88FormulaF_Bomb

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A. if you have any motor besides an l98, do not race anything! 305 cars are the reason people think hondas are fast.
B. if you have an l98, you can race hondas and minivans. but you are still very slow and you will get beat by v6 muskrats.
C. if you own a 305 car, do NOT go to the track and race. you will only be upset by a pocketfull of 16sec timeslips.
D. if you insist on racing you stockish thirdgen, pick your battles carefully, dnt ever think you are about to win. but if you tree hard and launch right a stock l98 will hang with alot newer cars to about 80.
E. have fun, be safe, go race.


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Twin_Turbo

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Again? Didn't you post this some time ago?? I have seen this BS before.

88FormulaF_Bomb

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yea i accidentally posted it in the wrong section. i just reposted it to get it in the theory and street racing section.btw whats so bs about it


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Twin_Turbo

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you have a 2.77 rear axle LOL, does it ened any more proof than that? Granny gears and you are talking about slow!! LOL

88FormulaF_Bomb

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exactly stock is slow, even with the hottest l98 and 3.23 gear , a thirdgen will run high 14s which is stil slow.


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mmadden55

So mod it. Are there any stock third gens left?

88FormulaF_Bomb

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yea theres alot $1000 craigslist fbodys that kids like me buy em,fix em and hot rod em. almost completely stock and slower then dirt, but fun to drive, they look cool


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midias

I think if you dont include replacing a rusted exhaust system there are plenty of stock thridgens around here.

But 88 is right in my modded 1988 Accord I could take 305s without an issue. My 71 montecarlo had no issues with 305s and 350.
Even my winter toyota can take 305s

fasteddi

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I agree on this V6's, TBI 305's are just plan old slow. Mod them though and at least there a little funner. TPI 305s arent too bad though. Mid 15's stock is better then the 16s the TBI's shoot out and the 17's the V6 do...lmao.

CradleofFilth08

lol What model V6 are you losing to?

1983LU5TA

My 91 LB9/G92/N10 Formula doesn't have any problems running with L98s. Its far from fast, but still surprises a lot of people that think they're picking on an "old 16-17sec F-body". As said above, they don't have to be fast to be fun. I've got a 10sec 63 Dart, and an 11sec 69 Charger....both street driven. Thirdgens are just fun to drive and look great

Dakota W.

My 5.0L beat an '02 Dodge Durango 5.9L magnum. It's not slow, but it's not fast either. It's also mostly stock. I agree with Twin_Turbo, this post is BS.

tpivette89

Some of the original post is true... a lot of sedans and vans made today can actually hang with or beat stock thirdgens.

However, not all 305s are 16 sec LG4s or L03s. My stock '87 IROC LB9/5speed went 14.9 at 94mph with a crappy 2.3 60ft. With a better launch it would be an easy mid 14 sec car. L98s should go mid - low 14s stock with a good launch in good air.

And I don't care if your running 16s or not, that shouldn't deter you from going to the dragstrip and having some fun or shooting for a new personal best. I used to race my stock 16.0 sec '84 Z28 all the time. I didn't beat much, but that wasn't the reason I was there... I wanted a baseline to gauge the enhancement of future mods

87rattler

I own a minivan and a third gen, and the minivan can't take the off ramp at 160 km/h...it's down right scary at 100.

87rattler

If you just bought your first '69 HEMI Charger READ THIS

1. Be prepared to be laughed at in braking distance to a SMARTCAR.
2. Don't race a go-kart on the auto-cross.
3. Blah Blah Blah

cIaRmOaCrZo

i own a variety of engines in 3rdgens. i have two 3.1's, two 2.8's, one lg4, one lb9, one l98, and efi 383....obviously most of those are not fast, just barely economic with lots of style. i never try to race ANYTHING unless im at least in the lb9 and up. and would still not be too sure about any of them. its common sense, as each day passes things get faster and more efficiant. so its no suprise that the l98 can only "hang" with a modern granny mobile. but stack 3rdgens up back in THIER day...they did pretty damn good with the rest of the 80s cars. if not dominated lol. so its annoying when you idiots with hillbilly hacked 3rdgens just beat them the rest of the way down to thier mechanical pulp. because honestly all i ever see when it comes down to the $1,000 3rdgens, are piles of junk that have outdated carbs slapped on in place of tpi's and such, with no exhaust, AND unproperly tuned carb at that . so now those cars compare with my 3.1 in the power department and suck up much more fuel doing it

88FormulaF_Bomb

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you will all sit here and jump my case but do u remeber what it was like with no garage, barely any tools, and 160hp tryin your best to get the most out of it, only to be crushed by some kid in his moms rav4. it's devastating, and i almost gave up on racing. i iust want other young members to kno what bs awaits them as they build their first hotrod. so get off my case as most of the ppl in here posting bought thier first fbody 10 years ago and have already experienced the bs .so u have no need to comment


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87rattler

Enjoy it for what it is, not what you want it to be.

paul_huryk

Considering even the slowest LG4 cars can run 15.0 with bolt-ons and most L98 cars run into the mid 14's stock...

Seriously, even though more modern cars with smaller engines can run better, think of all the parts you can replace and get big power and performance. Sure a new 370Z might have 330hp+ and run well into the 13's, but can you do H/C/I and run 11's with it? No way, but an L98 can! Not to mention that an LSX swap will give you all the power of the 4th and 5th gen cars with less weight and a good stealth factor...

Fast355

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So full of mis-information.

2007xl50

Sure my 2013 Jeep Wrangler Sport S will beat my TA, but the TA is still fun to drive in it's own right. 11 years ago when I had my 125hp 1998 Jeep TJ I never would have dreamed I would have a 285HP JK. Back in the day the 3rd gens were not bad. I mean even the earley C4 Vettes are not fast by todays standards.

Dakota W.

I would also like to point out that a mechanically well kept L98 with factory AC delete will hang with, if not beat most modern cars. I'd attribute my win over the durango in my LB9 to an AC delete and a a/fr that is very close to 14, as well as perfect timing. As said before, the TPI engines were nothing to scoff at, and one cant really scoff at the carb'd engines because they really weren't built for performance.

88FormulaF_Bomb

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are you serious? you dnt have ac and you beat dodge durrango.its still slow dude,ive beaten a cobalt ss, c4 vette etc. off street lights but that doesnt mean my car isnt slow.


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Podium

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This thread sucks.

big hammer

ls1 ftw

Dakota W.

Is the only thing you read the a/c delete? I have an LB9, not an L98 like you. I raced the durango from a dead stop, 0-90, I pulled on him in every gear and decided to let off because I was doing 45 over the limit, I'm not talking about street lights here.

cIaRmOaCrZo

im guessing your in a tech trade school or something arent you? you sound like all the typical lincoln tech kids when i went there...

Podium

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Are you guys really talking about racing Durangos? LOL

fasteddi

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Yes it does. Howd we get from thirdgens to durrangos and other cars.

Thirdgens are as fast as you want them to be. Seriously who keeps a thirdgen completly stock anyways??

A V6 can easily be fast so I know a LB9 Or L98 can be faster, easier. So if you just got a thirdgen and want it to be a preformance car then just mod it up. The aftermarket is nice to us and so is this website full of info.

If you just want style on a thirdgen then enjoy it as IMO it was the last nice camaro/firebird short of the late 98+ bubble light 4th gens

pearl_iroc

This exactly what I think when I see threads like this.

Podium

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So much good in this post. When I sold my forth Gen I wanted a hard top, unmolested iroc. Do you have any idea how hard it is to find one that some dumb *** didn't rip the AC out of in an attempt to make the car faster? Taking out the AC is just plain stupid if your only reason is to make the car faster. I think this is an old wives tale started by the old school guys who were jealous of AC lol. Don't get me wrong, removing the drag of the belt and the AC system will net speed, but not much in your average street car, nor is it worth it IMO. I'd rather be cool and lose a few horse than be uncomfortable and get my 10 horse back. They think removing the AC turns their car from 15 seconds to 12 seconds.

Don't get me started in the guys who take out the crap "Efi" and put the Carb intake on. I'm sure that Victor Jr will work great with the stock heads and cam.

cIaRmOaCrZo

oh i know, its next to impossible to find regular non "museum quality" irocs that dont have tpi anymore that are for sale. or ones that have had all the decals stripped from them, rattle can jobs, ect...but if thats not bad enough, its sick when i DO see decent ones (ones i would buy) getting parted out and scrapped.

urbanhunter44

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Even if your car runs a 16 that just means it's really, really easy to get faster. Especially when you compare to a car running 11s where it's really hard to go faster without major work. Having a slower thirdgen would never stop me from modding it and seeing what it can do.

88blackiroc

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SH*T! So thats the reason I got destroyed by a mini-van?
Who cares if you wanna race a 305 or even a v6 third gen? Its all about fun. Maybe its me but I think a v6 third gen vs a smartcar would be a very epic race

evilemokid94

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okay, this upsets me, you posted this and stired up all this to warn "younger" members about building their cars and getting beat? that just seems like your beating down the younger memebers for trying to make their car what they want and since i am pretty much considered a "younger" member here i take offense to this, iv owned my car for almost 4 years now and got it when i was 14. i have made my $250 car into what i think in my own mind is a very good looking car, even being a "younger" member i have been into every single part of my car, from the body to the transmission and differential working on it and trying to maintain it, but even thought i had a v6 in it for those 4 years, i enjoyed it and kept up on that v6, sure it wouldnt beat anything and was a dog on the road in my mind but it would start up for me every time and get great gas milage. but like everyone else said in this forum, if you want something fast, mod your car, which is why now my car has a carbed l31 vortec sitting under the hood.

i guess what im trying to say is watch what you say about the younger members, because some of us arent into racing and trying to beat everyone we see in our cars, some of us try and make them as nice as we can.

Podium

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Too bad you didn't give up, would have saved us from this crappy thread.

robertfrank

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Wanna race my 305 TBI....I promise you that it will give you more than a run for your money.....

KidwithIROC

88 is right sadly. I got stomped at a local "drag strip" by an S60R. and an S80. The look on their faces when i returned with my hyertech chip and 3.70 gears and beat them both by about a length though...

KidwithIROC

Amen. and hey, the car is 25 years old. In their day, our thirdgens were outrageous powerhouses just like we see the crazy powerful ZL1 camaros now. but now, they should be taken care of. Remember, they still look cool.

lozantius82

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[quote=88FormulaF_Bomb;5414123]A. if you have any motor besides an l98, do not race anything! 305 cars are the reason people think hondas are fast.
B. if you have an l98, you can race hondas and minivans. but you are still very slow and you will get beat by v6 muskrats.
C. if you own a 305 car, do NOT go to the track and race. you will only be upset by a pocketfull of 16sec timeslips.
D. if you insist on racing you stockish thirdgen, pick your battles carefully, dnt ever think you are about to win. but if you tree hard and launch right a stock l98 will hang with alot newer cars to about 80.
E. have fun, be safe, go race.

I ran a 14.90 @86mph in a full bolt on L03 with 3.73's and all the ultimate tbi mods.
My current engine which came from my wrecked G92 89 Iroc LB9 has ran a best of 14.56!!! Whats up with that?!!! You must not know much judging by your uneducated troll list you pulled from your *#%!
People if you got a L98 you can run 14.4's stock with a 3.27 gear or 3.23, but this guys car has 2.77's I am pretty sure my 305 can embarrass his 350 EASILLY!!!!

86White_T/A305

Is this what TGO is coming to? Encouraging new comers to the hobby not to enjoy their car as it sits stock and learn bit by bit about their driving skills and improve with the car as they build it?

Face it..if you are getting into racing then..getting your *** handed to you is bound to happen by someone and its a lesson to be learned.You cant win them all and its not just about winning anyway.

Ive been on this board since I was 16(30 now) and had my first t/a 305 lg4 auto.I learned alot from racing that car against anyone willing to give me a shot and I made that rust bucket put shame to others a year later with mods.When your young..losing a race only makes you want to be faster better for the next race.

Id tell anyone new in here..these cars turn heads.They are hard to find in great shape for good price.Take one..make it nice..drive it! If you're new to racing.. you can stick the fastest motor etc in the car and still pull a 25sec time in the 1/4 and then what are you going to say.Its the car's fault or the driver...earn your stripes its not bs.

And 100% nothing wrong with having a stock 3rdgen..you would be surprised how many people will respect it for being stock and being maintained.Back in the late 80's early 90's many of these cars were write offs from ppl not used to the torque of the tpi motors much less now where cars are generally making over 300hp and alot of new drivers arent even ready for that much to begin with.

Fast355

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[QUOTE=lozantius82;5418343]He does not know what he is talking about but make no mistake the newer cars AND TRUCKS run very strong right out of the box. I ran a better time than you in a near stock 5,300+ lbs american built Japanese branded crew cab truck with only a CAI and muffler swap. With a few other mods it has dipped into the high 13s. The newer V8s FLY with minimal work.

Street Lethal

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It's amazing that twenty years later, people are actually comparing stock 3rd gens to newer vehicles, while proclaiming stock 3rd gens to be slow. How retarded. The 3rd gen did absolutely fine during its day against all of the competition back then. Since everybody is bent on comparing stock 80's 305's to newer stock Nissan 370's, how about we do a 180 and start comparing stock 80's 300ZX's to newer stock 5th gen LSX Camaro's, or does that now make it a little too understandable for everyone...

T/Atime

you seem to have good grasp of what is "fast" and what is "slow" lets pretend im a young guy that has an interest in 3ed gens. at what point can i say that my car is fast?

88FormulaF_Bomb

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11.90 or better on a street tire and pump gas and id say your car is fast. anything less is quick, anything under a 13.90 is pedestrian slow


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T/Atime

You sound like a downer man, cheer up and fix your trans so you can keep up with the traffic on the sidewalks. Wait, you don't race on the sidewalks do you? I sure hope not! Keep it safe and stick to street racing. Jk I couldn't help myself.

Buggy Disaster

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Your post is very ignorant. Not many buy a STOCK thirdgen expecting it to beat everything on the road and track.

I'm considered the "younger generation" and I bought my car to enjoy it, and look damn good while doing so. Not to go and street race at every light.

keeslinger31

I did beat one minivan with the 305 but they had the doors open

Savage388

Wow if that's fast then everything must be slow to you. So a c6 corvette is slow? How about a new camaro ss? They dont run 11.90 so they must be, right? Im a young third gen owner and people like you really make us all seem ignorant. My car is no where near 11.90 but its plenty fast to have fun in and it'll hold its own with anything anyone around hear has if I choose. Drive something that runs low 13's or high twelves its pretty quick when your not bench racing.

mw66nova

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so what is the fastest car you have actually driven down the racetrack? not taken down the street and beat on a little bit, or thought about driving; the fastest car you've made a full pass in? if you don't think 13.90 is fast for a street car then you are a fool, and have been overridden with dumb magazine propaganda.

couple of things to note:
-had a buddy go 14.3x's with an lb9/t5 car with nothing more than headers/catback/intake free mods. still had 3.08's in it
-i had an lt1 cammed 305 go 14.2x's with a set of headers/catback/carb with a 2000 stall and 3.23's
-i put a 305 car into the 12.3x's on motor with pump gas and full interior
-bolt on/stalled l98's will go 13.5's or better


these cars are stupid easy to mod to, the market support is HUGE!