he meant, and hell yes turbos make more power vs superchargers

fasteddi

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project89

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his arguement is prolly turbos are for rice, and superchargers for muscle lmfao

IMissMy86TA

unsubscribing....

vistageek92

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same here. I wanted 0-60 discussions, not the ridiculous turbo vs superC arguing.

GreenCamaro13

lol, so lets see some 0-60 of turbo and supercharger, i wanna see the differencees.

fasteddi

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Well you see mine are about 5.4-5.6 seconds 0-60

Project89 does that megasquirt show time like a stock ecm log? Im guessing at the track you were pushing somewhere in the 4.5-4.7sec range??

These times depend on many things(gear ratio, weight, driver, corrected altitude) but heres the general numbers that are found for the TPI, LT1, LS1 camaros

The L98 obvously is the only engine in the thirdgens. But still you can see how slow the L98 is compared to its newer moddled relitives.

L98 6.5 - 6.9
LT1 4.8 - 5.6
LS1 4.8 - 5.4

All are 0-60mph times

Heres a interesting data site! http://www.sethirdgen.org/performance.htm

project89

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yes it does so ill have to check some logs but my 3.1 should be in the 3.9-4.4 second ares for 0-60

i would like to know what gear ratios were in the cars they got those 0-60mph times from though

i have some timeslips from when i raced an ls1 powered transam at the track car had some boltons but was an auto ill have to dig threw my photobucket and post those up

Buggy Disaster

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My 91 Z with a 305 auto ran 7 flat today. Not bad for a stock car.

project89

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6#'s of boost very limited ignition timing ,was afriad to hurt the brand new motor lol
anyways the tranam is on the left

fast u can also use that timeslip to compare it to ur 14.03 run to see how well ur car is doing compared to mine

Street Lethal

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There really is no arguing when it comes to such comparisons, as each type of power adder can be made to suit the driver's application, and no one is better than the other because there are way too many variables. Although I'm running a T88 on my small block, if I line up against the same small block setup but sporting an F3 Procharger I will be toast, and if I up to a bigger turbo to beat the F3 Procharger, then the opposition can also up to an F4 Procharger and then it's party over...

fasteddi

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Holy crap rob.. thats a supercharger!!! WOW!

Boost is boost for a beginner like me. The turbo was just simpler in my case.

Thanks for the slips there dave. Look again at my 14.0 slip. Very close to that ls1. But I think I would be alot closer to your time if I would get a good 60ft time. Mine is 2 tenths slower then yours. 2.16 compared to your 1.96 I hope I can launch tommorow at the track. I cant use the datalogging at all on saturday, durring the points race, which suxs. No computers in the sportsmen class. But on friday if I get a good hit, ill link all that up and do the math on the 0-60mph time just for fun.

Is it my gearning or the fact that I have a bad launch that makes my MPH faster then yours, but yet my times are slower? Im not use to a fast car yet at the track, so these timeslips are different to me.

project89

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ur mph is faster cause u are spinning, btw that 1.9 60' is a launch with no boost just like u are doing.

besdies adding 3 psi of boost i just tuned the crap out of it and went 13 flat next time out, so i know ur car can do the same

as far as no dataloging ua laptop used for dataloging may be allowed ask the tech inspector when u go and explain to him that the laptop is only used for collecting data they should allow it

no electronics usually means no delay boxes, down track revlimiters etc

fasteddi

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I asked last weekend and they pulled out the rule book.......

There rules there are also (no data recording devices) The only exception is with super-pro class cars(but only 7.49 and under super-pro) Obvousely the nitro, and big boy cars can have them also as long as they are not able to change/modify the cars actions. The NHRA is funky about the rules sometimes. I wear a hement just because I dont wana get bitch3d at for going in the 13.xx without one...LOL

I can see it know... what you didnt "think" you would run a 13 sec pass but your have cheeter slicks and open exhaust.....LOL

I just stay away from the drama with the officials. Exspecially since on saturday they have some alcho injected cars, jets dragsters/ a semi, and a few others there as its the spring opener race.

project89

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ahhh forgot about the dataloger rule, just stuff the laptop under the seat

rightlclickon the desktop click properties then click screensaver then goto power options and set it to always on so the laptop dont goto standbye or turn off when u close the lid


now i really like my megasquirt i can plug in a blutooth card into my megasquirt and datalog to my cell phone wirelessly

btw check out ur build thread i posted info on that 3:73 gearset for ya

fasteddi

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Ok thanks on the tip about the laptop not shutting of as I didnt know how to do that.

88Birdman

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Just for ***** n giggles i did a 0-60

1988 2.8 firebird only mod is CAI

only did it once and was 11.5
original motor with ??? mileage ( i assume from research its around 140k- 150k miles on it ) Not bad for an 26 yr old motor.

fasteddi

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Yea thats about the going rate for a 0-60.

HighPressure

hmm http://www.zeroto60times.com/Pontiac...mph-Times.html says my L69 should run 7.8 sec for 0-60 mph.. I got an other cam, headers, intake, muffler, rebuilt quadrajet and a wideband o2 sensor with gauge... i run only around 10-11 sec :\

as my car was a LG4 ´87 Model, I guess it has 3.23 gears, I dont hope its 2.73:1....
I got still laying around a LSD 3.73..
think that this brings the difference for 0-60 ? can it be that bad ? or a better stall ??

Thirdgen89GTA

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Don't rely on the 0-60 websites when you have actual magazine articles available from this website on the main page.

There is a Plethora of information available in the hosted articles. I wish more people read them

HighPressure

you mean the comments in this thread ? i read them..
most of them are camaro and/or 350.. or LG4 and not L69.

the only one near to my numbers is the camaro from GreenCamaro13 running even worse @15 sec for 0-60

Thirdgen89GTA

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No, I mean the actual Magazine scans which are available from the front page. There are over a dozen scanned articles from the popular magazines.

https://www.thirdgen.org/media-articles