Chris Eckard (TPI383) is the owner and operator of CE Coatings. He sells Hubs and brackets for the C5 LS1 brake conversion. I ordered a set of Hubs and brackets from him. WHAT A MISTAKE!!! Chris is the king of booo whooing and excuses about this that and the other thing. I waited over 6 months for some used up rusted pieces of crap hubs that came off a POS S10. ONE hub still had an ABS ring on it. He can powder coat the hubs for a fee. Or should I say he can powder coat some of the hub for a heafty fee. He left a good chunk of one of my hubs bare with rust poking through. Forget about customer service. HAH, what a joke. Good luck trying to get a hold of him. I wrote to him with these problems. He pretty much told me it was everybodies fault but his. Not even a mention of trying to actually fix the problem witha real solution, just another set of POS hubs just like I had. Who knows maybe 6 more months later for them. BOTTOM LINE! STAY AWAY IF YOU CARE ABOUT QUALITY WORK.

Wow. I always heard he did great work, just that he'd take his time occasionally. :shrug: I hope we get both sides to this.


Though I like the term King of Boo-Hooing. I'll have to use that.

i know i had a set of hubs he (CEcoatings) did i got from a friend as trade on some work i did. they were suposed to be for an LS1 swap. both had ABS rings still on them and it was the worst powdercoating i had ever seen hands down. a member of my club just got some powder and did a set of wheels, his first powder coating project ever and they looked realy good. yet this stuff from CEcoatings looks like crap, and he is a proffessional.

i can't speak to the loingevity of the coating as i never installed them, it looked like it would hold up, it was just not prety.

i also can not speak about there customer service, as i got these second hand i never delt with Cecoatings or TPI383.

this is also just one mans experiance. i am not saying you guys should not buy from him based on this, but i know i never will.

EDIT* here is a link to a photo of the hubs and caliper relocation brackets. the picture quality is not that great, the brakets looked great, but the hubs just look nasty.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/br...questions.html (LS1 questions)

EDIT *** new facts have come to light! please read below to find out how wrong this post is and why.

I bought a used set of Edelbrock TES headers from someone on these forums, they had been ceramic coated by Chris @ CE Coatings. The coating he did is great, no complaints, still perfect to this day (and works great too).

Those were my old headers I have had chris do a LOT of work for me, never had a problem, and always got top notch workmanship!

FB,
I told you if you want me to use NEW hubs pay for the cost of the NEW PARTS and I wold take care of it. So dont say I DINDT responnd. My last e-mal was telling you Id take care of it and not charge you for anything but the cost of NEW rotors to be used.

as for the ABS rings whats the diff. THE HUB is the same. The rings don't affect anything. send em back Ill knock the rings off and re-coat em. As for ****ty coating work whats bad about it EXCEPT for the rack marks on the reluctor ring?

Outta the 6yrs Ive been doing ceramic,thermal and powder coating and polishing I can say Ive only had a hand full of people complain. Ive just started chrome plating with in the last 6months and everyone saying its the best around. Ive PC'ed and chrome and ceramic coated everything form $10 lamps to a few $60k custom choppers seen in mags and TV.

Yes I had problems with the last batch of hubs.
1. The last guy making them not getting em to me. So I had to find someone new.
2. The new guy we tried putting on his lathe and keep eating up carbide bits so he had to order some hardened steel tips for his equipment. They were on back order from the company he used. Hes buying the tips so I can use his equipment to use I'm not about to tell him to buy em somewhere else. I told him Id buy them and he said No I order everything thru this place I'll take care of it.

So ya the long wait was because I didn't have the hubs in my hands before I posted the add. which was outta my hands.

Your not happy with the Powder job that all me. They are hubs you never see so they get all set on a rack and shot. I leave the races in and shoot em because at one point or another I tell everyone they need new races and bearings so knock the old ones out.

If your not happy with the coating send em back. Ill knock the rings off and recoat em if your worried about a few marks on the ring.

Xophertony,

From that picture the hubs look like there are Black wrinkle its not supposed to look all smooth and glossy. again Those have ABS rings because the same rotors for S10s are they same as fbodys just with abs. and those are C5 not LS1 brackets. If they were supposed to be LS1 the guy who originally bought em should have said something. I KNOW which brackets are which and wouldn't have put C5 in if he wanted LS1. Only thing I can think of is someone else got a box with LS1 and wanted C5. :shrug:

Yes I'm hard to get a hold of I put in I put in 16hr days sometimes less sometimes more. my PN# is on my site so you couldn't have tried that hard to get a hold of me. All it takes is a message left on my phone and I return all calls at the end of the day or the next day at a normal time.

Chris, you still need to settle up with me on the brackets I sent you a while back and I take Paypal just as you do, I'd appreciate a closure on this issue.

Thanks.

Ed

Pmed You a few days ago ed.

I ordered some C5 brackets from him and there were suppose to be shipped out the next day but 3 weeks later and I finally recieved them. I kept in contact with him and told him that it wasnt life or death but I did need to get them on and he kept in decent contact throughout the ordeal, it just took a while but I did get them. Thanks chris! please dont work so damn hard! or get someone to do your running for you! Good luck with the coatings, and that damn caddy!

As you can see from the reply he has ALOT of excuses for everything!!!

SIX MONTHS, SIX MONTHS I waited and waited. Excuse after excuse after excuse. Your customers don't want excuses they want results and they want what they paid for! It's not this guys fault or that guys fault why I didn't get my parts when and how they were promised. IT'S YOURS. You need to take some responsibility for you actions (or lack there of).
First problem was that he thought he sent me the hubs and brackets. Turns out he sent them to another guy with the same first name. Then I had to wait for another batch to be made. I'm in no hurry at this point. Second it was because this guy fell through. OK I can understand. Then it was cause this other guy didn't have the right tools. Still understanding but getting impatient. Then the same guy still had no tools months later. I'm getting a little less understanding now. We were about 4 months into the thing now. I finally get him to write me back after awhile and guess what they're on their way. He apologised for the wait and promised everyone who was waiting some CE coatings gift certificates for the inconvienance. A week later I write back saying I havn't seen them. He writes back saying "dude, like I have them on the front seat of my truck, whoa, I'll like send them out this saturday". Next week no box!! Really getting pissed. All the while I stated in every E-mail including the PayPal payment that he was to be using new rotors to make the hubs, not used crappy ones. Another week later I finally get a tracking number. Low and behold they show up after 6 months of this BS. I rip open the package like it's Christmas and what do I see. A giant pile of steaming dog schite. These hunks had powder coat missing all over the place. Those rack marks we imbeded in the PC all the way to bare metal. One hub had an ABS ring. Another was missing a race all together. Rust showing through. and the studs have been powder coated as well. Which I can't say is probably good for the threads.
Now he says it doesn't matter cause you can't see them. I guess it's OK to do a half *** job if you can't see it. Good thing heart surgeons don't think this way! He does really expensive chopper frames he says. Maybe so, he won't be doing anything of mine with an attitude and quality work like that!!
Now he tells me to send them back so He can send me another shi**ty set of careless hubs that I might see by the time my car becomes eligible for historic plates. Gimme a break.
Yes, I could have paid for the new rotors for him to cut down, but should I. After all this crap I had to put up with he can't spring for $50 in new parts to make the customer happy. Somehow I don't think it's right $110 for used hubs to be crappy powder coated all while waiting 6 months. No I say.

So here is my warning to all. STAY AWAY FROM THIS CON ARTIST.

I had good luck last year on my and my partners car. Took a couple weeks to get everything out but he told me it would be that long going in. Everything looked good when it arrived, and it all fit mint, no complaints here...

You say POS S10 well look up some part #'s because even IF you were to have me redo em with NEW ROTORS they are the same part #. with or with out ABS.

instead or running around crying and posting in every forum get NEW ROTORS and have em done.

You say $50 ok buy em there and Ill cover shipping cost. Because they cost $42.99 EACH here. I dono where you get $50 for 2.

BTW I do more then chopper frames. and look how many malpractice law suites there are also.......

So I say...

I'm done arguing with you. Ive put the ball in your court. You want NEW ROTORS Ive told you what to do. use the POS S10 ones as paper weight as far as I care don't ship em back.

So... did he post this anywhere else?

Well Chris,
It's good to see your polishing up those excellent customer service skills. I don't think even McDonalds would hire someone with that attitude.
That $50 quote I gave you was from a very small local auto parts store. You probably never heard of. I think it was called AUTOZONE. Where did you get $43 from? The dealer? Or, maybe you pulled it out of your butt like the rest of your comments. Fat chance I'll buy new rotors to ship to you. I'll never see them again. Here is a copy from Autozones website. You do know what a website is right?
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BRAKE ROTOR - FRONT for a
1989 PONTIAC TRANS AM
WITHOUT PERFORMANCE PACKAGE (Change)
Normal Stock




Item Part
No.
Warranty Core
Value Unit
Price Availability
Store Web
DURALAST 5547 2 YR $35.99
*** RECOMMEND INSPECTING THE BEARINGS AND SEALS DURING
MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT ***

VALUCRAFT 5547B 1 YR $24.99
*** RECOMMEND INSPECTING THE BEARINGS AND SEALS DURING
MAINTENANCE AND REPLACEMENT ***
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I say POS S10 hubs because an S10 is a truck. What do you think people do with trucks? They beat the crap out of them. Overloading, offroading, adding snowplows to the front. Ive even seen a guy weld a Bobcat bucket to the front of a sonoma. He was probably your cousin or something. Anyway those hubs have seen hard time more likely than not. The leftover grease inside smelled very burnt.

I would have had new rotors made up if I knew it would take you over 6 months to make these pieces of poop. With a final grand total being somewhere in the neighborhood of $165 when all is said and done. Not to mention all the BS I've had to go through.

If I would have known though that you watch this forum like a hawk I would have been communicating here instead. Maybe I could have gotten a hold of you. BTW. In case you didn't notice, I'm not the only one who has had a problem with the way you do business (or not). Plus this string has only been up for 3 days.
It's a shame youre still unwilling to admit you are wrong and STEP UP with a real solution. Swallow what little pride you have left and give up the hub and bracket idea. It's obviously not the best one you've had. I hope.

You remember that chain I told you about. One tells two, who tell two, who tell two more. You should have been more responsible. It all could have been avoided. Shame really. I hear the local colleges are giveng classes on business management. Should I sign you up??

Got it, thank you Sir. I haven't checked them in a few days.

Ed

I had posted a warning on the product review board about the hubs but it was locked out by the moderator. The only problem I had was with the hubs and the customer service. The brackets were nice! I am only trying to reach as many people as I can to keep them from making the same mistake. I'm not on a vendeta just a mission of mercy. Trying to spare as many as possible. It will all turn out ugly in the end anyway.

Here is that link:
http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/af...our-money.html (Don't waste your money on TPI383s hubs.)

Just to note, the Valucraft rotors are throw aways. They are way thinner than the factory rotors and they do not have the OE cooling fins that also provide application-specific brake noise reduction. They are also too thin to cut even once. I have worked for Autozone and would never use these rotors unless they were on a real beater car. They are soft Chinese steel and will not get much life on them.

uh yea, nobody actually buys and uses the "value" rotors. I had a set on my winter beater, lasted 4 months before they chattered like crazy.

I think he's talking about REAL rotors, which would be worth getting coated.

firechicken, I can understand your frustration, but insults do nothing but make YOU look immature. It sounds like you just want to tear into this guy, without actually solving this "problem". Do you have any pictures of this shoddy powder coating?

Actually, both rotors are of the exact same measurements... I know, I had both out today at work comparing them (I currently work for the Zone) So before you go spouting what the sales manager tells you so you can upsell the DuraJunk, please do the research and/or compare the two.. The only difference- manufacturer, and material (BTW, the ValuCrap material does meet OE specs, just doesn't exceed) Just to clear things up, I wouln't buy either, spend the cash for Bendix, AC Delco, or Baer Decela... But if your cutting them down anyway, it doesn't matter which one you go for

exactly what Bob says here. I would have a hard time beliving any company would sell brake rotors under minimum specs for safety, let alone the leading auto parts store in America. The Zone I used to work at had a brake lathe and I was constantly comparing rotors and thickneses and found the Valucraft were too thin after normal use to cut again. So before the next time you go around saying your company sells unsafe auto parts on the internet, do a little more research and a little less leaning on the counter. Not making fun of you or anything, I just want to make sure you can be the best Autozoner you can be. GIVE ME An A!......GIVE M...... oh, sorry nevermind.

Exactally.. A good friend of mine work for the company that supplies 80-90% of manufactures with there powdered metals to make rotors,ARP Rod bolts, all GMs powder metal rods,Pink rods etc.

the Valucraft doesnt exceed OEM because they buy the left over powders form other jobs. ( I cant say they USE it because that I DO NOT KNOW )

So let me get this straight FBird. you want me to BUY THE CHEAP rotors. ohh wait you dont want no POS hubs so that leaves you with the ones that cost $40+ each. not $20ish each.

BTW I know what AUTOZONE is and I dont go there much. I actually use a LITTLE MOM AND POP store called TONNYS why because its FAMILY OWNED.

yepp they cost more then autozone for the exact same thing but Id rather support the little family shop when I can.


BTW this is MY LOCAL AUTOZONE zip 44438. Different Zones diff. Prices is what it looks like to me. So befor you shoot your mouth more about the price Id say do some research..

Venom I am a mechanical engineer working on a master's degree. I know for a fact that the Valucraft rotors for a 1997 Buick LeSabre, which is the same front rotor that all of the H body GM FWD cars use, was thinner than a Duralast or the OE rotor. It would measure the same with a caliper overall but the machinable material was a lot thiner on each side. They made up for it by having much more fin area in between each face.

Bite me!

Some people can never take criticism.......... I never said that the macinable parts were the same thickness, only the overall as you noted. I know how they made up for it. Well Im not going to hijack this thread with childish bickering on the internet, so to stay on topic, Ive never dealt personally with Chris, but his targa top Camaro was wearing the front nose off a car I parted out (he got it from RobertG, who I sold it to) and Rob always told me how nice of a guy Chris is, but said he is always busy with projects.

oh.


i never actualy said you sent the wrong brackets, just that i recieved from my friend the wrong brackets. HE told me they would work for an LS1 swap, the fact that they do not could be his mistake as easy as it could be yours.. i dod not intend to imply that you sent him the wrong thing. i have no information on the specifics of his transaction with you.

see for yourself:
that is the only mention i ever made to brackets in my post.

i gotta say, i may have been wrong about my comments on your powdercoating, it my be this "black wrinkle", probably is. so i would like to apologize, i jumped on the bandwagon without all the facts... sorry.

Firechicken, I know about the other thread, I posted in it. As I mentioned there, it doesn't look too good when you do that. It just looks like a mud-slinging campaign. The fact that he's trying to make it right is a good sign, yet you seem to be trying to avoid that. It won't hurt your 'warning' by allowing him to correct any alleged problems.

Oh and if you can't host the pics of the powsder coated stuff, pm me, I'll host them because it may help your position... and now I'd like to see some confirmation as well.

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I'll give you an 'E' for effort. Never saw anyone say they were unsafe, so before you decide to slam someone maybe you should read a little more carefully. And you did not address the issue of the inferior Chinese steel.

Oh... and it's real big of you to forgo 'bickering' after you took a shot or two and the person responded cordially. Real big of you.

Chris,
First of all I don't know who Fbird is my screen name is FIRECHICKEN.
Second, the actual hub part of the rotor assembly is usually totally different than the actual rotor surface. they are not usually cast as one piece. So it doesn't matter how crappy the rotors are or how thin the surface is. It gets cut off. And yes the hubs you sent me were Pieces of Schite. For all you know they used to be value craft rotors or something from mexico. So don't talk about what you don't know.

The reason that your Mom and Pop store is still a small store is probably cause they overcharge for parts. It's probably also why you have to charge too much. Nobody wants to hear about your so called good deeds supporting the community, when their getting ripped on the price for what they are getting.
I'm not saying use Autozone either I'm simply giving you an example of those elusive cheaper rotors you can't find. Your price difference is only $10 so I don't want to hear it.


Everybody else,

I think we have gotten off subject here. It doesn't matter what thickness the rotors are, they get cut from the hubs and trashed. Plus the problem I have with this is the USED hubs . I don't want to take the chance of using someone elses used up parts that may or may not break in half in 3 months. You don't know what your getting. I asked Chris numerous times to make sure he was using new hubs. He never said he wasn't. Then I got these. How would you like to buy something you thought was going to be new then wait an eternity for it only to get someone elses used up parts. Plus you were never told that any of that was going to happen. I guess you can polish a turd! Or at least coat it. Mostly.

Everything else aside I am mostly pissed at the total, absolute, unquestionable lack of customer service, communication, basic comprehention of business sense, and understanding of the customers needs. He really should not have wasted my time with this when it could have been avoided from the beginning. Assuming you can buy junkyard rotors for $15-$20 each it would have cost Chris $10-$15 to make it right for all the problems he has caused me. Instad of me having to put another $25-$30 in new races to make these hubs useable. I don't want him to fix it with the same thing I have now and waste more of my time on this. I am calling it a loss and moving on to help others. It's like putting a band-aid on a gunshot wound.
I don't know how else to make it any clearer.

Used rotors are $5ea.to $10ea. here.

Again you say and let me QUOTE YOU.

What CANT you understand from my last dozen post above..

Enough has been said on both parts. I gave you the chance to have em redone with NEW ROTORS and KEEP them old ones as paper weight as far as I care.

Forget it now since your still bickering about it. and sayin they will still be "THE SAME" and posting this BS in every forum and every thread to do with brakes.

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/2945079-post86.html


This thread should be locked like the other one. Bitching on both sides isnt gonna change anything. Postig this in ever other forum isnt gona change my mind. Its just gonna make me thing you just as big of an *** as you think I am now.

You know if you didn't go posting in multiple posts repeating youself like a broken record and I might have worked with you. but now Im to the point your just bein an *** about it so My minds made up Im done with it also.

I believe there's a serious problem on the kindergarten playground,today Mr. Rogers!

For Christ's sake,either meet up and beat the piss out of eachother or shut up,both of ya.I know of high school girls who act more grown up than EITHER of you two are.

While I don't know how long ago this transpired, I can vouch for Chris and say that he's been under a heavy workload for a while with some of the things he's got going on, and sometimes trying to do 2-3 jobs at once. I'm not saying this should be an excuse for anyone, especially if you feel that you do have a valid complaint, I'm just saying what I've seen.

Chris has done work for me before as well, and I'm happy with the results. Everyone has good and bad experiences with businesses, and that's just what happened here with both parties.

I hope you both work it out, I'm just saying I haven't had a bad experience with Chris or CECoatings, and I'll continue to use the service he offers.

Wow I never thought that guy would leave. Apperently Chris doesn't understand that I don't want anything from him. I gave him his chance outside of this board. He only gave more excuses. this thread was not intended to spark and argument. It was intended to warn the unsuspecting consumer about the shady acts of one of this boards vendors. I see from the hit count and number of posts here it is doing it's job.
By the way Chris I am having a set of hubs made at my local NAPA machine shop. I will just spray them my self after some masking. They will definately turn out better. as for the other post thread reply you are mentioning. those are not even directed at you they are merely one mans true accounts of a bad situation. They are meant to inform and warn. Don't you have something better to do than track down my activities here on the boards. Maybe PC another $60,000 chopper frame?
I'll keep posting until I'm satisfied that alot of people know about the problems you caused me. You should have tried harder in the beginning!

I think you made your point.

No offense but. I don't listen to the autozone employees much, and I listen to the middle aged manager even less. Perhaps longer time in school, and less time drinking would have landed better employment opportunities. I've spent enough years in engineering to know that the guy who sells the 'whatever' is at least 5 positions away from the guy who really knows whats going on.

I can tell what parts work and what don't based on failure and return rates.. Autozone used to have lifetime warranties on the rotors, they found that most rotors cam back within 3 years. Now they are 1 and 2 year warranties. Most stock OEM rotors last 5+ years.

With that said, since you guys are just using the HUB for this, i can't really see why it matters.

Chris is a great guy, and I'm not too concered about fireturd or firechicken or whatever his name is. Maybe Chris goofed this one, but I see numerous attempts to correct a problem on Chris's part. end of story. Someone please lock this. Just keep in mind the board rules, please, if your thread is locked and you keep opening new threads on the same topic, it may result in banning.

-- Joe

Uh, Who the hell are you? You have no idea what really happened. What are you Chris's butt buddy?
If Chris would have been paying attention in the first place he would'nt have to try back pedaling so fast to fix the screw up, and exactly how has he tried to fix it. Lets see. first he wanted me to just deal with the rack marks and rust and ABS ring and missing race cause thats how he sells them. Then he wanted me to send them back for him to fix those up by cutting off the ABS ring and recoating. Which I was reluctant to do because I already waited six months for these.Then he wanted to send me two more from yhe shelf (if he had them) which may or may not have ABS rings again. Then he wanted me to pay an additional $86 for the new hubs that I was supposed to get originally. Or at least that's what I was lead to believe for those 6 months. That would bring my grand total to $196 for 2 new PCed hubs with studs. WOW. I'm currently having new rotors machined and studs installed for $128. So you do the math. That's right he was trying to rip me off. I guess I should have done all this myself in the beginning.

ABS ring is no big deal. races and bearings cones get changed at the same time, its a matched set. Perhaps not hanging the part on a rack, and instead using "the force" to suspend it in thin air. (i'll have to run that by my paint guy tomorrow).

Chris goofed, fact. You're a difficult customer, with unrealistic demands that no man can meet. Your irrational, and not willing to accept any terms other than your own. (which we have yet to identify).

Chris wasn't trying to "rip you off", you were not singled out. Over $110? I get more than that to look at a schematic and say "yes" or "no".

-- Joe

Ouch!Bet that one bites you in the ***!If you didn't notice,his title is:supporter/moderator.I believe you just commited an act on this board comparable to telling a highway patrolman to get f#cked.Your bad,I suppose.

What we are all saying is,your pissed,and likely you are right in doing so.But your going about it WAY wrong.I can't say I respect the way that TPI383 has readily participated in your pissing match,but at this point,everyone gets the picture.We can all now make an informed decision on whether or not to do buisness with him.At this point,if your not a complete moron,you'll let it go as point taken.Somehow I get the feeling your not able to do that,though.

I don't know maybe my expectations are a little high when I believe that someone should actually try to do a good job at their profession. Am I a difficult customer? Sure. If difficult customers actually expect to get what they asked for and paid for from the beginning. It's not about the money. It's the principal of BAD CUSTOMER SERVICE.!!!!!!!!!!!

Irocz,

I suppose that title of Moderator makes him some sort of god here? All it means is he has alot of time on his hands to spend looking over everbodies sholder. I've been on this board longer than he has. Some Highway patrolmen need to get ****ed. Their almost as bad as those part time wanna be real cops. So, Exactly how would you handle getting screwed by a business and not having anyone to take it up with since the guy who did the screwing owns the place?

I suppose this thread will eventually quiet down and people will forget. I'll wait for a bit, then post again just to remind people to be vigilant in their dealings with shady characters. I obviously can't win since everybody loves Chris sooo much. Just imagine being in my situation for awhile before you post back.

No,the title moderator does not make them god.But they DO put a lot of time in so you and I can enjoy this board.I agree that you got screwed.I just think your handling it like a spoiled little kid.

How would I handle it?Well,most likeley I'd be taking a roadtrip to visit the said screwer.Then I'd give him the option face to face to make thing right.If he still opted to not do so,I'd beat his a#s until I felt like I had my moneys worth.That's just the way I roll.This thread will be completely forgotten about in 6 months.Knots and bruises will forever be remembered.

Remember,you asked how I would handle it,I'm not saying this is the best way to do it.It is,however,the best way I've found.

Other than the fact I would be wasting more money, that's the smartest thing I've read on this thread. It is less time consuming that posting on here.

If your pissing and moaning this much,is it really about the money any more?

No you haven't.

-- Joe

Dude, he has done so much to try to remidy the problem for you! i accually see Really good customer servce! all you are doing is making an *** out of yourself! trust me, i work with people everyday, i see it all the time. If i was him, i would be doing the same thing, Trying to make you happy so you will go away. Hell, the way your keeping up, my manager would have already kicked you out and asked politely if you would never come back again... Until we see these POS hubs your talking about, as soon as i get bigger rim's i think i will go through Chris for my c5 brake conversion.

Sigh... my bad...

I did get the pics, I should have them up soon at www.bestoilaround.com/hubs.

OMG me TOO!!!!

sorry dude. i had too.


hey man, i can't even get DNS to resolve that ... did you forget to pay your domain regestry or somthing?

You're bitching about some surface rust and rack marks on the backside of the hubs that no one will ever see but you?............Wow

Works for me..?

-- Joe

That is so funny, that this post starts out about some coatings and ends up about driving somewhere to whoop someones ***, I know it seem to him that he has gotten a bad deal, but it looks like the guy is trying to do someting to offer to correct this situation. Im an innocent buystander and am just reading the post so its just my oppinion that maybe they could compromise and maybe at least refund half his money. But how I roll is if someone visits me with a *** beating, they will in turn take one they will never forget, just remember, no matter how bad you think you are, someone else can smoke your ***. There is no sense in violence over less than 150 bucks, just relax and work something out. Now 151.00 its a different story.....lol.

Ya all this bitchin about coatings and poor service and all I see is a little spoiled brat with NO proof, damaging chris's character. I delt with chris as stated earlier and yes he took FOREVER it seemed(3 weeks) to send me brackets but Im not in here draggin him through the dirt like a baby. man I can only imagine what your like at a restaurant and they dont cook your food just right. jeesh dude get off you *** and post some damn pics or mods should lock this!! Also I would like to see in an email or PM from him stating that he was going to use new hubs. If you have done ANY research on the boards you would see that its typical that Ed and Chris use "old" rotors unless you pay for New ones. I still cant figue out why your bitching about some abs ring that in no way effects the hub???? If I was a vender I would NEVER do business with you not worth the time and hasssel because every one is still human and ppl do make mistakes, you recieved your parts granted VEY VERY late and you have the right to be pissed about that but when chirs comes in and says hey this is what I can do to try to make it right and you offer NOTHING in way of a comprimise or even a different solution your as bad as Al qaeda in Iraq, your just fighting to fight and there isnt a peacful solution no matter what anyone does. please, ppl have posted more than once telling you to GROW up so please take there advice and quit acting like a 5 year old....

It's been noted that Chris spreads himself a little thin, thus the often long wait times.

Pics have been provided and posted and the link works in IE and Firefox.

As for being a baby, I can see where he is coming from, but as I mentioned earlier, pushing it past a certain point only hurts his position. And Chris apparently has offered to make right on any craftsmanship issues. I don't really think he can change the 6 month thing. :shrug:

The info is out here for people to see so I'd say leave it at that. I'll leave the picks up for a week or so unless I forget about them.

If I was him I would have lost those pics. They really do nothing for his cause. IMO they just make him look bad. I still don't understand how or why he would have thought he was getting new parts for the original price of $110. Even at $50 for the pair of rotors once you figure in the machine work, powder coating and shipping that would leave no room for profit.

+1 for chris.