fasteddi

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Its tech. Bolt on in my mind.

What ya think dave? Now that Ill have the fueling capibilities and the alky to make it safely down the track im thinking I may get on the tail of the new Mustangs.....5.0's What do they run? IIRC 12.80's

I guess in time we will see but im pretty confident a tuned 15psi pass will make it there.

project89

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u have enough turbo and supporting mods to need a rollcage which would be 11.49's and better

u should have enough turbo there to go 11.20's

fasteddi

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11.99 at our track is a cage But thats a ways away. But still this little V6 is starting to put alot of V8's at the track to shame specially since its missing 2 cylinders..lmao

About how much HP you you think you were pushing when you gernaded that stock 700R4?

project89

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prolly around 600 if u mean the one in my iroc
my v6 car would burn them up at a lowewr power level from spinning them over 7000 rpms and not having a trans cooler

fasteddi

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Im hate to say it but im actually quite surprised that I havent ate through my trans yet....fingers crossed.

TTOP350

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Thats from the pump spring not supplying the proper line psi to the trans in the upper rpms. Ask how I know.
There are upgrades 4 that now.

fasteddi

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Wow....

project89

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i was using the tci rebuild kits at the time + mega boost valve and other upgrades. from what i was told there is no real fix for it since its centrifical force that causes the 4th gear to try to apply once u go above 7k rpms.

i really should have installed a trans cooler in my car most trans deaths were due to over heating i wa sspinning dam near 8k rpms with a 4,500 stall converter and with all the tq my car makes i know i was overheating the thing to death on the starting line.

i just ever had the room for a cooler and for a while there i stoped using the v6 car and or it only came out a handful of times a year so i didnt really bother with it

fasteddi

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Gave this corvette a run for its $$ only got me by 4 tenths. Yes his car was stock but were talking a 50k vette here and a V6 chasing his tail.

oamhmad

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I concur. I got around 22-26MPG as well when I had my 4rth gen 3.8 (5spd). The worst it got was 18MPG.

Phenom-1

I have beaten the 4.6 3 valve '05 thru '07 Mustang GT, but not by a lot, and I did it in my '92 350 TPI 99% stock All naturally Aspirated and trust me it wasn't easy, when your a good driver that 300hp 4.6 is a contender not to be underestimated unless bozo the clown is driving it. but I beat it with the TPIs Raw Power & Torque, no ( bolt on Supercharger or Turbo ) has ever been on my Z28.

jrhaus76

I am sorry bud, but I watched your video. First thing, the guy in the vette paid more like 60K to have a new Corvette convertible so leave the cost out of it. If he was more concerned about speed, he would have a Z06.

Second 99% of new Corvette owners can't drive for squat. I am not saying your car isnt impressive for a early 90s V6 Camaro but I am betting hes not that upset about it.



Also, I see this agruement goes on everywhere.... V6-V8. I just sold me 2010 SS Camaro that was 415 tire horsepower and about the same tire torque. I was on the popular 5th gen forum () and the same bull crap always came up there.... Is my V6 Camaro faster than.... a scud missle. In the end, with new cars, it isnt worth what you spend to soop up a V6 to make it "as fast as" a V8...

Now with the older cars... who knows but I just got a chuckle out of this.



Furthermore... a turbo is IN NO WAY a "bolt on". Technically ANYTHING bolts on, its a car! A 454 is a bolt on. Cams, heads, power adders... not bolt ons!


My IROC is a full bolt on car. Intake, headers, exhaust. It hast been tuned yet but pre mods it was 207 tire horsepower and 280 tire torque on a bad tune. I am curious what a good tune will give me... Not that I care, numbers mean nothing.

Street Lethal

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Heh, now I have to chuckle lol. Fastest stock LC2 was clocked in the low elevens years ago on the Turbo Buick board. Best LC2 MPG was documented by Car Craft's Real Street Eliminator at over 50-mpg years ago. Let's see your newer, albeit recently sold, 2010 SS Camaro with 415 tire horsepower do either of that...

By the way, I see your from Ohio too, so why not run him yourself...?

fasteddi

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You right numbers mean nothing except Et's.

You dont get the point in the thread about the vette. I had about 1k in the car when I raced that guy. Now my 1k engine compared to a LSx if the guy can drive or not is just impressive. Im impressed still that the car can chase down V8 such as that. I wont even go into how many Tpi's Ive gotten at the track. Yea they may have only had headers, and a small cam, and misc items. But the cost of a roller cam, headers and other items together is as much as my total build cost. Yes im turboed and its a advantage. But im at a dissadvantage because im missing 2 cylinders..

Seems I get dogged time to time for building up the V6 but in the same sence I love it exspecially when I have such a low amount of $$ in the car at this point. And the future now looks like a better engine needs to go into the car. Which means more $$ but thats what I want with the car. I first though, oh a 350 would be cheep but then I also though why?? When a 3.4/3.5L hybrid or full swap can run with the best of the V8's if done up right.

Its not only is it rare and unique but it also can be a powerhouse motor that isnt just another 350. So many ppl go with what everyone else is doing as in tearms of swaps and thats just not who I am personally. Not that the V8 swaps arent a great thing, its just not what I want.

jrhaus76

Maybe you missed my point... My point was that the same arguments come up on different forums and it seems V6 guys are are a touch sensitive.

I said I didn't know about building up older cars, I just saw a lot of idiots throwing thousands of dollars of mods on a V6 5th gen to get 300 tire horsepower. How stupid. Then you see guys spending 6-7 grand for a supercharger to get 375 tire hp! It just doesn't make sense.

A $1k build on a 3rd gen V6 is pretty cool... I wasn't knocking you.

and I'm not running you in my car... I know it's slow.

fasteddi

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Yea us V6 guys can be a tad touchy as we take crap alot

But i see your point. I dont see a point either in making 300 RWHP and spending thousands and thousands of dollars either be what ever engine platform. But the thing that I do think is weird about both V6 and V8 guys is when they spend tons of money to get nowhere. You know when someone gets headers, a cam, some rockers, gains like 50Hp and has a $$grand+ stuck into the motor?? I dont get that but I guess thats just because Im hooked on the ideas of turbochargers and there relitivly low cost to Hp factor.

jrhaus76

I modded my 5th gen for sound not power. The brakes/suspension I did bc... well the car was sloppy and soft from the factory.

Six_Shooter

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"I was only 4 tenths slower."

That's a huge amount when it comes to drag racing.

"He spent a lot more on his car"

So, what's your point? The amount of money spent on each vehi lenis irrelevant unless you're competing in the Grassroots Motorsports 20xx challenges, and even then costs can be fudged. Price or costs means ziltch. It's not like you get x number of car lengths for ever thousand dollars less than you spent than the other guy.

A turbocharger is in no way considered to be in the same catagory as a "bolt on" it is a "power adder". Besides any turbo set-up for a V6 third gen is a custom set up, requiring fabrication of custom parts, so just by that part, it can in no way be considered a "bolt on".

A nitrous system is much easier to "bolt on" to a car than a ustom turbo set-up and I've NEVER heard any one call it a "bolt on".

I've beat plenty of cars that have much more money tied up in them, so what? I don't get respect simply because of the amount of money I have into it, I get respect because I wrench on my car and make it work. There are a number of people around here that won't consider running me, and they have 2 more cylinders than I do. I respect a number of people around me with slower cars, because of how they built their cars, to have many creature comforts, be unique and enjoy their cars.

I'm a huge 6 cylinder fan, but this thread only helps the misconstrued opinion of many V8 owners out there that 6s are slow, and can't be made quick, even with forced induction. 13s are not impresively quick, at least not in the circles I run, unless your car weighs over 4000 lbs, which means that it's likely more of a comfy car, than one built to go racing.

I highly doubt a V6 third gen, unless it's been converted to a DOD engine, will get 30+ MPG. My car, which weighs much less than a third gen, less displacement, and tuned to run lean, barely manages 25 MPG, when I behave myself on long trips.

There's a bunch of misleading and rose tinted information in this thread which does jot help the v6 get respect.

fasteddi

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First, this is theretical and yea a turbo really isnt a bolt on but it is what it is. I did bolt it on though..lmfao.

Second, anyone that loves camaros knows the feeling is great if they beat a vette. I came close so thats why I linked the video. Its almost as good of a feeling as beating stangs on the street, fun fun times.

Now for my side of if the "V6 is getting degraded here when it comes to "respect" or preformance numbers comparitive to other cars and so on in this thread"

We all know that the biggest beginner to modding my car or any car for that matter. I droped 4 seconds off my ET from last year, added 30 mph of trap speed and who knows how much HP/Tq with about 1 grand and did all the work myself and your saying that im not a good example of what a V6 can produce and that im still turd slow??

Stock transmission, stock suspention, stock open rear end, stock engine for the most part(minus cam). And for most of the year a junk yard exhaust set up. And let me add that my welds sux so im sure theres plenty of leaks that I just never got to.

Sorry If I misslead some of my posts this but if a "idiot" like me can take a slow and I mean terribly slow 3.1L camaro, play with if for a bit and make some nice mid 13 sec passes then someone that knows what there really doing can do alot more with probly the same amount of money. Thats the point here that im trying to make.

You as viewers have to relize that this is not at all related to my job, or a long hobby for that matter. I've been wrenching on cars for literly 10 months, basically ever since I first tore into my car because I never thought this thing would ever be fast. Then I saw project89 car(videos and threads). That inspired me! I just hope that I inspire someone else to take what they have and make it unique. Take it how you want but untill I start to see V6 thirdgens that are 10-11 second cars then all of the other fast cars that your comparing do not matter in my mind as Im doing what I think the car is destined for. And mainly what I want with the car.

Respect?? Almost every time im at the track Ill get someone with a fast street car or any car for that matter, come up to me and talk about what I've got and how cool it is. They ask how much it cost on ocassion and I tell them and there at aww sometimes and like the fact that its all home made stuff. When someone walks up that is a straight racer, and continues to talk away about your car when he has a 10 sec TT street car himself. Thats what respect is to me even if only one guy out of 1000 come up and says it.

Down to the point though..... I love cars wether its a V8 V6 4 banger or what ever. Any thing that spikes my intrest really. Im not a V6 lover or in turn a V8 hater. I just had a 3.1L and turboed it. Its what I had, although id like to add im completly addicted to turbochargers though!!! And love the possiblilites of my set up. Ill end my rambling with that.

project89

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my car has been proven to go over 35mpg on the highway, by other members of this site in person, who have both gone on long drives and have driven my car. we would use my car on the weekends to do daily 140 mile round trips to goto the shore every weekend (fri/sat/sun) after we would take it to the racetrack ,

if u cant get 30mpg out of a v6 thirdgen with tuning u shouldnt be tuning
fast is a novice when it comes to tuning and hes getting 25 or slightly better when he behaves, simple gear swap and some more tunning and he would be be over 30 himself

Street Lethal

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Not for nothing but I think you built yourself one hell of a ride Mark, and you are far from an "idiot", as you learned to tune and burn chips in a matter of weeks. It takes some members months, if not years, and some never even finish what they start at all. You might have taken what Six Shooter said too much to heart, as he was just stating the obvious, but I am sure he realizes what you did though. Remember Mark, your trapping in the 12 second area, your just having trouble getting her to launch right. With a 1.75 sixty foot, better stall, and bigger turbo, you will be running elevens easy. Easy!

project89

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hey rob anychance u found those videos from when we swaped the 60-1 turbo on my car ?

Six_Shooter

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Exactly... What fasteddi has done is great, but not mentioning the addition of a turbo, while beating a 4.6 Mustang (or any car for that matter) in a race, is misleading and only helps solidify the opinions of the V8 guys. If you need to lie or omit pertinent information to try to make yourself look better, it just doesn't help, one bit.

I guess I'm a little different, I don't care about beating a particular type of car, but more about beating my friends, whatever their cars might be, and certain mouths that happen to be open when they should be closed, around here. I've never owned the fastest or quickest car around, sometimes owned the slowest, but even making someone sweat while they pull in front of you, is just fun to me. A friend of mine has an obviously quicker car than me, but I taunt him often when we go for laps, he'll pass me in less than 20 feet, from a roll, but it's still fun. He would slaughter me at the track, but I'd still line up beside him.

Six_Shooter

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So you're trying to tell me you can get 450 to 525 miles (724 to 845 kms) from a tank of fuel in a V6 third gen? That's getting into Prius and other hybrid territory for milage. I guess you've found Smokey Yunick's secret, eh?

fasteddi

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Who was lieing or omiting info to make themselfs look better??? Are we aiming this at me here or someone else?

fasteddi

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Thanks Rob. It has been a good ride in that car. Im proud of the car thats for damm sure.

Sometime I do get a little touchy on this forum as I don't know what someone means or sometimes who there even talking to.

Street Lethal

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Not you lol. Dave kinda forgot to mention the turbo in the first few posts...

https://www.thirdgen.org/forums/post...489-post3.html

fasteddi

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Ahh thats what he ment.. opps Sorry Sixshooter.

We all know dave was just fishing on the title of this thread when it all began. Thats whats nice about the thero threads.. I liked the first reponces on here though, it got me laughing. My apperent exhaust system was a sleeper I guess.

beltran89

Maybe this is a better question please help, would a 3.1 third gen 5 speed stand a chance agaisnt a 2002 gt mustang ? And even then whay would a v6 need to stand a chance (i know turbos and supercharger add crazy hp but too costly)

beltran89

Well...lets just say i have a 3.1 v6 scuba intake with flowmasters manual ..nothing crazy but where i live theres always someone driving a v6 or gt 00-04 mustang and since my car is noisy and all black every red light i tried to get raced ...any input or ideas

fasteddi

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Funny what 3 years can do, went from making mid 13 second passes when this thread started to making mid 11 second passes now, still a full street car, full interior, and a 3.1L V6

Well now I can dust new mustangs too with the ole 3.1L Its still a 3.1L bored .020 over, 3400 top end. Best pass of a 11.59@119mph this past year on 15psi of boost. Power house engine really. Still all stock on the bottom end. Here is a vid when I raced a good friend in his 2013 mustang gt. Only mods were headers, x pipe, cats, basically a roush exhaust system, a good tune, and drag radials. He dynoed 393RWHP the week before this race. Pretty fun to beat him.

I went 11.99 in this vid, i was still tuning for a new cam I tossed in it, so it wasn't as fast as I got it to be later in the season. But I dusted him quite well exspecially on the top end of the track, he went mid 12s.

studdmstr

Nobody thinks a Buick GNX or a TTA Firebird is slow, but everyone knows a NA 2.8 or 3.1 V6 is slow

project89

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now a days they are , but am91rs had a really nasty n/a v6 iirc it went into the 13's years and years ago

fasteddi

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I never thought he went that fast. About 3-4 years back.. when i last talked to him he cracked into the high 14s. All motor which is Damm impressive for the iron heads.

fasteddi

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Here is his sig. I dont recall him ever going faster but still. a 14.97 is moving on one of these old engines with no n20 or power adders at all.

AM91Camaro_RS

used to be ...... highly modded 3.1.....
best 1/8 mile time...9.51@74 mph
2.04 60' on street tires
best 1/4 14.97@89.95mph
for now ...... stock 3.4

project89

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maybe it was somone else , damn now u got me wanted to look around and make sure im not wrong

Thirdgen89GTA

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That guys face at the end of the video is funny.

fasteddi

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Yea that was my friend who I was racing(the 13 mustang).... his uncle.

studdmstr

Again 14.97 is not fast....for that motor in that car it's impressive but still not fast.

fasteddi

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I know its not fast. Definity isnt at all. My car runs mid 11s and I don't even think its fast in todays standards. Its fast for a V6 but not for a V8 street car..

But for what it was, its a solid 2 seconds faster then the stocker.. so its faster..

beltran89

I am back, so after all this time i ended up ls1 swapping from a camaro 4th gen and using 3.73 gears. I was wondering theortically would i be faster than a 2002 mustang gt and a 2015 v6 challenger and a 2006 gto and last but not least a 2012 subaru sti. Which could i beat and which woukd i have a hard time with ..i can tell i am way faster then before obvioisly but before i put it to the test isbthere anything thats obvious

Thirdgen89GTA

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Do you even google? Do some research. Find the top 10 stock lists for those cars.

beltran89

I google but all it tells me is the mustang gt 2000 and up can take a camaro ss which doesnt sound righ which is why im here

Thirdgen89GTA

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Are your research skills that poor? Are you unable to find 1/4 mile time slip posts? LSXTech has probably hundreds of threads relating to it, and they have a top ten list for stock cars, as well as modified cars.

The Mustang forums have the same lists.

I know for a fact the Subaru forums have top ten lists.

You can google all of that information, read it, then come to a conclusion. Find the trap speeds for these cars, look for the median numbers, not the fastest or slowest.

Magazine's post instrumented tests all the time. Compare the data found there.

Just because not everything is true on the internet, doesn't mean everything is a lie. Use your brain and research skills you should have learned in Jr High and High School. You are 17 years old according to your profile. What you are asking is the same thing as asking a Professor in college to write the Term paper for you. You may think it a crap post, but I've just told you how to find the answers you are looking for. The internet is the most powerful information tool we've ever had. Information has never been easier to find.

beltran89

I just wanted to see if i coukd get a somple answer so indont have to research maybe someone had roughy had an idea.dont have get all worked up on me, because i dont know what a stock camaro ls1 in. Third gen xan do.

Thirdgen89GTA

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Answer these questions.

Did you reduce the weight of your car? What does it weigh compared to the 4th gen.

You increased power with the swap. What was the HP to Weight ratio before and after the swap.

Answer that, and you will have your answer.

beltran89

Hey guys i have a 3.1 v6 camaro, 5 speed. Friend has a 2016 challenger v6, does 0-60 in 6 seconds flat. Besides swapping an engine, and trying not to turbo if possible, with that being said what would i need to best him ?(we we wouldnt really be doing anything more than 60)