project89

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who would win?

DeathStarr89

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is this a trick question?

project89

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lmao nope

3.1 with some boltons/ cam/converter and a tune
mustang apears to have an ex system anything else is unknown

Bullydawg

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Mustang. Unless the Camaro raced it while the Mustang was parked. Then I guess the Camaro would win.

project89

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really i dont think it would be that bad the 4.6's arent that fast

ninetyone

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Yes they are fast. The 05' and up are in Ls1 territory.

88fastgta

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lol i think the mustang will win lol.... a modded 3.1 with the mods your listed will probably hang with a stockish 305 5 speed tpi car.. it takes a quite of few mods for a 350 tpi to beat a 07 mustang gt.... my car as it is has a hard time with those type mustangs with mods and similar ls1 cars let alone that v6 car your talking about... so unless that v6 had a ton of nitrous he doesnt stand a chance...

project89

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u guys sure about that ?????????????????
http://youtu.be/oSNDeJ9d2sE

DeathStarr89

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I raced an old high school buddy at the track and he was keeping up with my cavalier in the low 13's. He just had some bolt-ons and drag radials. It was a '06 IIRC.


Bone stock they should run a 14 flat

88fastgta

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wow... either that camaro has more mods than u listed or it must be a very high 13 second pass or the mustang owner cant drive.. honestly that mustang should have whooped that camaro...

edit... are those mustangs really that slow in the quarter mile... i was thinking he should be in the high 12 second range...

project89

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i forgot the 3.1 has ported heads, but other then whats listed and boltons thats it the 3.1 ran a 13.70 in qualifying with a crappy launch and lifting at the top end of the track

also lifted against the mustandg as well

project89

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here is the 13.70 he ran
http://youtu.be/awLA5x2PjzM

88fastgta

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wow nice numbers for that camaro.... i didnt think they were that fast....

Bullydawg

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Is a Turbo considered a bolt on to you?

budfreak1

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Why are you not mentioning the turbo and why can nobody read a sig to see that???
And yes, Mustangs with a 4.6 are slow, the year doesn't matter.

project89

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yes it is, both turbos and blowers are considered boltons

88fastgta

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makes me wanna see what my car does at the track...

project89

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its not my v6 car its fasteddi's so reading my sig would have nothing to do with it

his car should run in the 12's once he gets the 2step and some bigger injectors right now without the 2 step and the injectors he has he can only get the car down to about 13.2-13.3's

and its not my fault that nobody asked what boltons

88fastgta

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well you sorta left the turbo out the list which makes it waaaaay misleading.... i knew it was too fast NA..... and i consider bolts on like headers intake or something that EASILY bolts on the the car without extensive work ... turbos and blowers are are whole different ballpark... no one says bolts and forgets to mention power adders...

project89

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not really am91rs or whatever his user name has a NA 3.4 powered 3rdgen that runs 14.0 (should say had iirc he blew it up a while back due to detonation or something)

its all in good fun though most ppl think the v6 is just slow and u cant do nothing with it

900 bucks for a low 13 second car is pretty good though

big hammer

ummm wut? no.

budfreak1

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I thought it looked familiar. I will be meeting up with him soon more than likely, maybe even make it out to the track to run with them for a day. I know of a guy in Columbus that runs a 13.7 with a N/A 4th gen V6 bird.
And very few people consider a turbo a bolt on.

88fastgta

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i mean i respect that but a turbo is a pretty huge mod just be called a bolt on.. and to put a turbo as the same "bolt on" logic as headers and intake and other things most people consider bolt ons is misleading and abit silly.. it makes it look like you have to hide the turbo factor just to get respect for v6 thirdgens..... you can make any car fast with a turbo.. and for anyone to have a slow car with a aftermarket turbo would be very embarrassing... look at all the 4 cylinder cars today... they are nothing unless you slap on a turbo and turn the boost up......

DeathStarr89

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a turbo is not a bolt on.. lol

Guest

I have never understood this morbid fascination with the V6 thirdgens. I will be martyred for this, but they suck. Totally biased and ignorant opinion, but it is mine. "Will my V6 beat this?" "Will my V6 beat that?" Who cares? Thirdgens are freaking awesome but the Mustang, even IF it were slower would be cooler due to its V8 status.

DeathStarr89

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Having owned several V8 and now a V6 3rd gen i've met quite a few people with the same opinions. They see my big hood and ask what's under it, the udder shock when i say "its a V6" is just funny.

Then i pop the hood and i hear crickets.



BTW, i drove a total of 60 miles the other day to the track and back home, ran 16 low 14/high 13 sec passes and only used 5 gallons of gas.

Lets see a V8 3rd gen do that.

budfreak1

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That's only 12.8 MPG lol.

88fastgta

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im pretty sure an lsx swapped thirdgen can do that and im pretty sure an iron duke thirdgen gets more gas mileage than a v6 thirdgen..who cares....who really cares..anyone knows that most v8 arent the best when it comes to gas mileage. who really thinks about gas mileage when building a v8.. maybe some people do if its their only car.. this is why i have a 4 cylinder truck as a daily driver..the gta is my toy car and i usually drive it hard when i do drive it, its been built for abuse... gas mileage is the last thing on my mind when i get done finishing building my trans am...

DeathStarr89

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lol, 4 miles of that was running a mid 12:1 AFR

budfreak1

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What's it get normally? I get 23 in mine and it's full bolt-on and tuned running 13's.

fasteddi

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Awsome, I still love it that some people dont like V6's no matter what.

Ive dumped little $$ in this car and shaved about 3 1/2 seconds off the 1/4 mile from last year to this year. I get good gas mileage and its reliable. I know Project89 was having some fun here, but really that turbo wasnt that hard to "bolt on" It was the tuning that was that PITA.

I know a turbo can make any car faster, but the amount of $$ I used to do this is about as much as most people add to there V8 for some simple bolt ones(I.E a set of alum. head cost as much as I put into my car). Im gussing here but I bet im pumping out 260-300Hp. So thats about +120-160Hp over the stock rating. Also keep in mind that im only running between 11-12psi of boost. So im not really jacking the boost up like crazy to make those passes. So theres more Hp that can be added for free if I just tuned it right.

Those 3 valve mustangs do have some power(300Hp rating). Close to LS1 terrirory. They are just heavy as most new sports cars are. I got some LT1 Camaros/trans ams under my belt. Really I peddled that race aganst that mustang, and my launches are just horrible. 2.15 60ft times and running 13.95 is pretty bad. Also rememeber this is ET racing so that mustang got the pleasure to leave the line first since it was a slower dial in. He left about 2 tenths before me.

Give the car some credit.

fasteddi

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BlueZee28

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Maybe its totally different elsewhere but in the St Louis area where I live, nobody will even look at you unless you are running at least in the 11's. There are multiple street cars running 8's and 9's that are street legal and drive to and from the track. A 13.xx here is laughable. Im not saying that your guys' turbo V6's arent cool, because I do kind of like them, but theres not muh to brag about with a slow ET.

DeathStarr89

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around 35 highway, 20 city now that i've got the tune cleaned up. (as long as I drive responsibly).



Fasteddi, what tires are you using?


BlueZee28, no turbo here.. 13's N/A on street tires

fasteddi

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MT 26x10.5 Et Street (cheater slicks)

fasteddi

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There are some sub 10 second street cars out at the track im at but is a joke because they run so inconsistant. Also im in points races so there isnt many fast street cars. Most all of them are trailor queens, why do you think I tryed to race that mustang?? If I wouldnt of went .015 red he would have been a easy win. I love the speed but when it comes down to saturday night, I look for those fast street cars to race becuase they are in no way as consistant as a full 12sec race car. Friday is my day to have fun and just try to go fast, saturday is down to business and try to rack up points. My sportsman class has a time cut of 12.00 seconds. Any faster then your in pro. or super pro class.

project89

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my 3.1 gets 35mpg highway if i drive it normally, if i granny it i can get damn near 40mpg

and thats with a 4,500 stall non lockup and 4:10 rear gears

if im beating the hell out of it ill prolly get about 8mpg though

fasteddi

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New best fellas. 13.36@102Mph. Beat my current best by .34 seconds for just boxing the LCA and launching under boost. Ran all 13.50's and under all weekend....

dont look at the RT, just look at the final time and speed.

rx7speed

even if they aren't a V6 thirdgen is that much slower though.


Even then I'm not sure


of course their are exceptions for those running turbo/nitrous or quite a bit more work under the hood but just a mostly stock v6 isn't that fast.

TPI-Formula350-

Yeah, those 4.6 Mustangs are pretty slow.

TTOP350

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The new 2011-12? Stangs run low 13s high 12s outa the box.
Im not a mod motor fan at all but the new one runs fairly well.

fly89gta

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Not a 4.6.

TTOP350

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The 4.6 L (4601 cc, 281 CID)[2] 90-degree V8 has been offered in 2-valve SOHC, 3-valve SOHC, and 4-valve DOHC versions. The engines were also offered with both aluminum and cast iron blocks, depending on application. The 4.6 L's bore and stroke are nearly square at 90.2 mm (3.552 in) and 90 mm (3.543 in), respectively. Deck height for the 4.6 block is 227 mm (8.937 in) and connecting rod length is 150.7 mm (5.933 in) center to center, giving the 4.6 L a 1.67:1 rod to stroke ratio. Cylinder bore spacing measures 100 mm (3.937 in), which is common to all members of the Modular engine family. All Modular V8s, save for the new 5.0 L Coyote, utilize the same firing order as the Ford 5.0 L HO and 351 CID V8s (1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8). The 4.6 L engines have been assembled at Romeo Engine Plant, located in Romeo, MI, and at Windsor Engine Plant and Essex Engine Plant, both located in Windsor, Ontario.

The 5.0 L (4951 cc, 302 cid)[9] "Coyote" V8 is the latest evolution of the Modular engine.[10] As the existing 4.6L Modular approached the end of its development cycle, Ford engineers needed to design a new V8, specifically for the Mustang GT, that would compete with the GM 6.2L LS3 used in the new Chevrolet Camaro, and the Chrysler 6.1L Hemi ESF in the Charger and Challenger. The new engine had to remain close to the same physical size of the outgoing 4.6, and share other specifications with the Modular family, such as bore spacing, deck height, bell housing bolt pattern, etc. The result was the 5.0 Coyote, which produced roughly the same amount of power as its competitors, but with a much smaller displacement. To achieve the same size and weight as the 4.6, a cylinder block with thin walls was used. To strengthen it enough to handle increased output, webbing was extensively used as reinforcement in the casting, rather than increasing the thickness of the walls. The intake plenum was also situated low between the two cylinder banks to meet the height constraint, thus the alternator traditionally placed low and center was moved to the side of the engine. It shares the 4.6 L's 100 mm (3.937 in) bore spacing and 227 mm (8.937 in) deck height,[11] while bore diameter and stroke have increased to 92.2mm (3.629 in) and 92.7mm (3.649 in), respectively. The engine also retains the 4.6 L's 150.7 mm (5.933 in) connecting rod length, which produces a 1.62:1 rod to stroke ratio.[12] The firing order has been changed from that shared by all previous Modular V8s (1-3-7-2-6-5-4-8) to that of the Ford Flathead V8 (1-5-4-8-6-3-7-2).[12] Compression ratio is 11.0:1, and despite having indirect fuel injection (as opposed to direct injection) the engine can still be run on 87 octane gasoline.

The new 5.0 is just a 4.6 bored 2.0mm and stroked 2.7 mm. Its the same POS mod motor to me and anyone can do this to a 4.6..
I'm still not a mod motor fan..

Jeffs82TA

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I call B.S. to your 35mpg highway and you would win the big fish of the year with your 40mpg

project89

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no bs jeff if u drive the thing like a human it gets awsome gas milage.

most ppl think the 4:10's will hurt gas milage but with the low power the engine makes the 4:10's help out a great deal in city driving to help get the car moving without having to lay into the throttle or go into boost.


now out were i live now i suspect it would get less mpg since the speedlimit here is 80mph instead of 55

will find out soon enough though

Jeffs82TA

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sorry but my 4th gen 3.8 dont get that so now way yours can. Mine couldnt even pull that off when it was new. I think the best it ever got was around 29mpg. So I still call B.S to your 35mpg especially with 410 gears Mine has 342, and runs excellent, automatic, my avearge all combined at fillups is only 25mpg.

project89

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ur forgetting the fact my v6 is nowere near stock

the crank and whole rotating assembly was lightened to the max
custom ground cam to my specs
heads cnc ported by me
i made my own stainless turbo headers and turbo system
not to mention i have a standalone engine management system car goes down the highway with 17.3-1 afrs

theres a bunch of ppl on this board with first hand experiance of both being in and driving my v6 car that will vouch for it

we have a few guys pulling down 30+ mpg on the highway with stock v6 cars on this board

fasteddi

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Well I will add Im getting 25Mpg easy when I drive it normal and it has never been in "closed loop" yet. Any tuner knows that closed loop has some items in it that will raise up MPG. If I really wanted to tune it, I bet I could also get 30-35Mpgs, with a 300Hp V6. Its not B.S. I agree with dave on this forsure.

jensen73110

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Project89 went trolling and a few took the bait.

For what it's worth, most other boards consider forced induction a bolt-on. It isn't internal work, but does bolt on.

project89

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exactly a turbo systm generally consists of headers that u bolt on then everything else pretty much bolts to that.u do not have to open up an engine and replace parts for 90% of turbo installs