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first off, i would have ordered these from summit any day before i ordered them from jegs just because i always had good experiences with them, but they said they cant get them. i ordered a set of afr's new "ELIMINATOR" 195cc street heads from jegs on 6/14. they told me they are on backorder for 6 weeks, no big deal i expected that. 7/26 called jegs, date has been pushed back to first week of august. 8/8 called jegs, they are expecting them on the 15th of august. 8/21 called jegs, they are expecting them the 30th of august. 8/30 called jegs, they are expecting them september 4th. 9/7 I get a call from jegs, they want to confirm my credit card information because my part is ready to ship, so i call their 800 number and confirm everything and they tell me they are in their warehouse and will ship out on monday, and for a tracking number to call back on monday cause the tracking number hasnt been generated yet. monday 9/11 i call jegs for the tracking number, they tell me that they dont even have the part yet and dont expect it till November 6th.... WTF!? i explain that i was told they already had them and were shipping out today. they said the tech probably misinformed me blah blah blah. i call back today 9/12 to see if maybe i can talk to a smarter tech who can look into it. he said the same thing as the previous tech, hasnt ship out yet, but it gets better they dont expect them to be in until December 6th... WTF!? thats 6 months, 4 times longer than they originally told me.
anyone else have this problem? particularly with ordering the AFR heads hopefully recently?
yea, I ordered a set from JD,s Performance in FL and they are taking longer than expected. They were telling me what AFR was telling them. I guess they are having delays at AFR and misinforming their vendors of time frames? I havent heard Dec. yet but havent checked lately. You might want to call AFR and get the straight scoop(hopefully) Ill probably call them this week myself and post what they say here.
There is a normal waiting period on AFR heads because they are so popular. I have a feeling the when jegs gets a shipment in they are sending yours to the next person inline instead of you. I had that happen once before to me. They keep telling you its in but then they tell you it won't be in for xx weeks. Stupid!
yea, I ordered a set from JD,s Performance in FL and they are taking longer than expected. They were telling me what AFR was telling them. I guess they are having delays at AFR and misinforming their vendors of time frames? I havent heard Dec. yet but havent checked lately. You might want to call AFR and get the straight scoop(hopefully) Ill probably call them this week myself and post what they say here.
what was the date that you ordered them on? maybe one of us can get a more accurate date off of comparing the dates we ordered them and they date we actually get them.
i called AFR, they told me that they are currently processing the orders from early april, and if a wanted a more specific date to call jegs and have jegs call AFR, so i did that and they said my order would be in aprox. 3 weeks. the tech checked on other orders of this part and said that there are 11 orders, and i am the second.
I didnt order mine until late June so Im afraid to find out when mine are comming. Im waiting for an email back from JD's perf. Let you know what I find out.
We are a supplier for AFRs. The story I got a few months back from our rep was that they had to change foundrys (the place that casts the heads) because the old place doubled the cost on the castings..
They have also been updating the ports on all the heads so thats taking some time also.. the new heads are even better than the old 1s.. hang in there for a great set of heads..
the new heads are even better than the old 1s.. hang in there for a great set of heads..
You say the new heads are better than the old ones but what about the competition ported AFR heads vs the eliminator heads? Has anyone got any dyno results or tried these heads out?
You say the new heads are better than the old ones but what about the competition ported AFR heads vs the eliminator heads? Has anyone got any dyno results or tried these heads out?
yea afr has comparison dyno graphs on their web site Air Flow Research
engine masters has a long article in their magazine also Engine Masters
im excited about getting these new heads, i ordered them in a perfect time to put on my new engine, i estimated the engine be ready in the 6 weeks when i was gonna get the heads, and the only thing stopping me from continueing is the heads
There's an 8-12 week (MINIMUM) waiting list on ALL standard small block Chevy heads made by AFR. It doesn't matter where you order them from.
That's the problem with AFR. They make the best cylinder heads on the market, but the waiting period to get them is ridiculous. You'd think a company that's been around as long as they have, and is as popular/successfull as they are, would have dozens, if not hundreds of heads on the shelve's waiting to be shipped.
Basically, what they do is wait until they have x-amount of orders before they decide to tool up for production. It's B.S.
If it make you feel any better, it could be a lot worse.
There's currently a 5-6 MONTH waiting time for the AFR 210 "raised runner" LT4 cylinder heads I need for my LT1.
That's what's been holding me back from getting them for so long now. I just can't justify spending $4500+ Canadian, and not seeing anything in return for like a half year!
From now until then, I know I'll end up needing that money for other things so I just never get around to placing an order.
Jegs is just telling you when the next arrival of afr stock comes in.
Wait times will decrease. AFR will be moving to a new building with 3 more mills to increase production.
__________________ The world's best cam combined with a poor set of heads will produce an engine that's a dog. But bolt on a set of great heads even with a poor cam, and that engine will still make great power
i just called ADperformance and spoke to brian. he told me that they have these heads in stock, i placed an order with him and he also said he would price match jegs, which was $100 cheaper. so i gave him a credit card number and he said that they would be on their shipping list tomorrow, and i will recieve a tracking number by email. he also is going to "put his hands on them" to make sure he has the specific heads i wanted in stock the 1038's. and if anything is not accurate with what we discussed on the phone he will give me a call back within the hour. i will cancel my order with jegs once i have these heads ADPerformance, Your Source for Longblock Performance Parts
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i ordered my eliminators way back in january. i actually called to order a set of the now old version of the 195's. but mcquillen racing told me if i just waited a few more weeks i could get the new eliminators instead. here i am 8 months later still waiting.
if i could find someobody who had these heads in stock, i'd cancel my order with mcquillens on the spot.
just wanted you to know youre not waiting alone for these heads. i was told originally mine cold be shipping in april. now ive been given about 5 supposed ship dates only for them ALL to come and go.
brian from adperformance called me back and said he has some eliminators in stock but not the 1038's. he called afr and asked about when hes going to get more 1038's. he is supposed to get a shipment in 3 weeks afr said, which is october 4th. brian seems to be a straight forward guy seeing as he wanted to make sure he had these in stock before he gave me a ship date, so if anything happens and he doesnt get them on time, i think it would be a fault on afr's part not on adperformance. if i were you i would call brain and ask him what he has in stock if you need something other than the 1038's, because he did say he has other part numbers of the heads in stock, but im not sure which ones.
well i jsut got off the phone with mcquillen racing. they siad theyd send me a set that was actually intended for a customers engine he was building, but i have to pay EXTRA freight. the total is $1479. im so frustrated, i just bit the bullet and did it.
they also said if i decided to wait for the set that was supposed to be shipped directly to me, itd be at least 2 more weeks since afr is running only 75 cc chambered heads right now. i feel like i just got suckered, but at least i SHOULD have my heads by tuesday. ill repost as soon as i get an update.
We're a direct master distributor, one of their largest, and I talk to my rep about one thing or another nearly everyday. I have had new casting Eliminators on order since Febuary and I'm still waiting for that allocation to be filled. If your order is in June or August it's more than likely still going to be a while.
To the best of my knowledge Jeg's didn't even order new castings, they're not "up to date" enough to preorder heads and their system just orders the same allocation. They're receive new heads eventually because it's the only thing that AFR is shipping. If AFR's move goes as expected it's probably November when they receive heads, if I had to guess. If you think about the timeframe... Jegs was ordering old casting heads for months and will be behind anyone who preordered new castings. If AFR's move disrupts things, and it will, their order almost certainly isn't going to be finished until after the move... and into November before delivery.
The new foundry due to cost is a new one for me. AFR was using a head casting that was over 10 years old and had been band aided numerous times. It finally broke to the point it couldn't be fixed, hence the complete STOP in SBC production we experienced in June, July and August (AFR hadn't planned on completely stopping their product line.) If I'm not mistaken AFR had been doing in-house castings for the SBC line and its now done by Buddybar. The old casting already needed to be updated, and AFR already had the new Eliminators in process, when the old mold broke it necessitated the switch and everyone pushed to get the new product finished. AFR's prototype Eliminator was on display at PRI last December if anyone who went remembers...
As for the new building...
Longterm yes, it's going to speed up production. Short term NO, it certainly isn't going to help production. 30% more porting machines isn't going to make a bit of difference when you're looking at entire week setup times for apartment size CNC machines and the simple logistics of moving an entire production shop. If the "bubble" is any less than 2 weeks I'd be shocked but I'd expect production slowdowns for at least a month knowing the scope of the project and, unfortunately, AFR's slow reputation. Think about the machinery - moving it, balancing it, setting it up, rigging and wiring, resetting all the programs and then finally getting it back into production. Some of these machines are the size of an apartment, they're not a small cnc machine. Then the logistics of transporting parts, unfinished heads and EVERYTHING else - we're talking in the back of box trucks and pickups-this isn't a multi million dollar send in the movers and let them take care of it operation.
Quick - We'll get your our first set when it arrives. I have some more this week but I don't know if a 1038 is in this batch or not but we'll get you heads before November.
