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Old 10-05-2007, 06:58 PM   #1
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Has anyone tried the Squires Turbo System on their car?
If so how well does it boost power?
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Back to the top...would love to hear something on their set-up.
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sts makes the "remote mount" set-ups that mount out back right? I've heard some great things from 4th gen guys, but our cars would be more limited, as far as stock configuration is concerned. Lower rpm engine, thus less exhaust cfm to spool the turbo(negated depending on turbo sizing), plus craptastic cast pistons and low grade con rods and cranks won't take much boost before going BOOM.

Just like any other mod, you get out of it what you put into it. If you build the engine for boost, you could get quiet a bit out of their set-up. If you leave it stock, I don't think you would want much over 6-8 psi. Don't get me wrong, 6-8 psi would make a world of difference in performance, but NO2 would probably be a better bang for-your-buck unless you're gonna properly build the engine.
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sts makes the "remote mount" set-ups that mount out back right? I've heard some great things from 4th gen guys, but our cars would be more limited, as far as stock configuration is concerned. Lower rpm engine, thus less exhaust cfm to spool the turbo(negated depending on turbo sizing), plus craptastic cast pistons and low grade con rods and cranks won't take much boost before going BOOM.

Just like any other mod, you get out of it what you put into it. If you build the engine for boost, you could get quiet a bit out of their set-up. If you leave it stock, I don't think you would want much over 6-8 psi. Don't get me wrong, 6-8 psi would make a world of difference in performance, but NO2 would probably be a better bang for-your-buck unless you're gonna properly build the engine.
Yes, they do the remote mounted turbo. As for the third gen being a lower rpm, I doubt there is a noticeable difference. True volume does play a roll in spool up, but like you mention, turbo selection plays into that. The bottom ends on 3rd gens are not all that bad. Sure the are cast pistons, but if you can keep air temp down and fuel level up, you can still make enough power to make a car move well. I would also like to think that most people looking into something like this would have already done some internal engine work. But that may be wrong. Hell, I did brakes and suspension before I went for more power. The last comment about being more cost effective sort of bugs me. Initial bang for the buck maybe. But the chance of doing serious damage is just as high, and you have to fill a bottle.
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Yes, they do the remote mounted turbo. As for the third gen being a lower rpm, I doubt there is a noticeable difference. True volume does play a roll in spool up, but like you mention, turbo selection plays into that. The bottom ends on 3rd gens are not all that bad. Sure the are cast pistons, but if you can keep air temp down and fuel level up, you can still make enough power to make a car move well. I would also like to think that most people looking into something like this would have already done some internal engine work. But that may be wrong. Hell, I did brakes and suspension before I went for more power. The last comment about being more cost effective sort of bugs me. Initial bang for the buck maybe. But the chance of doing serious damage is just as high, and you have to fill a bottle.
The only way you do damage with up to about a 175 shot wet-kit on a typical performance oriented V8 is of your own error. Not pulling the reccomended timing, different combination of jets than is reccomended, inadequate fuel system, inadequate spark system, hitting it at too low of rpm(typical stock gearing worsens this situation) etc, etc. There are way too many people spraying plate kits like they're going out of style w/o any problems. Now, when you get in to the high-end fogger and multi fogger systems, now you're talking, but that's a whole different level.
Years ago, NOS was less than reliable. There were so many variables that no one understood. Today, a properly set up plate system is as reliable as adding headers. - All that said, I'm not a nitrous person. Nothing wrong with it, but boost is more fun. Yes, there are way too many people looking for a quick "bang-for-their-buck" bolt-on performance that would drop a turbo kit on a stock motor and start adding boost. Then when it comes apart, they piss and moan about breaking it.

Bottom line - Perfomance costs, how fast can you afford to go? For every hp you gain out of an engine there is a cost, be it reliability or driveability. The more power you ask for out of an engine, the more stress you put on it's components.
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the more stress you put on it's components.
I wanted to revive this thread because from what I have seen there are not any places to put unbiased reviews on the net for this system.

I just killed a 2006 Toyata Tacoma using everything Squires had to sell. $7,000 worth of Turbo and upgrades and the engine lasted less than a year (2400 miles for me). They have sufficient sales guys but once your crap breaks you will be lucky to here from the one customer service rep within 2 weeks. They charged my credit card an initial $5,000 then did not ship for 5 months, when I dismantled my vehice to install the kit there were plenty of missing and wrong parts. Do not do this to your primary vehicle!!

I monitered EGT's, wideband AFR, Digital boost gauge w/ max recall, and even kept an obd II code reader under the seat.

Seriously the biggest mistake I have made in quite some time.
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Yikes. What gave out? How much boost?

There's been a lot of hype lately about boosting stock engines and surviving, its not as simple as people make it out to be. All it takes is one off cylinder and your done. Most intake manifolds don't perform well with forced induction. Wideband won't help there. Plug reading is essential.
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Yikes. What gave out? How much boost?

There's been a lot of hype lately about boosting stock engines and surviving, its not as simple as people make it out to be. All it takes is one off cylinder and your done. Most intake manifolds don't perform well with forced induction. Wideband won't help there. Plug reading is essential.
This is exactly the same kind of thing that gave Nitrous a bad name, the one massive variable is the person doing the installation, but another key variable is the condition of the 'stock" engine when bolting all this stuff on. I have had both good and bad luck bolting nitrous, blowers and turbos onto stock engines, and it was often due to the engine's condition before increasing power by 50% or more. Ironically, people often choose to bolt large power adders onto their cars because they are slow, and often times they are slow because there is something wrong with the engine internally. The results are often a great deal of money wasted. I have seen STS systems at the drag strip on "stock-ish" 4th gens pull down some excellent times, but the owner has also put a lot of time and tuning into the combo.

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Re: sts turbo

ive installed a few systems at a shp i worked at up here in the northwest. great system little spendy, but i do recomend having an engine capable of forced induction before doing any s/c or t/c. we also had an inground dyno and the owner is a genious wen it comes to gm cars, so we always had the knowledge and resources, but its not a bad idea for some one who has time and money and wants a little different setup.

i would say if you have a fairly fresh engine or a built one and want a system like this its a great idea, we never had any probs with parts or service, and i hate hearin about some one gettin bad service and such, ive been there and it sucks. good luck to those who get this set up and have fun guys. i would love to hear more about others experience with sts. i just think its a neat system...
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