Shadow Z

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Yeah, I'll take your word on that. Maybe I will start to understand.

Maybe you'll get your stories straight one day too. First a Vortech, then a Paxton. Wheelies at 55 MPH, 3.73's slow you down. You're a riot.

Someone needs to this thread, to save the other beloved members from ninetyone's stupidity.

Shadow Z

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So now you're making fun of your own state? I thought you'd grasp the idea that we're both from Delaware by now. Apparently not. Keep on making a fool of yourself. With any luck, you'll get banned.

ninetyone

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I am glad that I finally got through to you, although you are not directly admitting it. You are showing it with your negative comments and communication skills. LOL. Oh, well, can't change people , I guess. Anyhoo, yes, I am from Delaware, but thankfully not a Sussex County native. Especially after coming across someone like your self Mr. Shadow Z.

Shadow Z

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I'm a Burlington county, New Jersey native. Moved here three years ago.

You haven't got through to your own self yet. You're full of BS. All you've done practically since you've joined TGO is embarrass yourself with make believe stories.

That was hilarious when you were caught in the lie about the Vortech, then the Paxton supercharger. Who would have guessed that an 11 second car could pull wheelies on the highway at 55 MPH! Who would have thought that 11 second cars require parachutes, going by NHRA rules.

Headers slow you down, 3.73, 4.10's offer no improvements, yet somehow 4.11's offer minor improvements.

Just give it up already. All you're doing is making up stories from what YOU believe. Not from what has been proven, and repeatedly tested on the track.

ninetyone

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I may have gotten mixed up between which brand of super charger he had. I believe it was called an SN 92 super charger. Anyway, what I was saying was correct. Obviously you are threatened in some way. Oh great another person from Jersey. I feel a lot sympathy for you Jersey people. I should have taken that into consideration before i placed a judgement on you and thought you were just some hick native from Sussex county, Delaware. LOL

Shadow Z

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You get everything you say mixed up. There's really no difference.

fly89gta

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So wait wait wait wait.....you lost 4 tenths bit due to 3.73's but 4.10's will net an increase? Dude you are so f'in retarded it hurts baby Jesus.

You keep saying "would" yield. Don't you mean DID yield or are you assuming?

So lets get back to this mysterious 4 tenth loss. What were the track temps and humidity for both of these runs? What were you 60' times?

Just posting ET's proves NOTHING without knowing the rest of the conditions and numbers...so yeah.....you prove nothing other than that you can talk out of your ***.

Shadow Z

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Now he's going to say that you feel threatened! Oh no!

ninetyone

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An increase of about a tenth of a second would be had from the 410's. A 373 would give a four tenth loss in ET. A 273 would yield the greatest increase in the example I posted.

ninetyone

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Track temps are 75 degrees and 60 % humidity. Elevation at 800 ft for all examles.

fly89gta

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Yet you neglect to post 60' times

So you happened to get the exact same track conditions when you had 2.73's and 3.73's?

fly89gta

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So are you saying if I ditched my 3.27's for 2.77's I'd see an increase in ET?

Shadow Z

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Where exactly were you at? Highest elevation in Delaware is 440 feet. Englishtown is under 200, of course Delmar is below 200, Cecil county I believe is under 600.

I guess these are imaginary track conditions, or not yours.

fly89gta

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Me thinks someone just got owned lol

Shadow Z

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Yes, fly89, it is us who got owned.

Whatever the ultimate drag racer, ninetyone, says, goes. If he says that shoving a rag in your intake would make you faster, by tuning the A/F ratios, he'd be correct.

It was funny when he went and made that second account of his, and was pretending to be someone else, agreeing with himself. It's a given that no one else would.

Next he'll say that putting an 18" lift on a third gen, and running 53" tall 16.00R20 Michelin XZL truck tires will improve ET's, by keeping the good ol' TPI's in the usable powerband a lot longer.

fly89gta

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I get his point about staying in the usable rpm/power range...that's for ANY motor.

He's just completely off in his "facts". I'm gonna put 2.77's in the car, ditch the headers and try running. I'll maybe even take the blower off too....don't want too much air going in.

tpivette89

that has got to be the most rediculous thing ive ever heard. why is this guy still allowed to post on these boards?

so hes not from sussex... that means he lives kent or new castle... which means hes closer to me than i thought

hey ninetyone, my offer to race still stands. it can be street or track. in fact, i bet my top end LS1 will beat your low end TPI in the 1/8 as well

Shadow Z

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You almost never see people specifically matching parts with each other, based on their operating range, until you get into built engines. Such as shorter stroke engines, with forged internals, that can be made to take 8,000+ RPM.

You have to remember that he's BSing about simple bolt on parts, gears, etc..

Such as the typical LS1 owner. They'll throw on long tubes, maybe an O/R Y, a catback, a lid, get a tune, and call it a day.

Stock, they're making their peak HP supposedly at 5,600. From the dynos I've seen, on bolt on engines, some are making peak power at between 5,800 and 6,000 (usually). I better shut up about this though, since I don't feel like digging up proof at the moment, I'll start to sound like ninetyone.

But anyhow, they're throwing on bolt on intake parts, exhausts, that'd flow good probably up until 7 grand, and still seeing gains.

His point mainly becomes true when you get into forced induction, especially supercharger pulley sizes, something you're obviously very familiar with. I can understand throwing on a preferred pulley size, that could enable you to hit full boost earlier down, well below 3 grand. Or, a smaller upper pulley (in the case of Roots style SC's) allowing your boost to come in later, but peaking 2-3 LBS more.

I shouldn't really even have wasted the time typing that, however. This guy is a joke. I've always been a big fan of just sticking with stock gears, due to the driveability & top end speed capabilities, but this tool claiming that 3.73's will slow you down is just way too far out there.

Shadow Z

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Exactly my thoughts on the situation.

nickhil2003

Im actually going to side with him about the 55 mph wheelie, my mom has the turbo pt cruiser and when i was driving it i swear the front wheels came off the ground 2 inches when i nailed the gas pedal pretty good for a fwd huh?

firebird1992

just stop...........

lc1driver

Negative comments like;

And timeless classics such as;

Who could forget this blast from the past;

Apology accepted, now shut up.



...and concerning the elevation of Deleware, this taken from netstate dot com

This elevation map of Delaware illustrates the number of feet or meters the state rises above sea level. As you can see, all of Delaware resides at less than 500 feet above sea level. The lowest point in Delaware is sea level at the Atlantic Ocean.
The highest point in Delaware, 450 feet above sea level, is located in the northern part of the state near the Pennsylvania border. The high point is located in a mobile home park west of Ebright Road, Wilmington, New Castle County.




hmm interesting.


Not gonna tell ya where I live, but the highest point in my state 14,410 ft.

Maeryk

Any car can be fast. And even fast looking cars can be complete dogs. The trick is to go from top to bottom. I know plenty of "rice guys" who claim ridiculous horsepower because, well, that fart cannon gives them X HP, they used the Throttle body cleaner, that says 7 HP on the can, and they used the MAF cleaner, which also says 7HP, and hey.. they put 104 in the tank.. that's 8 HP right there.. so that's.. almost.. 40 extra HP!.


In my experience though, it's more tuning than what parts you throw in it. You can buy all kinds of fancy chrome crap that will always leak, but looks pretty, and have a nice sounding, but not terribly fast car. Or you can have a complete dog of an engine (appearance wise) that has been ported, polished, tuned, tweaked, and loved, and have an amazingly fast car in what looks like a grocery getter.

What it boils down to, is what do you like, what do you want to drive, and really.. are there honestly that many off-track options for racing?

I had some dude in a CRX with an aluminum park bench on the back and a fart cannon I could fit my foot down pull up next to me at a light and do the whole revvy noisy thing, and I just let him to squealing and tearing up the road, while I laughed. Not worth the ticket. (or the replacement rear tires), for me.

//<86TA>\\

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this thread is still going?

Maeryk

Where else can you get this kind of entertainment for free?

Shadow Z

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Couldn't possibly be Washington, could it?

Yeah, I mentioned that the highest point in Delaware is around 440 feet. 448 to be exact. He must have mysteriously gone to some out of state track, at least 100 miles away. What comes to mind is Virginia, some of the tracks out in western Maryland, and PA.

However, with everything else he's made up, I'll just pretend that these track conditions are correct. Oh, while taking into consideration that there's only one strip in my state currently in use, U.S. 13 Dragway, and it's elevation is 15 feet, it just makes it that much funnier.

tpivette89

well, its not Cecil. elevation there is only 320 ft. methinks he made up this mysterious elevation number... just like all of his timeslip claims

hey ninetyone... ill be at cecil county dragway on saturday sept 18th. if you show up in your almighty, 2.73 geared, big block-like, torque monster and beat my car in the 1/8, ill pay your way in

Outlaw90

I'm glad I came across your thread man. I'm building a 350 for my 90 Camaro RS so for now I have the V6 in it. There's a 98 Prelude that wants to race. I hear they put out 10 more horse than my V6 but 30 less lbs of torque. We'll go from a dig, what do you think would win?

whitedevilTA

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FYI the 98 preludes had 200 HP. Your 3.1 probably has around 135. He should probably beat you pretty good in a race I would think if you still have the V6 when you run him.

Shadow Z

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Honestly, that Prelude would whoop you pretty good. They run an H22 VTEC engine which has slightly more stroke than bore, and pretty high compression. So they make a decent amount of torque for being a 2.2. Plus, I believe they're lighter, and have 200 HP.

I almost bought a cheap H22 engine I found on Craigslist, so I looked into them a little. Not sure what I would have done with it. Build a go kart I guess.

TheMonster

Wow, there are no words to describe how clueless some people are. I mean I've talked to some people that are off on their facts a little, but this was just making **** up. If he didn't have 800+ posts, I would just think he was a troll..

Shadow Z

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Are you talking about ninetyone? Sure, he's made some crap up, but he's not that bad of a guy. I've met him in person and ran his 'Bird with my '01 Mustang GT.

midias

I bet a v6 6mt accord coupe would take just about any stock thirdgen I have seen one pull a 13.9 factory. Some hondas are fast many of their larger cars are 270 hp plus.

As for the v6 I had a friend in college with a 92 camaro v6 auto and my 122 hp 1988 accord 5mt could take it no prob all day long from a stop or a roll.

RyanEricW

Beating a 700r4 6cyl camaro is not worthy of mention.
I mean if I wanted to, I could brag about a thirdgen 4 cyl beating a Honda lawn motor....

Where's the pride in that ?

whitedevilTA

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Beating one in an 88 accord is impressive in itself. Can you imagaine this beauty beating a camaro?

midias

Actually it was a coupe like this and I always thought it was kinda sexy in an 80s kinda way.

whitedevilTA

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^^ def not a bad looking car if you put some clean 16" wheels on it. Anything bigger is just tacky on a car like that IMO. And I don't mind the looks of it at all.

midias

Adding a 1990 accord spoiler and all red taillights helped too

TonysBird

I gotta say this thread was an excellent way to burn off an hour or so. Never heard so much BS in my life! Man I hate Hondas but I will admit that 3rd gens are not the fastest cars on the planet.. They can be made to be very fast but it's not very cheap at all, unlike the Hondas and other asian imports where making them fast is pretty cheap.. the answer to this thread is that stock 3rd gen versus stock Honda of the same era would end up with the 3rd gen pulling more wins.. BUT the Honda would win, hands down, when both are compared with after market mods.. It sucks that this is true but it's just how it is.. Now a thirdgen with a jet engine would prolly beat a Honda with a jet engine just because the aerodynamics are slightly better, even thought that comparison is irrelevant..

Oh and ninetyone, you aggravate me.. The front of the car lifting up during acceleration happens in almost all rear wheel drive vehicles... It's not a wheelie caused by your performance magic it's just plain old physics.. I know that you mean to defend the honor of thirdgens but you need to learn when to submit to defeat.. Cause all you are doing is making us look bad..

Caveman305

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I agree with you to an extent, yes when the mods start coming, most Honda guys go straight for boost, while us thirdgenners go for bolt on's, in that aspect the Honda with boost would most likely win because it's boosted and lighter,

On the other hand if you take a heads cam intake and full Bolton thirdgen, vs a boosted Honda the thirdgen could pull a win,

The cheap fast reliable sayings comes in big time here

You can make either car fast for cheap but neither will be reliable


Boosted hondas blow up left and right at the track because the kids driving them went the cheap route

TonysBird

Yeah that's true. Reliability of a car wit mods is of huge importance. It may be cheaper at first but once you start fixing everything that breaks form the cheap mods the cost starts adding up.. Idk either way i dislike Asian imports.. lol