articwhiteZ

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dropping the cash for some upgrade hard parts...getting a solid deal on all sonnax parts. the biggys 6 pinon planet for better gearing (in the trans)$650.
smart shell with input shaft $650.. and ever thing they make out of billet now.
this is just hard parts to go inside...lol $2000. then I get to install them..lol
love the way it was back in the day..but this upgrade...ouch! could go with a 2 speed glide with brake for this price and stuff I paid for a few years ago...

Anybody. try any of the 2 hard parts I listed..

no converte. got that coverd..

cosmick

TransGo HD2 kit in a salvage-yard 4L80E

Orr89RocZ

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At that point it almost makes sense to go 80e. Thats alot of coin for a 700r

articwhiteZ

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ya that's what a lot of builders have been saying.. but I have 2 new converters in boxes($500ea)long ago same part#s
for the 30 spine 700R4(always have back up parts). that and the 4l80 was $3400 then the yank converter was another $695.
so no the 700 is as good as I can make it. with parts today and its a bolt in...
but this is the last smallblock the car will ever get. without dropping almost $5000for a none Lenco trans (CS3)
that's whats coming soon!

jmd

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What planetaries did you get?
What 1st / 2nd ratios will they be?

articwhiteZ

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from the sonnax site 6 pinon planet

The steepest first gear ratio of any four-speed automatic (3.06) belongs to the GM 4L60/E family of transmissions. The shift from 3.06 ratio (first) to 1.63 ratio (second) is a dramatic ratio change, allowing engine RPM drop that results in performance engines falling out of the optimal power band. The Sonnax 2.84 input carrier kit 77284-K changes these popular units from a "wide ratio" 3.06/1.63 to a "close ratio" 2.84/1.55 configuration with more desirable RPM drop between 1-2 and 2-3 shifts. This keeps performance engines in the optimal power band while allowing a longer pull in first and second gears, improving consistency and performance.

This high-quality carrier has several advanced design features: the gears are precision-ground to OE standards, thrust washers are highly wear-resistant PTFE-coated material and the captured bearing is thicker late design. Lube channels direct oil to the pinion pins and the unit can be disassembled for inspection and service.
•Six-pinion design with advanced durability features
•Keeps engine in power band on 1-2 and 2-3 shifts
•Allows longer pull in first and second gears
•No special tools or machining required

the other planet is the GM 5 pinon planet.
other hard parts are the sonnax smart input drum and billet shaft (no snap ring) its bolt together with more steels and clutches.
and a billet output shaft
and every upgrade part sonnax makes for the 700R4/4L60
No deep pan. but a nice pan. .the size of cooler and 6AN lines adds 2qts more fluid..
and this is a None Lock up..

cosmick

I've seen how the 700R4's 1-2 looks on paper, but even with a stock 1500 stall it isn't that bad in real driving. One of my 2 daily drivers is an '03 E150 with the 4R70W, which is where the 2.84 / 1.55 ratios originated, and my other daily driver is a '94 Camaro 3.4L with the 4L60E ( same ratios as 700R4 )
I've owned fully a dozen working 700R4s / 4L60Es, some with stock converters behind various V6s and V8s, some with various high-stalls behind various V8s, so from all this relevant experience, I say the 3.06:1 first gear is all advantage, no disadvantage. I'm sick of people bashing it for a supposed offense that is all on paper, all in their minds. If it was a manual, like Ford's old SROD, ( 3.07 / 1.72 ) then it would be a legitimate concern. But the torque converter totally solves it.

articwhiteZ

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well when you have a car that runs in the 11's (10's with nos) with a 700R4. like I have...then you would know the diff...and all the benefits.. a close ratio would make..

we are not talking about DD to and from work and stores..as that type of tranny is not used..nore would it live with one pass..

TTOP350

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Well, what I have heard the different gear ratios aren't helping as much as clamed in some cases, barely a 10th.
I have been tossing the idea around myself but I cant justify that coin for a 10th. Would like to have more feedback.
I have also read that those gear ratios were designed/tested when the 700r4 came out and have recently been revisited.

articwhiteZ

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well even a 10th is better then nothing..with a single part swap. and I never did like the rpm drop..and now its a thing of the past.

Pro Built Automatics

You will get more out of a good matched torque converter with the stock gear ratio in the transmission. If you have seen a "tenth", that is the most that I have heard of. Some people have not seen anything except an emptier wallet. Call me and I will help you out here, and without spending a lot of unnecessary money on parts that will show little if any benefit. 909 795-1876 Dana

cosmick

Ford had the right idea, they made what amounts to a 4L80E strength-wise, with ratios close to the 4L60E, but it goes 1 - 1 OD - 2 - 3 - OD.
But for a non-computer automatic, the thing that makes the 700R-4 the best is not the stronger hard parts than the 200-4R, which the 700 has, it's the aggressive first gear.
If you've graduated to a turbo LSx, then the 4L80E is the best option. But for anything less, the 700 cant be beat.
Don't spend money to throw away an advantage.
And note, they do sell low-ratio gearsets for the 4L80E.
No such thing as too much gear, look at the 6L90E; it has a 4.03:1 first.

articwhiteZ

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the $2000 is ALL of todays best hard parts. they make for the 700R4.
nothing missed. along with the close ratio gearing in the tranny now.
and its a bolt in.
sonnax 6 pinon planet new $650
bolt together imput drum and billet imput shaft $650
that was the 2 big price parts..the rest is all the good stuff.
every thing sonnax makes for it. and some others

keeping the trany set up with my manual auto valve body. always liked it. (Lingenfelter did the build)

the thing I did not like was the RPM drop from 1st to 2nd.the way GM made them that's why the new close ratio upgrade.
more like a th400/350. when shifting from 1st to 2nd.. and. I want to beat on it with 700+hp.
NO TQconverter will bring the gears closer..only gears in the trany will do that. its simple math.
shift from 1st to 3rd in any trans that's what the 700R4 stock gears are like..I beat on one for years.

back in the 90s the car ran 11s and 10s and was fun no probs.. with like 490 hp ball park.and nos fogger.. going faster now more cid nos and boost..

this is the last small block I'm doing after this it lenco 5 speed and 500+cid

TTOP350

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Would be neat to run it with the current combo, rebuild the trans and do a direct swap with just that to see if what gains were made.

articwhiteZ

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would have been cool.. nothing is the same but the paint ..carpet and glass. starting out all new stuff so no base line...
it will be nice to see what the diff in rpm drop is like with the new parts..that old 1st to 2nd shift was a bummer. like going from 1st to 3rd.. just sucked! that's when all the close racing is lost as I have to jump on the bottle just to make up for the lost RPM.
but that's a thing of the past. more RPM More Cubes.. boost and nos!
note..i do have time slips from back in the day..so will see some diff I'm sure.

articwhiteZ

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also adding TCI auto trans brake for the 700R4 TCI 376025
its like $498 from jegs. **update order right from TCI** its only $445 WITH FREE SHIPPING!!

NOW that the hard parts are made for the 700R4 to stand up to over 700+ HP they make a trans brake for it now. its taken years. but they are out and can now be orderd/had. with a phone call.. sweet.

this brings the hard parts to over $2500.. will do a post on the install and work up
I would hate to see a mark up on the parts..as I picked up most at cost for the upgrade.
and remember this is just hard parts for a upgrade.
even when looking at a lot/all of trany adds on the net. I don't see any. with ALL. the hard parts that you can get today!
but I do see a 1 or 2 adds for $3500 tranys..still missing a few new hard parts made today.

articwhiteZ

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https://www.semashow.com/press/2015/...r-torque-gains

some times it good to go to SEMA!
no more foot braken the car...lol

TTOP350

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I guess they figured out the pressure fluctuation issues when the brake is applied?
Looked into this yrs ago and that was a unsolved issue at the time.

articwhiteZ

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talked to them..and yes. its good to go..

articwhiteZ

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So has of today. All of the new sonnex hard parts..came to. $2221.00. This is every billet Part they make. Along with all of the newest clutches steels and other small parts for the 700r4. And we're going to toss in one of the brand new TCI Trans breaks..thats another $498. ($445)
Will do a full right up on this transmission build. With photos and part numbers

This is going behind 427 small block Chevy. with 10 to 15 pounds of boost. & a dual stage nitrous system. 100 and 150 hit. Respectively on a progressive controller.

After all just... it's just a small block.
If I would have thought further ahead I would have ran a lower compression ratio.. And run 25 pounds of boost .. But has it is have to run 110 octane unleaded 10 - 15 pounds of boost with my current compression ratio.

TTOP350

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Its going to fly.

articwhiteZ

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Well I hope to just get past the old quarter mile times.. 10.54. (383 with a fogger set up). There is just so many parts available for this F body now... Now the car sports every tubular part they make on the front end coilovers at all four corners. Lighter brakes..lighter seats..we will see...this is the last small block for this car...

articwhiteZ

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It's cheaper to get the trans brake right from TCI $445 shipped

IROCZ1989

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Did you already buy the parts? I am waiting on Cahill performance trans to get my done. Seem like the place that actually makes the billet shaft and that special first gear setup is out of new york. CK performace trans. That website patc will advertise those parts but they dont make them. Thay are all made by CK. I got the smart shell drum as well. 650 is about 150 more than what I paid. Call Frank at CPT. He builds the best 700r4/4l60es around. He will tell you if you want to go faster then stay with the 4 pinion planateries. The 5 and 6 are more rotational weight to spin. Plus aftermarket planetaries are hit or miss. Real GM ones are what you want. Some would go 5 pinion and then they would shatter as they were offshore cheap metal.

IROCZ1989

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Good read for the rebuild of these:



http://www.impalassforum.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=269477

articwhiteZ

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yes all paid for..back in Dec.
my input drum was ordered with the billet/hardened shaft and packed set for install.(the face is bolted in..not a snap ring+more steels/fric
all my parts are made by sonnax.
even my 6 pion planet made by sonnax.( the 6 pin planet makes for a close ratio gear set in the trans)
my only parts made by GM are the case and the 5 pinon planet..(the load is spread over the grear better)
even the Valve body /trans Brake is made by TCI.
the best sonnax frictions money can buy today

total hard parts $2745

this is just the newest hard parts available

the converter have 2 of them from B&M. made for me. are not on the list of parts..as I'm sticking with them.
9" none lockup 30 spline input with the old 383 stall speed was 3400rpm foot brake.. flash is 4500prm..

IROCZ1989

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Im about $500 under that with it assembled. But mine is a 421 and nos no boost. Its built to handle north of 800hp. I think that 6 pinion is a waste of money. I would t worry about the 1-2 as much as trying to put the power to the ground. Whole new combo and 2 power adders and your worried about the 1-2?To be honest at that power level (2 power adders) + big cubes,I would have overlooked the 700r4. Your basically turning a 700r4 into a 200r4. And a 200r4 is a better transmission. 15lbs and nos if your looking to see 1000hp that 700r4 wont last very long in a dragstrip application. If you plan on still doing the build id look at a nice convertor like a protorque. I wouldnt even think of putting B&M anything on that kind of build. That convertor ***** the bed it will take out the whole tranny. Not knocking your build but it seems you were confused on what to get and feed back on parts to begin with. Way to much power to put through a 700r4.

articwhiteZ

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have had the car from day one it came home from GM. then Lingenfelter did the car back in 92.
the car has had a few years at the strip.. and have never been Confused about what parts or what the car can do...sorry.
I am 100% sure of what a 700R4 gears feel like when the RPM drops off when shifting from 1st to 2nd.(like missing a shift feel)..and there are better trans out there yes..but you see I want to get the tranny the car came with to work in the car..it;s not a waste of money.. if you have the money to put into it..after all its only money...ya see back in the 90's the car ran 10's and the tranny was fine..
and never a issue.. 28x12.5x15 ET streets 1.53 60 foots and 10.54. not stripped out.. just no AC. the drag strip is what the car was built for.and a sat night drive,
..and the parts that have come out in the last 5 years are to help fix the weak points. and to improve the 700R4. (6 pinon planet $600) that's why you spent less.and you don't have a TCI trans brake in your 700R4 and that's another $445.ya saved..(sonnax 6 Pinon $600. TCI trans brake $445)
I have met with guys who make power and have used this piece. and they have improve times buy 1 to 2 tenths.. thats worth $600..and that's what the 6 pinon planet is for..after all $2000 more I could put a lenco in the car and never looked back..as for B&M they have stood by me in the past. when was the last time any manufacturer replaced a $500 part for free after 4 years..thats why I stick with what works..
update also adding a bump box. $310 and TCI's New Diablo shifter $450
so the mega shifter with the 2 buttons is going by by.
not a Daily driver sense 1992


TCI's new diablo shifter..out in a few weeks..

IROCZ1989

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Maybe you should reread your first post....Sounds like you wanted some imput by that quote. Then you write this:

/I have met with guys who make power and have used this piece. and they have improve times buy 1 to 2 tenths.. thats worth $600..and that's what the 6 pinon planet is for..after all*/

Ok you asked if anyone used these parts when you already talked to guys who did. Sounds confusing to me. Just buy all the newest expensive parts and throw it at it it for sure will live. B&M is junk and thats it. Seen way to many failures to feel otherwise. Theres no way that trans at that hp level will live. There are only a few, very few builders that can make those trans live at high hp levels. Ask Dana he will gladly tell you at your level your throwing money away. 6-800hp fine. Your way over that. That 6 pinion planatery was first made by Chris at CK in New York. He stopped making it . IDK why. If it was such a hot seller he would have kept producing it. I think he sold the rights or patents to Sonnax. He would be the guy to talk to, he designed it. Faster car you want less weight for internals. A 10th faster (what is claimed)from the 1-2 is negated by having to spin heavier internals 6 vs 4 pinion. 4l80 would be a better investment. Ets dont break trannys its car weight and hp/tq

articwhiteZ

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let me Explain it to you this way...IROCZ1989
**Anybody. try any of the 2 hard parts I listed**

well you your self. have not tried all the parts listed..you only gave an Opinion..on how you feel...
I was not asking if I should buy them. i was just asking if anybody had tried them...and no..no body has...

and my post is about more then just 1 part (more then the 6 pinon planet)sonnax makes theirs..and they don't brake like others(pact) have.they still make one and it's cheaper..and looks like it too....sorry you have a dislike for some makes of parts.
don't get all butt hurt.. but saying you don't like a part or feel that it's not something You Like OR posting how you Feel about a part was not asked for.. a simple no have not tried it.. would have been good...lol
buying and installing aftermarket parts is something a lot or guys do on this site.and other sites and asking if anybody has tried them is one thing... and i never posted hey guys should i try them...ya see it's 2 dif things...(HOPE this helps with the confusion)

did not know your car has ran 10's in the Quarter on a reg Bases like mine has done.and the tranny stay together... but that was in the 90's... and in the 90's. none of the above parts could be found...if it comes apart ill be the first to post it. as fact from Experience with said parts.. not from a dislike of/or. a don't feel the need for...kewl?

IROCZ1989

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Ill do you one better. I had a conversation with the guy that actually first made these. What there for and application wise. Your billet shaft is prob made by Chris as well. Mine came from his shop as do most 4l60e and 700r4 billet shafts. You said your getting the newest and best hard parts. That 6 pinion is about 5-6 old maybe older. He designed that long ago. Thats nothing new. It never caught on. I wanted to go with it at one time. Under a different combo and he basically told me it was better to think about using another overdrive trans. Tci sells a quoted 1000hp 700r4. Dana, a knowledgeable builder responded to you here as well. Google CK performance 6 pinion planatery, you will find alot of info that way as well. Just clearing it up that just because Sonnax tells you that its the newest and best is the furthest thing from the truth, esp the newest part. Check out Danas pro street elite 700r4 ,not many trick parts there for 850hp.

https://www.700r4l60e.com/store/product.php?productid=317&cat=3&bestseller=Y

Yellow Bullet

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/showthread.php?t=599944#/forumsite/21026/topics/599944?page=1

articwhiteZ

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Thanks for your imput..
Sonnax. Never told me anything. I picked their 6 pinion planet because it has got the best reviews by guys using the 6 pinion planet... No breakage like others.
Again this post was not asking for advice... But on your advice I did pull the below quote from Google
Below is the post and quote

CK Performance offers a version of the 4L60E transmission with a numerically lower First gear. This is accomplished by utilizing a revised ratio six pinion gearset rather than a four or five pinion gearset from GM. The revised ratio brings First gear down from 3.06:1 to 2.84:1 and Second is reduced from 1.63:1 to 1.56:1. The move away from a steep first gear might sound like the car will run slower, but that is the opposite. Most of the cars that run a 4L60E transmission feature stock suspension and true 10.5-inch slicks or radial tires. The softer First gear calms the launch down and the gear drop off between First and Second allows for better acceleration, which is commonly referred to as shift-recovery as the engine remains in its power band after hitting Second gear. The six pinion unit is also stronger because the work is spread out amongst six pinions rather than four or five. Kokonis says that some of his customers report as much as a three-tenth of a second improvement on the dragstrip because the car is easier to get out of the gate with the numerically lower First gear.....

So with that above I say...
I don't mind my car used to pull the wheels foot and a half on launch.. has it was crushing the stock GM 10 bolt.. that's why we installed ladder bars in a nine inch Ford.. You see we move forward with our improvement of parts... and if some of the parts are 3 years old and some of the parts are two years old .and some of the parts are one year old.. They're considered the newest generation of parts.. See how that works?.. there's a few companies making terrific parts for transmissions. What I have done is collected up what I believe is the newest generation of hard parts made. newest generation of frictions. in steals and billet pistons and hardened parts. and assemble them into a transmission. that I'm going to use with power. And if it holds up for a a season. Then fantastic. But all the parts that are assembled are thought out researched. and looked at beforehand.. and when someone ask a question.." hey you guys ever try this?".. is a lead in to a post hope.. that helps with your confusion.

2 of the parts talked about in this post.
Sonnax 6 pinon planet

Sonnax input drum (bolt together) no snap ring..more steels and clutchs.

89gta383

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I don't know about the new parts, but I have old parts and the tranny works. You have to find a builder that knows what he is doing. The parts are only a 'part' of keeping these trannies together.

articwhiteZ

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The builder is in the bag.. All the parts has a hole are made to fit together..
We are Excited knowing we have one of the first trans brakes for this model of transmission. along with everything.. & I mean everything currently made for this transmission.to make it as strong as we can.....

articwhiteZ

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URL=http://s573.photobucket.com/user/hk21/media/Mobile%20Uploads/20160211_103323_1.jpg.html][/URL]ll the parts are are in the shop now just waiting for the valve body / trans brake
The quality of part is unquestionably better than others on the market
Sonnax100%

IROCZ1989

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Where did you get your billet shaft from?

articwhiteZ

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from sonnax input shaft
http://www.sonnax.com/parts/3475-heavy-duty-input-shaft

got it as a unit. had sonnax put it together set for install
http://www.sonnax.com/landing_pages/...input_housings

picked up every hard part made. as of today. for this overdrive.
this lot is all from Sonnax. with a few GM HD parts. and a TCI Valve Body/trans brake.and a 3rd maker for the bump box.$310

yes this lot of parts was spendy.. almost $3000 Just for the hard parts... but then its a drop in the bucket.with a car. after all iv had the car from the day it left GM & Lingenfelters. when I back half it oneday. it's on to a Lenco 5 speed. and bigblock..
some other parts
http://www.sonnax.com/parts/2454-sma...tion-shell-kit

http://www.sonnax.com/parts/2473-4th...dual-servo-kit

http://www.sonnax.com/parts/2486-2nd...hold-servo-kit

articwhiteZ

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There's more than one maker of parts... I just stick with the company who has the money in the engineering to back what they make..
Yes the parts are sort of spendy.. But how can you not use these parts . And build The transmission as strong as you can.

IROCZ1989

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I just had a conversation today with my builder. We got the billet output shaft. We do have the sonnax drum. But was told the sleeved drum is good but where it breaks is in the shaft area when you lock the convertor under high load. His concern was to use the billet imput shaft only if your locking up the convertor under full throttle. But the drum is still the weak link.Basically more efficent convertors you dont have to. He pointed to small turbo cars (ie turbo buicks)or very high hp power adder cars. Do you have a billet output shaft?

articwhiteZ

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Mine is a non lock up.. and I'm not worried about heat buildup on 30-minute highway jumps.. its complete with its own cooler its own fan and trans temp gauge . I used the Sonnax shaft

IROCZ1989

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Sonnax makes a billet output shaft? Couldn't find it on there site.

articwhiteZ

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the Sonnax shaft has more torsional value. to resist failure. it's link is listed above.
don't think they list it as Billet. when I did the research. found the testing on 2 wheel/4 wheel drive units. the longer unit(2wd)
held up better. with a bit of Torsinal flex.. from guys using them..and testing.. (how hard it takes a hit when shifting).

this set up with the smart drum Surpasses 4L70 trans


ill be posting a beast sunshell for sale (new in box) with patent mark/number on it = not a knock off!
below is the sonnax sun shell

IROCZ1989

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The shaft linked is for a 4l60e input shaft, im askin for the outputshaft. The 700r4 one is different. Has a gear machined into it for a governor. They dont interchange.Unless your building a 4l60e and not a 700r4.

articwhiteZ

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the output shafts have never been a prob that I know of. don't know if anybody makes a aftermarket output shaft.. the input shaft I have listed also fits the 700R4.. (4L60) same thing

below is a pic of 4l60E/4L65/4L70 input & output shafts

below is a pic of a 700R4 input shaft

and below. the 700R4 output shaft.. I don't think anybody makes a aftermarket unit.

IROCZ1989

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Chris at CK was making them for everyone. Seems its not the case as of late. Im hearing the complete opposite in terms of shafts. Output seems to be the norm to replace and the imput is not as important if your not locking it up on the 1/4 mile.

articwhiteZ

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http://www.transmissioncenter.net/highperf700r4.htm

the above link has a upgraded output shaft for the 700R4 its a tad over $500
there stage 5. 700R4 sells for $4400.

with a list of all the same hard parts I listed and I still spent $3000.... but I also got a trans brake and all sonnax parts.
by the time its put together it will be almost $4000

found a better deal on beadlocks to go with the weld aluma star 2.0s
http://www.championbillet.com/polish...thie-beadlock/

IROCZ1989

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That one he offers comes from CK. As do most. Chris hasnt made a batch of them yet. To be honest for 4000 it would be so much better to use a 4l80. Thats way to much for a 700r4. Patc is a scammer. He asked CK to first build prototypes of that 6 pinion. Then never paid him and got it machined elsewhere. Hes a crook.

articwhiteZ

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don't know anything about all that... I make sure all my parts come from reputable company who do/can stand behind what they sell. and a company who has the money to test what they sell. and just not make claims.
There are to many manufacturers out there who don't stand Behind what they sell...and pass off a part that will walk on water..until it brakes or fails then pass it off on a user problem..

if a company makes a part.. and it fails. and the company tells you.. to bad.. and will not stand behind what they sell. then don't use them anymore! this is how they live and die...Feed Back. it works.

I have seen 700R4 4x4 output shafts brake. I have not seen a 2wd output shaft brake.. therefore I have not picked up a output shaft for my application.. If it is stronger.. ill look into it. as it cant hurt...ill check it out.

IROCZ1989

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Do a search on PATC. He for years has touted the 700r4. His build is almost 5000. Back when the 6 pinion came out he was trolling every message board pushing it. Right around 2010. CK was asked to do some preliminary ones. He,CK , from what Ive heard from other well known shops is he was screwed out of any payment from PATC. When then took the units and copied them for himself. Do a search on PATC and 700r4, you will find alot of bad feedback. His website is all hype.

On the shaft. Ask around. They make them for the 4l60e. Seems the tough part to get right on these 700r4 shafts is the gear for the govenor. What does sonnax tell you?

articwhiteZ

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sonnax does not think the rear shaft is a problem with the 2 wheel drives.. but any part can brake.. it takes about $40.000 to set up and test a part for longevity and what effect Treatment has on said part.. without a lot of failures nobody is spending money on the aftermarket output shaft..so looking at one listed to walk on water for $530 I'm skeptical as I don't see many out in use..

I have heard some stories about PACT. and the 6 pinon planet.. I did the sonnax planet. as it was a better looking part and reputation.. I looked into this 4 years ago..price then was $1100. just for this one part..lol.. so in the last 4 years the price is almost Half...I paid $630. I started redoing my car 5 years ago..and have gone on to different parts as others are coming out..
I have enof parts to do 2 cars.. it's crazy. all the fun is shopping.. and dusting off parts I upgrade from. without even using them..
all the time knowing I should have just spent $12.000 on the 640cid BBC rated at 900hp and 850fpt with a single 1050 carb...
and a Lenco 5speed.. DAMN IT!

the wife ask me anytime I open a box.."I thought you got that all ready"...LOL yes I did ..but this is a better part... Not joking!!