primer84z

or to whoever said it wouldnt be streetable. heres a video and i drive it ever day. brakes work just as good as they did before, no ill effects except a cooler sounding exhaust and lots more power. right click and do save as.

http://us.share.geocities.com/chincheck76/exhaust.mpg

F-BIRD'88

A 5 speed manual trans is much more flexible (launch rpm)
then a auto trans with a stock low 1400 stall converter and
2.73 gears.

These cars are real easy to over cam.
In these cars the off idle (1400) to 2500 rpm area is very critical because this is where the motor spends a lot of time.

If you step up to a 3000+ stall and higher 3.73 gearing, its a whole new ball game.

This is why many people warn against such a big cam in a stock
auto trans car.

LarsZ28

I havent heard anyone say a XE262 would be too big for a 305.. only heard that the XE268 would be too big. Anyway, I just bought a XE268 to go into my 305

Btw, That link didnt work for me, (I right clicked and saved as..)

Jester

The XE 262 isn't very big

For the sake of argument, in general they do have a point. It doesn't take much to overcam a 305...especially a tuned port one like alot of people here have. The problem isn't so much that it won't idle or be unlivable..it's that you start to go backwards and will lose performance past a certain point.

ChrisFormula355

The 262 cam is a sweet *** cam for a 305 IF you have carb, gears and good breathing potential. My girlfriends RS ran 98MPH with a 262 cam in the 305 with 3.42 gears and a stock converter. It was only going 14.6's due to MASSIVE wheel spin (2.9 60ft), but thats still impressive in my book. BTW her car is an auto and even with an auto the 262 was like a grandma's daily driver..........well ok I'll admit my idea of a grandma's idle is a little warped since my firebird barely pulls 9inches of vacuum cackling at 1,100 rpms with the 284 cam and good compression I still drive it to work everyday though, but its a stick.

Mark A Shields

yep yep, no one has said the 262 is too big.

bradkeith

A 262 being too big is crazy. I put a 272 in my monte ss 305 and it ws perfect. I also used a higher stall converter.

Sitting Bull

Yup!

A Comp XE 262 is great for a 305 IF ...

-you have better than 2.73 gears

-you have a stick

-or you have a loose torque converter

Take any of those away and you have a border-line lazy engine until you get up around 3500 rpm

And your exhaust doesn't sound much different than my 305 with the Crane PowerMax 260. Go figure.

SSC

Were getting confused here. A 270H is too much cam for a low compression 305, I know. An l69 could probably hang with one just fine as long as other components MATCH the powerband.

A 262 isnt anything more then a glorified RV cam with a tad more rpm potential. LOL I dont think ANY cam can reach its full potentioal with 2.73's and a stock 1200 stall converter.

Mark A Shields

Holy crap, high 13s with a 305 with that setup, man my car is way out of whack.

Momar

What do you run with your new cam anyway mark. Have you at least g-teched it?

Ben

Ed Maher

Whoops, didn't mean to delete the original, just was going to point out that i didn't even need to say anything, there were enough people actually running real cams in this thread anyway...

Bort62

So, My car had

- Comp XE 262 H
- Auto With Stock Converter
- 3.42 Gears
- Stock exhuast Manifolds

Ran 99 Mph in the 1/4, Full weight Car.

Yeah, Its probrably a dog with 2.73 Gears.

Who the Hell in their right mind, who is contemplating a cam swap, is intending on keeping their 2.73's ?

About the stock converter... yeah My car would prolly run a Low 13 With a 3000 Vig. But it Is still stronger than stock on the bottom with this cam, The Fact that it has a stock converter dosent Hamper my Ability to Rip the 275/40R17's Loose with the mash of the throttle.


This IMO is one of the best 305 Cams out there. Those of us who have actually run it, All agree.

Those of YOu who sit around all day and "theorize" about how it would behave, Need to Step back and learn a little.

Bort62

Well I don't know about you, But My car Spends about 1 tenth of a second Below 2500 RPM, and thats In the first 15' of the Strip.

After that is All powerband, And rowdy as hell.

Yeah, a 3k Vig Stall would eliminate that fraction of a second lag off Launch, But With this cam it Still pulls harder through that RPM range than it did stock. Stock Converter and All.

Sitting Bull

Man, I think that is excellent! I wish we all had 305s that run so well. Obviously, most of us don't. There are some FREAKY 305s and apparently you have got yourself ahold of one!

Enjoy it! Most of us are envying you

1991tealRSt-topGuy

what do you folks think my Z28 will run?

stock 305 bottom end
rebuilt heads, slightly ported, 3 angle valve job
edelbrock performer intake
comp XE252 hyd roller cam
long tube headers
true duals with flowmasters
turbo 350 trans
3.23 posi/disc rear end
edelbrock 600CFM carb
complete accel igniton: cap, rotor, module, coil, wires and plugs (still want to get the spark box)
k&n 14x4 filter
no emisssions nor computer controls


i just realized how many mods i have on this car

1991tealRSt-topGuy

oh yeah, i have a stock converter

what would be a good one for this setup?

primer84z

why did you go for that small of a cam? are trying to be emissions legal or computer compatible or something?

1991tealRSt-topGuy

previous owner

primer84z

i hate to say it, but why would you get a 335 stroker kit? its just pissing money away. if you were just gonna rebuild the 305, then it would be sensible to use the block you already have and go from there, but if your gonna spend all that money to get a stroker, why not just get a 350 or a 383. 350's are cheap and theres lots of them. a 335 will cost more than getting a 350 and modding it. just my opinion, but do what you have to.

Bort62

I appriciate the compliments, But they are mis-aimed.

There is nothing Freaky About my 305. Its a regular old LG4. Even has 200,000 + Miles on it.

The only "freaky" thing about The situation, Is that Unlike 95% of the people on this board, I thought ahead, Did research, And Observed others results when and before Modding My car.

Im no genius In Cam selection. I picked this cam Because One of the Rags Did.

They Took A Lg4, And Stabbed this Cam in it, Coupled with a Set of Milled down L31(L30?) Vortec Heads, and A Eldebrokc Victor Jr Manifold, Put down 325 HP at the crank.

Upon reading this article, I said " Gee, Thats the Same exact Engine I have, And those are some Fairly astounding power Numbers for a 305" It seemed to me that, In addition to some Further research, perhaps I should try to Follow Their Lead.

But, Down off the Soap box. Point is there is no freakyness or magic or anything else involved. Any one of you could take your Lg4, and, Providing good mechanical Condition, Get it to perform Just as well as Mine ( And even Better, Assuming you Have the $$).

And a Comp XE262HR Would be a Good Start. I firmly Belive that a Lg4 W/ Ported Stock heads, This or even a slightly larger Cam, Proper Gearing and a High Quality Stall, will Do Bottom 13's to High 12's.

Buuuuut all that same effort in a L98, and your a Second faster, So unless youve got something to prove, Don't waste your time

Sitting Bull

Soooo, you have done head work, as well, eh?

Do you also have a set of headers or have you decided to stick with the manifolds? Tell us EVERYTHING you have actually done to hit the 13s with that 305.

Believe it or not, most LG4s don't run like your's, whether you believe that or not. Just ask around. If they did, everyone would be running 13s with a few simple mods--but they aren't.

Maybe you actually have a 350?

Bort62

Ill hazard a Guess, and Offer some constructive criticism.

Assuming The Engine is in Good working order, I would Not expect Much more than a Bottom to Mid 14 out of it.

Things that are hurting you :

Gears. 3.23 Is a great all around ratio, but If your only Goal is speed in the 1/4, Hard to beat a 3.73 in this Situation.

Torque Converter : Its a fairly Small cam on a Fairly Mild Motor, But A Good quality converter will always help your 60' and Your resulting ET. Look at ed Maher, Smaller cam than you ( stock L98) and Same Gear... Running 14 flats. Impressive...

"true Duals" : "True Added weight" Scrap it, this isnt the 60's. A single 3" Pipe will Flow more than your 305 will ever produce.

The edlebrock Carb : Junk. If this is a weekend/track car, Find yourself a Holley. If you Plan to Drive it Where MPG may be a concern, Im a BIG Quadrajet Fan. ( recorded 23 mpg Highway In My car, Same Motor Setup Wich Ran the 99 mph)

Bort62

No the heads have not Been Touched.

And no, I don't actually have a 350.

That mph was recorded with Manifolds. I have since added headers, and feel like it is a differnt car. I expect a 102-103 w/ a 13.7ish ET.

Of course, untill I have that on Paper, Its all speculation.

And Yes, all LG4's with the Same mods and the Same level of Tuning, Will Run that Way. Your right Most Lg4's Don't Run like mine, But that Has nothing to Do with the Mechanic's of the Engine itself.

the Old saying "The Computer is only as smart as the person using it" Has some applicability here.

Oh I should say, the first Time I ever ran w/ this combo Was a 15.2 @ 87 mph. Also my First time at the track, ever.

A little Tuning and Learning what your doing goes a long Way.

F-BIRD'88

For some strange reason a lot of "fast" street cars
tend to loose around 150/200 hp on their way to the track.

Jstcrzyengh

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Ok, I know I am going to get flamed here lol

Primer84Z
The are quite a few reasons to go with a 334, over a 383.

1) Gas mileage - If it's something you care about, the 335 will beat the 383 hands down. In fact a wild 335 will most likely get much better mileage than a very mild 383.

2) Awesome power curve. HIGH torque down low and high HP up high. If you have DD2000 look at the difference between the 305 and the 334 as far as the curve goes (don't pay attention to the actual HP, because TRUST me that's not what DD2000 is all about ) The 334 makes great off the line performance mixed with top end speed.

3) You keep the numbers matching engine. Not that that matters to a lot of people, but to a convertible owner where only 1859 were made, you bet it does

Now, will a 383 make more power, definetely! If you are looking for track only performance a 383 will do better, but if you are looking for daily driver/undercover cobra killer, well than the 335 is my choice.

Im working on the ultimate 335 right now and am taking a LOT of pictures and writing a lot of steps down, because there seems to be a big consenses of people who want information on them.

Primer84Z Your exhaust is sweet. You got to love being able to set off car alarms a mile away

James

Sitting Bull

But we are still not being told what you have done to your engine and drivetrain. Please, fill us in. What have you got?

Sitting Bull

I've noticed that too

SSC

Been there done that 2, 2.5's outflow a single 3, I had dyno proof also a good 15fpt and 25hp worth.
I'll agree with the statement about Holley but thats its.

Bort62

umm, Comp Xe262HR

Edlebrock performer RPM intake, Rochester Mech Quadrajet w/ DR Secondary Rods

Crane Adjustable Advance kit In a gm Vac Advance HEI dist.

At the Time Of those track results, Stock Lg4 Manifolds & Y pipe, with 3" Hi-flow Cat and I pipe Back to Single in Dual Out Flowmaster ( Heavy! )

No Emissions equipment, No AC

14x3 Drop Base Aircleaner

3.42 Ring & Pinion With Stock 95 Z28 Auburn LSD

Some ****ty Dunlop Tires wich Spun like a bitch and Gave me a 2.3 60'

Stock Transmission, Stock Converter

89 Octane Cali Gas.

No weight reduction, Other than Spare Tire & Jack.

Since Then, Ive Added Edlebrock 1 5/8 Headers With Dual Cat Ypipe ! Cats, And Single 3" Flowmaster Exhaust with Single 3" Exit.

Comp Roller Tip 1.5 Rocker Arms

Those alone should be good for some Real 13's and a Buck plus MPH, but Can't say for Sure without Hitting the track.

All the Mods it took me to run that MPH Cost me Under 1 grand.

Any More Questions ?

And F-head88, My Car is track Verified, So Eat it.



yeah, It may outflow a Single 3", But There are 11 Second cars Running Single 3" exhuast.

The extra weight of the Dual exhuast is Not going to be compensated for By and extra power you May Make.

Not to mention, How inconveinent it is to run any sort of true dual exhuast on our cars.


Your 305 needs a Dual exhuast about as Much as it needs a 58mm Throttle Body.

Bort62

Okay Genius... let me show you why your Off_base.

1.) Gas milage. Displacement has very little to Do with Gas Milage. People who argue that a 305 will get better milage than a 350 or a 335 than a 383 ect are retarded. I garuntee you I could build a 400 To get better milage than most of the 305's on this board, And I could aslo build a 305 to get worse milage ( and still be running stoich ) than a mildly built 400. So Don't bring that up Becuse it don't make a **** o Differance.

2.) Awesome power Curve ? I think you need to pull your head out of DD2000 and put it Into the real world. Yeah, the 334 Will Make more power than a Similarly Built 305. What you Fail to recognize is that a 350 with All the Same Parts, Will Make even more. Not to mention it won't have the problems inherant in the 305's small bore with Valve shrouding Wich will let you Run Even larger valves and Better heads, giving the potential For even More power. Even apart from All this, The Longer stroke of the 334 & 383 Increases Piston Speeds Acrost the RPM range, What this means is accelerated wear, And Makes the rotating assembly more prone to Failure. Especially at High RPM where piston speeds approach a critical point.

Both the 383 and 334 are Long stroke / small bore engines. The Long stroke Aids in Torque production, And the Small Bore In relation to the long stroke Kills its higher RPM Potential For the Piston speed reasons ( among others ) I list above. Comparing similarly built 350 and 335, with Simliar quality Internals, The 350 Will Always Make More power, And High RPm Longevity will Be Much increased over the 334. ( or 383 or 400 for that matter )

The Benifit of the 383 over the 350 is the increased displacement and the increased stroke for More torque.

Compared to the 400, the 383 is the Worst of both worlds. It takes On all the long stroke piston speed problems of the 400 and couples that with a reduced displacement.

The Same follows for the 334 Compared to the 350. But even More so! Now you Have all the Same piston speed and rotating assembly wear Problems of the 400, And even LESS displacement. Even less Displacement thant he 350, Wich has a Shorter Stroke and Lower piston Speeds! this is really the worst Of Both worlds. The only reason a 383 is worth anything is Because of its Increased dispalcement, and the Unavaliablility of 400 Blocks. The 350 Block is Widly avaliable.

There is no Reason not to use a 350 Wich has a Shorter stroke, wich reduces piston speeds and Other elements of rotating assembly wear, Yet it has a Larger Bore ( thant he 305/334 ) and Larger Displacement, Therefore yeilding more power Acrost the RPM Band, Not only in those higher RPM's where the 350 can reliabley spin and a 400/383/334 Could Not.


In short, the 350 is a Better Design in EVERY WAY than the 305/334. It Encompasses The best of Both worlds in relation To this Mismatched, Horrible combination of a 334.

Is that Clear ? probrably Not. but jesus people WHY DO YOU INSISTN ON BUILDING AN INFERIOR ENGINE????


Does Everything The people who Run and Support this site Say, Fall on Deaf Ears ?

I think Im going to start a Sticky called " Why the 334 stroker is a HORRIBLE idea "

As for the Numbers matching Part, If you want a Numbers Matching car, Then Leave it a 305. If you Bought a Supposedly Numbers matching LS-6 Chevelle, and it turns out some Nimrod Had stroked it to 496, Wouldnt you Be a little Upset ?

Bort62

Start to Go backwards... thats an interesting Concept )

RB83L69

If you want numbers matching and a fast car, just stick the OE motor in a back corner of your garage.

You'll spend less money and go faster doing it the right way. Why use your own money as the weapon to shoot yourself with? If you can buy a 350 core for $250, and a set of pistons for about $120; compare that to the "economical" 334 kit at $600. You have to get the block bored either way, same cost; you have to buy a cam; you need new heads to take advantage of the cubes (after all, it doesn't matter how big the jugs are if you can't fill them and empty them); etc. etc. Looks to me like the 350 is cheaper and better every way there is to measure it.

Don't spend extra money to buy an inferior product when the superior one is cheaper. That might be lesson #1 in "Life Skills" class in junior high school; most of it learned it even before that.

JC93Z

<----- Agrees with Bort.



Hey are we going to line up (at the track) my V6 verses your 305 when I get it done Ian? LOL

*I had to through in some humor*

Jstcrzyengh

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Wow, without responding in really negative way. Oh and by the way my IQ is a 149, if you know anything you will know that yes indeed sir I am a genius, besides the point, but I found it interesting that your attempt to slander me, fails miserably

I will just say that you have no idea what your talking about if you think a 400 will EVER get better gas mileage than a 305. That's insane. If displacement has nothing to do with it as you say, someone needs to tell the 3cyl geo metro to stop getting 55mpg or every freaking honda 4cyl to stop getting 35mpg

Notice how you go up in displacement you start losing mileage?

I really like the 350 guys who just push the 350, because it is what they have. It's funny. I am building a 334, don't care whether you like it or think it's economical for you or not lol
I could totally care less. However, to put someone down for it is not right. Offer advice something like "Have you possibly thought about a 383? Sure you'll get less mileage and your car won't be numbers matching, but you can get more horsepower and really drop your ET over a stock 305"

While your at why don't you push a 502 swap? A Ram Jet 502 will eat most 350's for breakfast any day of the week. Sure it's a little more modification, but so is an LT1 and a lot of people are doing that swap and for good reason.

I have no problem with anyone that wants to trade their 305 in for a 350 or vice versa for that matter. It's your car, do with it as you will, but don't knock me because I want to build my car the way I want to build it. I think that is just common courtesy, don't you? If you want to offer advice, than do so, but dont just knock people, because you feel you can. That really irks me to no end. I am also not building my car for track performance, so a 383 is not what I want. If you also read everything I wrote, I said a 383 will be more power, I am so not doubting that, but on the other hand it will not get the mileage a 334 will and everybody in their mother has a 350/383.

I don't hear anyone knocking willie for building his NA 14.23 305, it runs 12.04 with a little nitrous (50shot) and some boost. IE still gets gas mileage. What 350/383 runs 12.04 and gets any kind of mileage?

To those that say sit your engine in the corner what would EVER be the point in that? The point of having a numbers matching car is at any time you lift that hood there sits your #'s matching engine. I think I need to also mention that everything I am buying will switch over to the 350 except for heads and the stroker kit. So if I decide to join the dark side J/k I can and do it REAL cheap.

Also if you have DD2000 download my 334 build (right click "save as"), if you do not have DD2000 just go to the link and it will give you some basic info. Don't look at the HP, but the actual curve. The whole engine will pull hard to 5500RPM, why would you want to push a V8 much past that? Not going to happen on the highway anyway. 334

Bort, no offense, but take it easy. You are trying to blast people here and that's just not cool. If you want offer your opinion, but don't tell people their stupid because they don't agree with the way you want them to do things.

By the way look at the cam I put in there

James

Bort62

How about we Line up Your V6 to my Strait 6 ?

Little Ford Vrs Buick 6 cyl Hairdryer Shootout, hahaha.

Bort62

Just the fact that you feel the need to state your supposed "genius" status Shows alot about you, smart guy.

But back to the Car's.

Im Sure i have no idea what Im talking about. None at all.

Your average honda is 1.6 Liters. You claim 35 mpg.

Your 350 is 5.7 Liters, I claim you can easily pull 25 mpg out of a 12 second 350. Thats Not even one wich is built for gas Milage like your 1.6 Liter Honda is.

so, 5.7 - 1.6 Is... well your the genius... 4.1 Liters

So You increase 4.1 Liters in displacement, You looose.... 10 mpg.

Now, lets take a 5.7 liter 350... and Subtract your 5.3 Liter 334.

.4 Liters, Sooo doing a little math That gives us an approximate Loss of....

10 mpg / 4.1 liters = 2.4 mpg/liter

2.4 mpg/liter * .4 Liters = .96 mpg


SO

By your logic of "Notice how you go up in displacement you start losing mileage?"

You lost .96 MPG going from 5.3 to 5.7 Liters.

OUCH thats really Breaking the Bank.

Of course, All that Math has absolutely No bearing on Reality, Just as your Claim that Displacement has a huge effect On MPG is completely out of touch. But the math follows the same Supposed Logic of your Arguement, So I even beat you In your own distorted Game.

I guess I just don't understand how it all works, Not being a GENIUS and all.


WOW desktop Dyno Says So, So it MUST be true!

let me ask you something, GENIUS>

Do you know the definition of Valve shrouding ?

That is when the area around the valve, in the combustion Chamber, is close engouh to the valve that when the valve is open it Impedes Flow.

The 305 has a special quality, That The bore is soooo Small, that Shrouding actually occurs Due to the cylinder wall's proximity to the valve, as the valve extends down out of the combustion chamber at its apex of lift.

but as a Genius, you already knew that.

In addition to that, The Valve size is limited by this same special ability of the 305. If you use too large of a Valve, the Valve itself Contats the top of the Block.

This obviously prevents you from using said valves, at limits Drastically Your Head Choices. and head Flow potential.

But again, To a Genius this should all be Old news.

This is the reason the 305 is LImited, Not its displacement.

The Ford 302 is a motor with much more power potential than a 305 will ever have. Similar displacement, Differnt designs.

The 302 dosent have the Valve size limitations the 305 has.

Hell, The chevy 302 is another example. Same displacement, Much more power potential.

Why ? No Valve size limitations.



I don't take offense To things said on here. Its just a Message board.

And I will excersize my right To tell people they are stupid, For doing STUPID things... like building a 334 And bringing up arguements for how great it is... Arguements wich are obviously flawed.

In Fact, it is my DUTY to point out these flaws So that others who read this thread Will not be mislead By your Misinformation.


Anything Else

Jstcrzyengh

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First thing you started the genius thing. lol

(Edited to not come down to that level)

Also going back to the cars if you think you will only lose a minor little bit of mileage from a 1.6liter to a 5.7 liter all I can do is lmao at you.

here you go wise guy:

Honda Insight
3 cyl, 1 L, - 68mpg

Honda Accord
6 cyl, 3 L, - 28mpg

Hmmm... I'm starting to see a pattern.

1988 Chevy Camaro - runs regular gas
8 cyl, 5.0 L, TPI - 26mpg

2002 Chevy Camaro
6 cyl, 3.8 L, Manual - 31mpg

2002 Chevy Camaro Z28
8 cyl, 5.7 L, - 25mpg

Now the LS1 isn't too shabby there, FAR cry from a L98, But still not running 12.04 stock. As you can see technology helps to make up for a lot of the old ways. Also on the LS1 you MUST run premium, on the Honda's and chevy's V6, and the later TPI you can run normal. Buying 87 at 1.50 a gallon is WAY different than buying premium at 2.10 a gallon.

If you can give me an exact combo that will make 12.04 seconds and 25mpg, and be under the cost of the 334, still pass the sniffer and visual, AND I get to keep my ac, than I will go as far as to scrap my 334, and resend all of my previous posts, call you the man, but since that combination doesn't exist... I don't see it happening.

Oh also with my 334 I pass the visual AND the sniffer test, as well I get to keep AC. See if you THINK everything completely through and research every aspect down to the last thought and cost, you will find it way more economical to go 334 anyday of the week.

James

Mark A Shields

So true, it was all too much to quote though.
A 334 is very costly too.

F-BIRD'88

If your car is "track verified" then tell us what it run
At the track.
Not what is coulda shoulda woulda..

Not what it feels like either. The butt dyno lies.
And not I ran against a 13 sec car and only lost by a lenght...
Don't want to hear it.

If you're spinning the tires so bad as you say, you will not et well.

I'll bet money your same car with short slicks
and about 10 minutes of real tuning and a milder cam
than the 262 whould really open your eyes.

From what you said and the way you stated it would lead one to believe you didn't actually run at the track.

Did you ever notice that the Monte Carlo SS with the 305 HO
cam with a high rear gear and a special 3000 stall converter?

Why,,, cause the HO cam killed all the low end torque.

The xe262 is even bigger.

In a Camaro with junk tires you may be able to spin the S***
out of the tires and bypass the low rpm range but you aren't accelerating.

Mark A Shields

I thought 160 was considered genius.

And i forget the exact quote and who said it,

but something like "knowing all, means knowing you know nothing" again I prolly butchered it but you get the idea.

Jstcrzyengh

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But mark, both are going to need machining. Same pricing. Here's the difference, all throughout "carb" history you had to trade power for mileage or vice versa, with todays technologies you can reasonably have both to some degree. That is the point, Bort doesn't seem to get that. Must be too difficult of a concept j/k bort.

You have your opinion bro and I have mine. Really what it comes down to. Still going to wait for your 25mpg 12 second 383...

Mark A Shields

I highly doubt that, if you do a search on a 334 on this board, look for Vader's and RB83L69s replies, these are 2 of the smartest guys on the board, though I have to give Vader #1, they both know their chit. And you'll find it costs much more for a 334 that won't result in the same performance as a 383 or even just a 350.

Mark A Shields

How about a 427 is it? forget the motor used, TT Vette running 9.90s and 16mpg or so, i'll trade you the 6mpg for 3 secs, .

Still though, an LS1 with minimal mods can go low 12s and get 25mpg.

Jstcrzyengh

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Mark,

100 is the average persons IQ. Genius is anything 132 and above. These are Mensa standards. Never claimed to know everything, he used the term "Genius" so you know I am going to back myself up. I don't back down from these guys with big mouths on message boards that want to try to intimidate others. Isn't going to happen with me

I have the stats, research, etc... on my side when it comes to mileage. He just spouting off "ideas". once again Im not claiming that the 305 is producing more power than the 350, I know how that statement irks the 350 guys, but I am claiming that a 305 can make power. SBC is SBC. Plus look at the file I placed I am putting in new heads, forged pistons, the works, so I am not too worried about the things that bort was bringing up.

This will be no stock 305 stroker.

Jstcrzyengh

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Mark,

your right about the LS1 however, it will be cheaper to build the 334 than dropping in a LS1, trust me I REALLY looked into the comparison. Plus the LS1 was not a stock engine for visual for california smog, as well, no AC unless I want some MAJOR modifications.

I would take the 427TT but that swap would cost a lot more than a 334 or 383, or hell even a 502 But oh man it would be sweeeeeet

Mark A Shields

yeah, it is a bit costly, but it's only $ right, sell a kidney or something on ebay.

Jstcrzyengh

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Hehe :sillylol:

Biochem

Not that anyone is going to read this far down the post... But my 357 got 26.2mph with the Q-jet and was fairly stout as far as engines go... and for what it's worth, I too was running a CC262 cam in that engine


And to end with, I get 28.1 mpg with my LS1 on the highway

Snowdog 91 Formula

Why even bother with 334? Why not keep it at 305? I mean, if you are going to have the engine run optimally without going to the expense?
Yes you can bore out the 305 and make a 334 stroker, but why do that when you can get a 350 long block and build it up better than the 334 and produce more power with less money?
When my LO3 died, I had no intention of going with another LO3 or even a 305 displacement motor.
You can look around and find 350 crate engines with 3 year warranties and have them built to your spec.
Just have to know where to look.
My engine in my car is no secret. I've talked to a lot of people who told me I was nuts to even try it. I went through with it anyway.
I'm very happy with what I have now. I'm sure you will find your engine to be made to your spec, but going the route of 305-334 when you can sell the 305 to someone and use that money towards a 350 long block would be a better choice in my opinion.
Please look into it before you go the 305-334 route. You will be much happier with the 350 in the long run.