1985WS6transam

anyone see this one yet?? it should attract quite a few hippies to lose some money in my opinon. sounds like a scam to me.

http://www.shoponlinefind.com/savefuel/

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total bs

5678TA

water doesnt burn.. it steams.. you'd be better off running on propane..

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Rayzor32

I converted my cousins diesel jetta to run on grease

1985WS6transam

for somereason the ad hooked me to read about the b.s and they are claiming it to basically run on hydrogen. a liter or water will create thousands of gallons of fuel to burn...

I just think its funny, GM has been spending millions of dollars on r&d hydrogen cars and this guy created something and can sell it for $200 bucks... stupid engineers at GM they should just look at the internet more often i guess haha.

Rayzor32

i really dont think this kit is gonna work as well as advertised.. its more like a toy kit.. scam

titan

As for that site, it's close to a scam... not exactly, but close... Quote below:
As for the technology, it's real. Google for "orthohydrogen engine".
I have a 2.8 V6 sitting out back doing nothing, and have considered building what that site wants $200 to teach you how to do. It's not that hard actually, but I lack an oscilloscope for getting the frequency right, in the electrical pulses. I'm waiting till I can find one for a deal, or find someone who has one, and is willing to either lend it to me, or collaborate on the project.

I know what everyone is thinking... If you can build it, you would be the next Bill Gates... Wrong. An oil company already holds the patent on this, and will keep it buried in the back of their closet until they can no longer milk us for every penny we can spare. As for the automobile producers... Until the kickbacks (and I mean BIG kickbacks) from the oil companies can't compete with the potential profits from mass producing it. We won't see it. Even then, they still have issues with royalties, because "you-know-who" owns the patent. Sucks for us huh... It's completely legal to build and use your own, but to market it, would be copyright infringement. Thats how companies like that site get around it. They're not selling the technology, they're selling information.

Save $200, see attachments.

Lastly, some food for thought...
In 2007, the 5 largest oil companies (combined for easy math) reported profits totaling 123 BILLION. Thats $123,000,000,000. No, not gross earnings, PURE PROFIT. All operating, expansion, R&D, and all other costs already paid out. And still continued to argue with congress about "needing" their $18,000,000,000 tax break. We're told "it's the war" or "the hurricanes in the gulf drove prices up". Bullshit. Bush's answer was to propose a bill to make the auto manufacturers raise the standard on MPG consumption.

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malcom2073

Sure it would work, if you could get more energy out of a system than you put in, it's like driving an electric generator with an electric motor. Eventually you're going to run out of energy (in this case, your cars battery).

I love all those free energy things. Everyone knows someone who knows someone who did it, but nobody has actually done it and gotten it to work. At least nobody I've seen first hand.

dirtywhiteZ28

Well I listened to some of that court stuff on TV the other day and from what I understood, it seemed as though the oil companys were trying to retain tax breaks on the premise that dispite what they made in profit, the bean counters break down of yearly expenditures revealled they actually paid more dollars in taxes TO the government last year than they made in profits. Exxon profited (ei. 18 billion and paid 27 billion in taxes) and the commitee persons didn't even bat an eye, whose really getting the money here, I see a pretty hefty tax rate sticker on evey pump I've used and if the companies pay that much then why am I paying an additional 57 cents per gallon when I buy this pretaxed fuel.

Bad5OGT

Chrysler had a hydrogen engine ready to go back in the late 90s. They had plans to install it on city buses in NYC and L.A. until the U.S. government stepped in and stopped them.

Funny, mechanical transportation started in the 1800s with hydrogen/steam power and now we are trying desperately to get back to it.

rangerlaxdude

just to let you know they spent the 27 bilion on taxes and then after that they still had 18 billion left over thats how profit works

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IF YOUR TALKING ABOUT BROWN'S GAS CONVERSIONS. IT DOES WORK IT TAKE ABOUT 5 HRS TO BUILD AND INSTALL. BUT WHEN YOUR DONE IT WILL INCREASE FUEL ECONOMY BY ABOUT 25%

madmax

Sure, increase economy by 25%

Work there, dont ya?

These sucker schemes come up every time prices take a jump.

dirtywhiteZ28

Thats exactly what I am getting at.The government profited a full third MORE of the money than what the business did. If you think that the oil company was raping us then why not get mad at the gov. too. They made $27 billion from the manufacturer, then doubled the sales tax earned by unit and took that directly from every customer in the country. I wish the gov. was required to publicize how much taxes they collected in total from the public pump tax. I bet it would put even that $27 billion to shame. Yea thats a lot of incentive to turn their cheek on the american people and blame the market demand for $4 a gallon gasoline. Even the gov. own fully subsidized AMTRACK is required by US FEDERAL LAW to charge every single passenger the "Maximum Fair the market can BARE!!!".

madmax

Wow with an attitude like that, no wonder your sales are skyrocketing.

Dont knock what I dont know. Hey, I know enough to know water doesnt burn and isnt compressible. Maybe you'd like to explain how a non-combustible source increases fuel mileage? And by 25% no less. How about I disconnect 2 cylinders instead? Thats 25% less on my V8 and is free.

1985WS6transam

I see where you are coming from, but they are selling it to run on hydrogen and advertising it to run on water so it would target more people i assume. I just dont see it working as it should, i see the concept that they have, but there has to "be more to it"

ryan91rs

well i hate the scams and stuff. and check some of my posts. cars are not killing the environment India and China is. anyway with that said I do know this system to work. How do i know? Well a mechanic on my football team has built a small engine to run in the same way from water to hydrogen conversion. He explained the whole thing to me and it's not really that complicated. And yes the engine was small and no i was not there and i do not have pictures. I'll try to get them. With all that said it really is not the best way. So far the best way is to convert a diesel to veggie or natural gas (which if you have wells like most do in ohio) then with the electricity to compress it (pump) it's about 15 bucks and you go over 300 miles in a 3/4 ton truck. The conversion. over a grand! but I know for a fact a guy rins it and just torn his engine down at OVER 300,00 miles and it was super clean, like new clean. So water....nah, veggie, natural gas.... heck ya!

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BTW YOUR NOT RUNNING THE CAR ON WATER YOUR CONVERTING THE WATER TO BROWNS GAS AND MIXING IT WITH GAS. SO TAKE IT EASY BUD. IM NOT DOGGIN YOU. I UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR COMMING FROM. THE FIRST GUY THAT WANTED US TO INSTALL IT JUST CAME IN WITH A COUPLE OF BOOKS AND A SACK FROM THE HARDWARE STORE AND SAID CAN YOU DO THIS. IT TOOK LONGER TO FIGURE OUT HOW TO SET EVERYTHING UP IN THE CAR THAN TO DO ANYTHING ELSE. BUT IT DOES HELP WITH GAS MILEAGE. AT LEAST ON HONDAS WE HAVENT TRIED IT IN ENYTHING ELSE. EXCEPT A GENERATOR

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madmax

Try using the advanced edit and it might work then.

So... Browns gas. lol.

ryan91rs

methane? you mean hydrogen which happens when you put a n electrical charge to H2O..... right? anyone else do this in physical science?

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mustangslayer86

Reminds me of a weight loss pill.

Probably a scam, but seems relatively cheap. I'm sure some people will try it.

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NOT SURE IF I REMEMBER THAT FAR BACK. WHAT WAS THAT LIKE LAST WEEK FOR YOU.
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BOTTOM LINE THE ORIGNAL POST ON RUN YOUR CAR ON WATER LOOKS LIKE A CHEEP RIPOFF SCAM.

Toehead

Defies the laws of thermodynamics.

Namely the clausius and kelvin plank statements of the second law. Enough said.

madmax

Dont speak thermodynamics around here, people might get confused.

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http://www.instructables.com/id/Sepa...er-Through-El/

run a system similar to that off an engines alternator

OH SNAP THEN YOU HAVE HIGHLY FLAMMABLE HYDROGEN AND HIGHLY REACTIVE OXYGEN!