wesrams1

What do you guys think? Who would win?

SiCkRs

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What mods does each of the car has

aciddrop2804

if they are stock, camaro would deff. win as long as they are both 305. monte was pretty weak. like, 170 hp i think. I think montes had like, 3.83 rear or something like that. but you could get the camaro with 3.73 and a manual so im going to have to say camaro, I love both though!

tpivette89

actually, the Monte SS had the L69 (305 HO) rated at 185hp with 3.73 gears. its a mid 15 sec car if driven right and in good tune

the 85' Z28 was availible with three different engines. the breakdown of each is as follows:

- LG4 (low output 305), manual or auto, 150hp/240tq: low 16s
- L69 (305 HO) manual or auto, 190hp/240tq: low 15s
- LB9 (305 TPI) auto only, 215hp/290tq: high 14s

in reality, it will probably come down to the driver, the modifications made, and state of tune of each vehicle

85SilverIrocZ

Not quite apples to apples.. persay my comparison..but
my brother.. had a 85 TPI Iroc and i had a 85 Monte SS...
5.0 H.O v8 .... both new and both stock
his Camaro with 3.42:1 was faster..
than my Monte with 3.73:1

all4u

Another thing to look at is my 89 formula 350 with a full exhaust and no cat with a 3.23 posi, no other mods at the time, it was the way I bought it, could beat my friend's 85 monte ss with a full exhaust and stripped out interior with a 3.73 posi, and the race was from a dig. The race was was from North Ave to Fullerton down Villa Ave in Villa Park, IL. Probably 3/4 of a mile. I had him probably by a whole block or so. It was a joke to have that race. I completely crushed him.

A Monte looks good and could be built to go fast but from the factory, they weren't special, even for their time. Not a big deal. I give the race to the Z, if the driver of the Z can drive.

TTA 1387

I hope you are kidding.

They were a big deal when they came out. They were just a tick slower than the top of the line Z28. It wasn't until the GN got intercooled in 86 that it was considered slow.

tpivette89

the GN/Ttypes of 84/85 were also faster than the Monte SS. with weight being the same in both B bodies, the hotair Buicks had 200hp/300tq. That was considerably more than the 185hp/240tq the Montes were rated at

also, the TPI 305 Z28s and Trans Ams of the same year (85') also had more power (205hp - Trans Am, 215hp - Z28... both had 290tq) and were in a lighter chassis to boot

of course, there was the low 14 sec 85' L98 Vette as well

so quite a few GM cars knocked the SS Montes around back in 85'

larryjoe

I know for a fact that the 1987 high output 190hp monte would outrun a 1984 trans am with a carbed 305 and an 89 firebird with a tbi 305 by about 2 car lengths all cars were completely stock. It also ran door to door with a 87 iroc with tpi 305 auto, and I think they were rated at 190hp also, but sadly none were even close to the 87 mustang gt that showed up that day in 1990, he beat everyone by at least 5.

wesrams1

haha yea those damn mustangs are so fast. stock vs stock the 302 mustang would beat the pants off just about any thirdgen camaro.

fly89gta

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A jazzy chair would outrun both of those cars listed...he's not asking about either of those 2 vehicles.

tpivette89

the L69 that came in the Monte SS was only rated at 185hp due to its single inlet air cleaner assembly. only the fbody version of the L69 had 190hp cause it had the dual snorkel setup

there were 2 "305 carb" motors availible on a 84' Trans Am. what you saw race was probably the low output version, the LG4 (150hp)

also, the 305TBI (L03) was only rated at 170hp. so i can see a SS Monte beating that too

the 305TPI (LB9) was rated at 195hp in 87', so that would have been a drivers race between the two cars

however, none of those cars were in the OPs question

an 85' 305TPI auto fbody (which possibly WAS the car the OP asked about, he never stated which engine it came with) was considerably faster than the 86'+ fbodies (305TPI w auto trans) due to the smaller cam that came in the later engines

TTA 1387

I know my parent's 84 SS ran 15.4 when it was new. Did that at Crapitol. I really don't know what the 85-88 Monte's ran but I would assume at least as good with better gearing and better gearing in the trans.

From what I remember, HOT air Buicks ran mid 15's stock. The tuned port's of 85 did run better than the Monte. The Vette's were just quicker all around.

gurkgurkgurk

id say itd be down to the driver. unless the camaro was an iroc and had the LB9. in which case i give it to the camaro hands down. my buddy has an 86 monte carlos ss, and i have an 86 iroc z, and i can wipe the floor with him any time.

larryjoe

Boy, some of these guys take this way too serious, and get then in a wad really easy.

3rdgen355

I own a 83 camaro sport, 350 turbo and a 355 mildly built ( basically freshen it up, new bearings, gaskets, roller rockers, headers, etc. It dynoed at 311 HP at the rear wheels, and has 15" 50's rubber on back. ...... My uncle has a 86 Monte Carlo ss, also has turbo 350 3 speed auto tranny and 2.73 gears like my camaro, also has a 350 in it instead of the 305 boat anchors most chevys came with in the 80's.) his has again, mild , streetable moods done to motor like mine , an his dynoed at 289hp. Both at the crank numbers an pretty damn close to say we have about equal HP. And no matter if its 1-8th miles, 1-4 mile drag, top speed road race, anything he could think of, he couldn't beat me at all..... The closest he ever got to me was 2-3 car lengths on the road course because I became bored an wanted a challenge! ! Needless to say I got one, a damn ford mustang showed up an mopped the floor with all of us! Too bad im a bowtie for life guy, Cuz them mustangs are quick. .... But they are also prob a thousand pounds lighter than my camaro, an especially than the full frame Monte! So add 1000 lbs to the mustang, an lets go again! He ignore me an said no, haha. I still was very proud of my camaro, an it was the sexiest car there hands down!

fly89gta

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A 7 year old thread, really?

3rdgen355

Just joined, am new, didn't see the date of the post, I have a phone not a computer so its harder for me to see the small things. My bad.

Night rider327

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Old thread... but wanted to point out... The 80's Monte carlo is the same weight as a third gen, with the V8 base model monte carlo's being LIGHTER than the third gen f body.

'86 monte carlo SS is 3,387 lbs
'87 Z28 3,383 lbs, with the optioned out, power everything models reaching around 3,600 lbs.

'87 Monte Carlo sport coupe V8 RPO: Z37, 3,244 lbs

3rdgen355

My apologies, my info was coming from a drunk old man. In new to the forum-and group, as u can see, I commented on a 10 plus year old post ha... I will do my reaserch before I post anything as for facts again, my apologies.