92g92

Hey guys, haven't been on here in a looooong while. I've gotten started at college (University of South Carolina, any one else here?) and have recently shifted my passion for speed and mechanics over to motorcycles after I got my Camaro where I wanted it to be. I have ridden several types of motorcycles and own a 1994 Kawasaki ZX6. The first time I rode my ZX6 I was dumbstruck. I could not believe that ANYTHING could be that fast. Nothing. My first time on an 11 second vehicle, what can I say? Then I sat back and thought, "This is a 600. From 1994. Good Lord, what can the bikes do now days?" When I got back in town for break, I rode a 2011 Yamaha R6 and a 2013 Honda CBR1000RR. It is just other worldly, I swear I'm still giggling and half slack jawed from the experience.

I remember when I would hang out at the car scene downtown on Friday and Saturday nights and this one guy in a Mark III Supra with a Mark IV engine swapped to a single turbo was challenged by three guys on liter bikes to a highway race. He never told anyone his power numbers (I have no idea why) but according to the motorcyclists, he whipped them. I cannot wrap my head around what kind of car could be capable of this after riding a 1000cc. Now, I've built two pretty solid cars, both New Edge mustangs making right around 650 rwhp, one a centri super charger and one a stroked turbo. Felt fast as hell and mean, but neither one FELT liked it could hang with a liter bike, or even my antiquated 600, for that matter. So, my question is this: Who here has a car that can take on a superbike, and what exactly does it take? I am heavily into motorcycles right now, but my true love will always be cars. It will do my heart good to know that it is possible for the common man to build a car that can take out those screaming little bastards. Thanks guys!

DanielRicany

A lot of people see bikes in their own league. I don't even bother with them when they ask to line up because I know I'll lose. There's no point in racing a stock bike that would smoke the fastest cars at the local track...

midias

The new CBR1000s can run factory 9s. There are definitely guys here that can take them but not a lot.

When racing motorcycles just stick to Harleys and any other 45 degree Vtwin.

Orr89RocZ

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I fear no bike

midias

You are one of the few although the NLR busa guys with 350+whp might be a problem.

92g92

Anyone heard of the Kawasaki H2 coming out? Supposedly 300 horsepower from the factory. Might give even the mighty Orr a shiver down his spine. It's insane.

Orr89RocZ

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Any of the drag bikes with weight reduction and a small shot or even turbo bike would be very interesting. But I got another 200-250 ish hp to go from what i had when i trapped 156 lol bikes have horrible aerodynamics at the high speeds. That may be my best chance lol just need meth inj and retune this spring

midias

The NLR turbo Busas with extended swing arms can run a 7 to a 9 so it can be hard to tell. Seems very rider dependent.

This is a neat vid. The fun starts around 1:20

92GTA

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My new Ducati can do 0-60 in 2.5secs bone stock. Even my old 2009 could do it in 2.9secs, and that was prior to installing a smaller front sprocket. My best top speed is ~164mph which was my max because of gearing, it's geared for super acceleration not top speed.

I just don't see the need for a fast car anymore, which is great because it has and still will save me freakin TONS of money and effort trying to make my cars fast like I used to lol.

Cars are my passion tho, the bikes are just throw away toys.

92g92

Exactly my line of thinking. I will never stop building cars. But as far as ***** to the wall lose your mind insane builds, I see no reason now, thanks to bikes. My Camaro can crack off a 13.5 quarter on a good day, my bike can hit 11's. But my Camaro is my baby, the bike is a rough, ghetto looking beat to hell $1k motorcycle. That's how I'll always view bikes compared to cars.

Orr89RocZ

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Most of the bikes i see run at our track trap 130-145 mph. Thats not outside the realm of a budget turbo lsx build. You only need 700 whp to go mid 140''s at 3500 lbs

antman89iroc

"only need 700 whp" lol. It's like the billionaire who casually drops a mil or 2 on some whim. No biggie.

On the other end there are the rest of us clawing and scratching for 4-500. Awww we can only dream.

Btw every bike I've owned was "the fastest vehicle I've ever owned" with the exception being my love affair with CB350 twins. Even those "turtles" by bike standards would whip most 80's-90's cars in the 1/8th. (ok-well some) But I've kinda gone the other way, being 50+ I'm starting to get a little scared of bikes and am putting more into the car these days. I haven't lost the need for speed it's just my reflexes aren't what they used to be and I'd kinda like being around a while to enjoy my grand daughter. Riding has always been a "rider beware" activity and it seems other motorists are getting more ridiculous by the day. Shi-- stuff happens pretty fast at 100+

Orr89RocZ

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Lol a 4.8-5.3 ls truck drop out can be had for 500-1000$. Ebay gt45 could almost get you there 600-700 whp mark. Couple hundred bucks in mild steel logs. Not all that expensive to make a budget big hp motor. Basic rebuild th400 will hold it

BBSDesigns

I've ran three times with two different bikes, several years ago.
First time I ran with a bike was a "roll start" with a CBR600 that was cathing up with me. It was late at night when I noticed this bike getting closer through my rear view mirror, I was rolling at about 45mph, so I downshifted and waited for the bike to reach me. When the bike finally reached me and kept accelerating to pass me I also accelerated a bit more, the guy noticed it and "floored" the gas to make the kill and like so I also did. The GTA pulled to the front about 1-1 1/2 car length and got a final lead of about 2 cars lenght. When we reached the next stop light about 1/4 mile later I knew I was dead meat.
I stopped and waited for the green, he catch me and also waited for the green.... That was the first time I saw someone in a bike prepping himself for a hard launch sitting almost on top of the gas tank, I immediately knew then that it was his turn to smoke me!!!! What can I say, when that green finally showed up all I saw was a 600cc rocket leaving me behind with almost 20 or even maybe 40 cars lenghts!!!!
The third time was with a 1000cc bike and also a rolling start, same GTA same engine setup.
It was a Saturday or Sunday, who cares really I was on my way to visit my fiance, took the exit to enter a highway and accelerated a bit, immediately and once I joined the highway these two bikes traveling thru it catch up with me just entering to it. One guy in the 1000cc rapidly noticed the strange and distinctive sound of the turbo comming out of my GTA and so he teased me by reving the bike, I immeadiately then downshifted and the race was on!
To my HUGE surprise both machines stood side by side thru that gear, but once we both started upshifting the bike took the lead 2-3 feet at a time. By the end of the race the bike cleared my front, meaning that he won literally by his bike length. When we started to deccelerate he rejoined me at my door side and gave me his salute with several big thumbs up in awe of what the GTA just accomplished, I guess he never imagined the old GTA could run that fast. Although I did not won that one it felt great to give the bike a run for his money!!!
At that moment in time I was running a full metal body GTA with glass hatch, hard top, T56 and a 573rwhp sbc with one of my turbo headers.

willexoIX

Not a third gen but DAMNNNNNNNNNN.

Podium

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Most of the time you beat the rider not the bike.

plum92_camaro

My 92 RS has better 60' times than my 04 CBR1000RR. After that they are VERY different.

project89

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orr lets race


i need a hs to the 1/8th to spool the turbo though lmao

Orr89RocZ

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Lol!

On a side note those honda goldwing type cruiser bikes and some older harleys are NOT fast. I used to beat or hang with those bikes when i was running 13's with a bolt on l98

antman89iroc

Set up for dirt it may be a joke but my cousin had a Honda dirt bike he set up for drag and it was strong in the 1/8th. Quick ET's but modest trap speeds something like low 7's at 80mph.

And yeah the old big bikes were slooow compared to today. I used to call my 76 CB750 a dinosaur because it was so heavy and only had about 60hp.

Edwardgp

I must be getting old but hitting the concrete on the freeway is not appealing to me. Would still run one through the 1/4 mile though.

project89

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friends got a bunch of dirtbike and id love to take the one i ride to the track and see what it does

kx250f 45ish hp or the wrf 450 55-60hp, damn things are fast as hell on the dirt i can only imagine what they would with some actual traction

lol the one trime we tried to drag race them down a dirt/gravel lane his beadlock broke loose when he shifted to second and he spun the tire and tube ending the race before it started


i ride streetbikes but i take it easy on them , like edward said hitting the concrette/blacktop at speed isnt on my list of things i want to do.

now if i could just keep from hitting the ground on the dirtbikes id be set , last summer i suffered a few broken fingers, 2 concussions , bruised ribs and a sprained knee

Street Lethal

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I agree. When I was a kid, one of my older cousin's had a Kawasaki GPZ Turbo, the damn thing was fast as hell, and when I was old enough to ride it (luckily he still had it), I remember my hands slipping off of the bars until I got it into second gear. Didn't realize he fiddled with the turbo some on his own, very fast bike nonetheless. Bought a Honda Hurricane (used) as my first bike, along with a Ninja, but then got my hands on a busa later on down the road, and there is just no comparison. It's unreal today how much faster they are from the factory. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on a GPZ Turbo though, awesome bike for the time...

Ozz1967

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Says the man with 1000rwhp!!

antman89iroc

Fear only come into play when you're NOT at the top of the food chain.

Street Lethal

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There have been street CBR's and Busa's running high 6's and trapping over 200-mph since 2011, and although 1000 horsepower is nice to have, there is a tremendous difference between a 150-mph trap and a 200-mph trap, especially from a roll...

antman89iroc

No doubt, I always say there's no one who can't be beat. Just when you think you're the fastest one in town- here comes Kenny Bernstene. (ok showing my age here)
It's just my way of showing respect, awe and maybe a tich of jealousy. If you've built a 1000whp car you deserve a kudos in my book. I'll probably never have that experience but love to hear about those who do.

Orr89RocZ

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That 6.9 busa is a street legal pro street race bike. In other words not exacty "street" just in same sense that the unlimited drag week guys arent really street cars in a a sense. You're really stretching the definition imo.

90% of bikes you will see are under 160 mph traps these days. Big turbo busas and the like are in the 170-180's. Those are more rare than 6-7 sec street cars.

And i'll be closer to 1200-1300 if i ever have to run a big liter plus bike or any thats power adder

midias

The goldwings are getting better. The new ones are in the 11s

Street Lethal

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Stretching the definition lol? Are you now implying that you "fear" no street bike that comes straight from the factory, then? Perhaps you should correct your original statement. Pro Street bikes embellish stock appearing motorcycles with unlimited engine modifications, and all bikes must be street legal with VIN tags that are self starting with motorcycle engines only. In other words, street legal. I would definitely lean more towards the definition of "Pro Street" from the sanctioning body itself...

antman89iroc

Gosh SL I think the world of you but let him have a little fun. Anyway, lack of fear don't mean he can actually beat em.

Orr89RocZ

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Not implying anything. You are obviously looking for a rise out of me and are not gonna get it lol sorry. I'll run any bike and have no fear because i know the vast majority you'll run into are not pro street bikes. Ofcourse there are gonna be faster bikes out there, i'm not naive and dont consider my car untouchable. I'll run any car for that matter and realize there are tons faster than me. This thread was for fun, not to be taken literal word for word. Why dont you go finish your build so you have something to bring to the table for discussion

Street Lethal

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I am just teasing him...

Justin, relax lol. I know your car will clean the clocks out of most if not all of the bikes that you come across out there. By the way your right, I was looking to get a rise out of ya...

antman89iroc

Boy that escalated quickly. .... i think i killed a guy with a trident!

willexoIX

My turbo 2.8 will walk over Justins IROC. LOL
Sarcasm

RubberDucky

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I don't fear bikes either, just smash into one and you win.

83Z 355

you might like this one guys with a stock wheel base busa this nuts

zacharyhorn

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I love beating bikes. Stop or roll. Numerous times. It's actually funny to see the look on their faces after the race...

demonband2000

I'm not real worried about bikes, had a lot of various sorts over the years some real fast, others not, but enough to know my way around them a good bit.

I have a pretty healthy street car, it a not the wildest thing out there but I like to keep it running strong.

While the sports bikes may be fast, a simple fact is a large percentage of riders aren't and therefore can't wring the potential out of it. So I don't really beat the bike, but more the rider.

Bigfoottpi11

Most of the supercharged Thirdgens would give a bike a good run for the money, I have seen a 305 5 speed with a paxton supercharger on a stock engine beat a Kawasaki Ninja

antman89iroc

What a Ninja 250? Jk.
All vehicles are driver dependant but bikes even more so as others have stated. It's another world on a bike approaching 190. I can't even imagine a car that quick. Especially my third gen. Lol.

demonband2000

It's just one of those things. I've had a couple older liter bikes, yeah they were pretty fast, yes faster than a lot of cars.. example though. I had a finicky gsxr1100 bike big old bike, ran 9.42, best.. consistent 9.50s with me driving. Sold it to some guy that claimed how good he was at dragging. Suddenly a mid 9 second bike became a 13 sec bike, because of the know it all driver, that had no skills.. of course he complained. . I looked over the bike, nothing was wrong with it, but he just couldn't accept the fact that he didn't know how to drive it.

Another example. . A big b.s. talker kept at me about how fast his kfx400 quad was, so ok, upon having enough. . I raced with with my beat up blaster, he had no idea of how to launch, or shift effectively. . So I ate his big quad up with my little 200cc blaster. I know machine wise he had more than I did, heck I had a kfx 400 before and it was way faster than my blaster.. just a point that I beat the driver

Many. (Not all) Buy a fast bike and think they are the be all end all, but it takes a bit of practice to wring the potential out of a bike. I dont fear the squid on a bike, except for the fact they may wipe out... the force to be reckoned with is the ones with the skill.. they may even have a smaller bike ie 600 or so, but will put the smsmackdown on you.

antman89iroc

Amen to that. I know of a road racer who won a liter class championship on a 600cc bike. The only races he didn't finish in the top 5 were big tracks with long straights. In the twisties he'd always be at the front. Only place the bigger bikes had the advantage was in long straights.

Not drag racing but the point is the same. It takes a lot of skill to make a bike run in the 90% an up range. Heck, it takes more skill than most people think to make a car fast at the strip. Especially when a stick shift is involved. As a hobby builder/driver my times are all over the place lol...

Joe Tag

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I'll take on any bike. 20" bmx, ten speed, 12 speed, mountain bike, you name it. Last summer I smoked this guy running a bottle (of oxygen) under his coat. He started huffing about 20 ft off the line and I knew I had him. I can't wait until summer rolls around so I can terrorize the track at the V.A. park again!

357 Camaro

^^ omg lol joe I actually laughed out loud. That was a good one.

nossbc

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I run my brother with his 2004 r1 and my car on 150hp shot we where dead even till the top of third gear.
that being said my gta runs 10.20 on the 1/4@ 133mph
I have 2008 gsxr 1000 with some good mods and I know my gta will never out run it...lol

2slow5.0

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I had an 06 CBR600RR. Slow by comparison to much of the equipment discussed in this thread. But still much faster than I was smart enough for. I think many cars could get some bikes from a dig, just cause most riders will tend to wheel up on the start, but catch one that knows what there doing, could be a different story. My car is exsesively solw though. Lol

avenger79

had a guy in a fox body mustang pull up next to me on a stoplight when I was on a 600 SS bike. he was cool and asked if I would run with him to the next light.

I could not beat him to save my life. we hit next light and stopped, he asked how fast it was. I told him 135. cool I just wanted to know because the speedo stops at 85.


it's more fun to pass sportbikes now days on my Harley. I'm one of those old bastards been riding forever. I liked scraped pegs. LOL most of the kids on sportbikes have never done a real turn. they just go fast in one gear, straight. they let off to shift so it doesn't come up on them.

WTR388

I had an R6, low to mid 11s on it, I race motocross every weekend in the summer so I can launch a bike pretty hard.
I only took it to the track once.
Sold the bike because the typical road user is doing anything but paying attention to the road. I feel safer racing mx.

Goal with the car is to be in the same realm, not many cars are in the 11s, and it's "enough" speed... Of course I'd want more.

I loved being on a cheap bike and ripping on expensive cars.

nosajwols

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Assuming a race weight of around 3400 lbs (reasonable for a thirdgen) and typical thirdgen aero you will need around 800 hp at the flywheel to keep up with any modern litre bike in the 1/4. That assumes the car is set-up correctly and you can drive. Tall orde for a street car, all out race not so much (would be lighter too).

It assumes the guy on the bike can ride and most important--LAUNCH, the factory already set it up more or less...

Light to light the game changes, the difficulty in launching the bike evens things up a bit assuming a typical street rider.