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Old 04-22-2011, 11:54 PM   #51
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Re: White Performance, Skip White?

I bought a set of hardened chrome moly +.100 sbc pushrods and a set of Delphi hydraulic sbc lifters from Skip White last June. Got a hell of a deal on them and they have performed wonderfully. The Comp Cams "high performance" lifters that came with my XE284 cam lasted about a month before one failed, despite a perfect break in (diesel oil, zinc additive, engine fired immediately and ran 25 mins). Next time I need lifters I will definitely get the Delphi's from White. Much cheaper than others and better quality.
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skip is the only way to go.... i bought a set of probe p2256lw pistons with rings for 350, now thats a deal, also he is doing my balancing and i will be getting one of his 350 1pc seal blocks shortly.

billy is his man in the front. super nice, and friendly, skip and fred all the way!
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Bought tons of stuff from their ebay store, just not heads, yet, and they have been great. Parts are always spot on as advertised and good quality shippings quick and they are easy to work with.
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I'm confused. Which one do I call about engine pricing?
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skip is over the ebay site, fred does the engine stuff, i love the gaurantee they give, and anyone who had problems with products, they took care of them immediatly. nothing but good guys.
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My brother just built a 350, 10.7:1 compression, and used a set of thier assembled pro comp 210cc heads and one of thier howards cams in his motor. Awesome deal, fast shipping, and the motor runs beautifully. He's called them a bunch of times for info on what combos they recommend for an engine set up and they def know thier stuff. I'd recommend them!
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My brother just built a 350, 10.7:1 compression, and used a set of thier assembled pro comp 210cc heads and one of thier howards cams in his motor. Awesome deal, fast shipping, and the motor runs beautifully. He's called them a bunch of times for info on what combos they recommend for an engine set up and they def know thier stuff. I'd recommend them!
Did you do any work to the heads after recieving them from Skip? I've looked into buying a set of Procomps, but buying them is a huge gamble on the castings. Maybe Skip does some extra measures with his castings to ensure he doesn't have any issues from complaints.
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Did you do any work to the heads after recieving them from Skip? I've looked into buying a set of Procomps, but buying them is a huge gamble on the castings. Maybe Skip does some extra measures with his castings to ensure he doesn't have any issues from complaints.
Nope, bolted them on as-cast. In all honesty, they look pretty decent out of the box. They claim they are a 210cc but the flow tests show they flow a little less in reality. My brother got the CNC chambers (highly recommend) on his and for the price you really can't beat them. Two of the accesory holes were a little rough looking but all you need to do is run a quick tap into them and clean the holes. There was one hole that we couldn't get a bolt started in because the very first thread was semi tweaked. Chased it out and that was it. Car runs excellent and seems real strong. Were going to throw it on a dyno and mess with the jetting in the next week or so so I can let you know how they perform. He's hoping for around 370 WHP.
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Have bought a few items from them. Awesome service and parts for a real good price.
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I bought a set of there Pro Comp heads, along with cam, lifters, rocker and several othere items. after 6 months use I found the valve stems pitting, I called and after several attempts to get answers they said that they have seen problems and sent me new valves, I replaced with the new valves and after 1,000 miles I find there are doing the same thing. My attempts to get the problem resolved since June ( and now late August) with little responce. They tell me they will call and give me times and dates that hey will call back but never do. I found thes problem on accident and caution everyone to check to see if they are having the same issues. Good Luck!
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Any of you who know about this machine shop?
http://stores.ebay.com/whiteperforma...Q3amesstQQtZkm

Among other stuff they sell these low priced aluminium heads:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/SBC-C...mZ260072152965

Apparently they do some machine work on them before they assemble and sell them. Are they good?

I see they have very good feedback, but I would like to know more from other places than Ebay.
I bought a set of Pro Comp Heads from White Perfomance and have nothing but problems. the tops of the valves started shipping and coming apart, within 2 thousand miles. After contacting them and waiting for 2 months I find out they have had mulitable problems with them and they shipped me new valves from a new vendor. After 1,000 use they are showing the same issues, I have waited from June 2011 to Sept 2011 for them to fix the problem. I found the original problem by chance, so be aware of the problem and the service White Performance offers. We are in the process of filing a complaint against White Performance.
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Seems like they just peddle cheap Made in china junk for cheap. You get what you pay for. I think those heads might still be a decent deal if you replaced the valves, though.

Nevermind, those are $900 heads. Thats crazy. Maybe theyre better than I give them credit for... just the valves aren't.

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I've never bought heads from them. I bit the bullet and paid a lot more cash for a set of AFR's, which haven't given me a lick of trouble. However, I did buy a set of their knockoff, Comp Cams Pro Magnum style, stainless full roller rockers, a set of hardened pushrods, and one of their aluminum water pumps. All of those parts cost about half or less than the same premium brand stuff from Summit, and I haven't had any problems with any of the parts they sold me. I guess I'm leery about buying any critical engine parts, such as heads, pistons, cranks, etc. that aren't premium brand stuff, but when it comes to stuff like rockers, valve covers, oil pans, water pumps, starters, alternators, etc., you really can't go wrong with buying from them. They have a great guarantee on the stuff they sell. If you're looking to cut costs on some of the secondary engine components like the stuff I mentioned above, I wouldn't hesitate to buy from Skip. On a side note, AFR has also had quality problems with some of the components they put on their heads, such as the Chinese rocker studs they used for a while to try and save costs. I bought mine used, so they needed some attention, and I had a local head guy who does almost nothing but racing heads 5 days a week go through them and put premium components in them (ARP studs, Ferrea valves, Comp springs, viton seals, etc.). Some parts of a motor are just too important to be a cheapskate about!
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SHADY COMPANY AND OWNER SKIP WHITE LIKES TO CUSS WOMEN AND EVEN SCREAM AT 15 YEAR OLD EMPLOYEE

BOUGHT A ROATING ASSEMBLY THAT ENED UP FALSLY ADVERTISED.HE TOLD MY WIFE WE WERE 'HILLBILLYBITCHES AND TO **** OFF'

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SHADY COMPANY AND OWNER SKIP WHITE LIKES TO CUSS WOMEN AND EVEN SCREAM AT 15 YEAR OLD EMPLOYEE

BOUGHT A ROATING ASSEMBLY THAT ENED UP FALSLY ADVERTISED.HE TOLD MY WIFE WE WERE 'HILLBILLYBITCHES AND TO **** OFF'

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You sir are committing whats called defamation, and on your 1st post to the board no less.... I'd revise your statement to proven/provable factual information... not an emotional outburst that could damage someones character, and wind up costing you.



All of my dealings with this company have been nothing but great. Great pricing, service and communication.
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alot of cool stuff (bolt on) parts.have a try a few things. just to see.
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Whatever you do, just don't use thier "howards" camshafts. They told my brother they make 420 HP with the cam and heads they gave him at LESS compression than what his engine had. His motor was not even close to that. I'd say maybe 330 HP tops. After asking a bunch of opinions on the setup, it was determined that the cam was just an old school crap grind and was the limiting factor in the engine. Other than that, they were very freindly to deal with.
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You sir are committing whats called defamation, and on your 1st post to the board no less.... I'd revise your statement to proven/provable factual information... not an emotional outburst that could damage someones character, and wind up costing you.


STRAIGHT FACTS HERES THE LISTING http://www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-CHEVY-35...item56454ce7f0 AND I GOT A STOCK REPLACEMENT JUNK CRANK INSTEAD OF THE 9000 SCAT CRANK AND ALSO THE ROD WAS A LOWER QUALITY ROD I KNOW THE STUFF IS NOT THE BEST WHAT I ORDERED BUT I DIDNT ORDER THE JUNK HE SENT ME ... AND THIS IS WHAT MY CUSTOMER WANTED (WHATS IN THE ADD) NOT WHAT HE THOUGHT HE WOULD SEND ME ..SO WHEN HE DOESNT THEN HE SAYS THATS A OLD ADD BUT GO TO HIS WEB PAGE AND ITS RIGHT THERE IN COLOR .....AND ALSO IM NOT HIDING MY NAME AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR COMING FROM BUT I HAVE FACTS ......... THANKS FOR YOUR TIME GREG
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http://www.skipwhiteperformance.com/...tem=350-RA1F30 THEN HERES THE ADD ON HIS WEB PAGE HMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM DOES IT SAY STOCK REPLACEMENT CRANK NOPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPPEEEEEEEEEEE JUST FACTS AND SOME HAVE A POSITIVE NOTE FROM HIM I JUST HAVE A NEGATIVE AND I OFFERED FOR HIM TO FIX IT AND HE SAID WELL I CANT SAY THAT ....
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You sir are committing whats called defamation, and on your 1st post to the board no less.... I'd revise your statement to proven/provable factual information... not an emotional outburst that could damage someones character, and wind up costing you.


STRAIGHT FACTS HERES THE LISTING http://www.ebay.com/itm/SBC-CHEVY-35...item56454ce7f0 AND I GOT A STOCK REPLACEMENT JUNK CRANK INSTEAD OF THE 9000 SCAT CRANK AND ALSO THE ROD WAS A LOWER QUALITY ROD I KNOW THE STUFF IS NOT THE BEST WHAT I ORDERED BUT I DIDNT ORDER THE JUNK HE SENT ME ... AND THIS IS WHAT MY CUSTOMER WANTED (WHATS IN THE ADD) NOT WHAT HE THOUGHT HE WOULD SEND ME ..SO WHEN HE DOESNT THEN HE SAYS THATS A OLD ADD BUT GO TO HIS WEB PAGE AND ITS RIGHT THERE IN COLOR .....AND ALSO IM NOT HIDING MY NAME AND I DO UNDERSTAND WHERE YOUR COMING FROM BUT I HAVE FACTS ......... THANKS FOR YOUR TIME GREG

Oddly enough I recieved a call From Mr. White himself today. He said he saw this post and being he is no longer a sponsor, his log in didnt work, while he gets that straightened out, he asked if I would be so kind as to post up a recent phone call he had directly with Scat about the crank you recieved.

Again I have zero vested interest here, I just know an unfair accusation when I see it. Skip said you did indeed recieve a 9000 series crank from him, if this isnt true, take a quality photo of the crank you have showing the part number if otherwise.

Skip seems to be a very stand up guy and like I said in my prior post bashing with out facts is gonna get you in trouble.

Heres the actual recorded phone call of Skip and Scat:
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Post pics of your damaged crank and the part number. I heard the call posted, The rep at Scat clearly says they only have 2 cranks in this configuration, the cast unit you got (9000) series and their forged 4340 unit.

FYI the term "stock replacement" simply means will fit a stock block, without modifications to the bearing bore, rods etc.... its clearly not a basic "oem" replacement type.

Lastly Greg, its considered rude to type in all CAPS when on a forum.

Save some face, post your proof, or apologize.
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GETTING ALL THE ADDS TOGETHER

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THIS IS WHERE I GET THE TERM STOCK """STRAIGHT FROM THE CATALOG AND MR WHITE CAN USE ALL HIS TRICKERY HE WANTS ANYBODY THAT READS THE EBAY ADD CAN CLEARLY SEE WHERE HE STATES IS GOES UP TO 600 HP THEN LATER 500 PLUS HP AND SCAT DOES NOT ADVERTISE 500 HP AND THE TERM "STOCK REPLACEMENT""" SCAT Replacement Cranks & Kits
Chevy (for stock or mildly built street engines)

Designed to replace stock crankshafts that have seen better days.
  • Precision ground and micro polished
  • NO more hassle with poor quality crank cores
  • Simplify your bearing stocks to all standard/standard size
  • Designed & Engineered at SCAT
I KNOW EXACTLY HOW MR WHITE SOUNDS ON THE PHONE I HAVE TWO VOICE MAILS FROM HIM AND ONCE I GET THEM OUT IT WILL EXAC SHOW MY COMMENT OF HIS CIRCUS ...AND THEY ARE STRAIGHT FACTS ... EVERYONE WHO READS THE ADD CAN SEE WHERE HE IS PULLING TRICKS ...AND WHEN I SAY 9000 ITS THE 9000 CRANK AS WHERE HE SAYS 600 HP BUT IN THIS ADD HE TELLS THE TRUTH AND NO TRICKS U ASK WHY WELL SO DO I.....HERE HE SAYS TO 500 HP SO WHAT IS IT CAN YOU GUESS NOPE
Scat 9000™ Series crankshafts are manufactured from an exclusive Space Age cast steel material that was designed for high strength and fatigue resistance. The 9000™ Series cranks are 25% stronger than stock OEM cast cranks and are the best value you will ever find. The Scat crankshafts are in our opinion the best way to build a strong bottom end for your, street rod, dirt circle track racing, and drag strip racing performance engine.
Scat 9000™ Series Crank Features:
  • Made from an exclusive Space Age cast steel material for strength
  • No more hassles with poor quality OEM crankshaft cores
  • Knife edged counterweights
  • Straight shot oil holes for improved high RPM oiling
  • Precision ground and micro polished. RPM Rating: to 7000 RPM
Horsepower rating for this crank is approx. 500
We have this setup for 1pc. rear main seal engines, see our other
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and shady i have the voice mails straight from mr shady him self .... so facts are there any more u need let me know ... i see u dont ask the guy about the cam so im sure your straight from mr white .... just a guess AND THATS THE WAY I TYPE ... HAVE A GREAT DAY ...............
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SHADY COMPANY AND OWNER SKIP WHITE LIKES TO CUSS WOMEN AND EVEN SCREAM AT 15 YEAR OLD EMPLOYEE

BOUGHT A ROATING ASSEMBLY THAT ENED UP FALSLY ADVERTISED.HE TOLD MY WIFE WE WERE 'HILLBILLYBITCHES AND TO **** OFF'

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Again here is my point, you made zero accurate claims to any failed parts, simply posted personal attacks and said something about false advertising.

Few more pieces of advice here. STOP USING ALL CAPS! use spell check and calm down. You are on a National Board one where Skip was a sponsor. If you have a failed part, then post facts show pictures of the failure, and build your case. If all you have to say is you dont like Skip and the horsepower listed for a part isnt what you feel it should be then get over it. You have yet to post what your specific beef is.

If something Skip said or did, caused you a failure, or he pormised something he didnt stand behind than post that info, not the crap you keep listing.
Greg you are making your self look ignorant and bitter.

If you have a real case to post it should go something like this:


I bought this part {insert part here}, said part was listed to hold this quality{insert hp rating or disputed value}. This part did not meet the {insert hp rating or disputed value} as advertised.
Explain how the part failed, explain how through not possible fault of the user/installer/etc.. this part failed. Then post pictures of the failure and the nature of the use when it failed.
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Yet we still dont even know what happened here, you just keep posting crap in caps with ZERO facts as to what went wrong, just simply personal attacks. Post up details and proof (pictures) or shut up.
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here are the words SKIP WHITE used exactly in the ad...............

The Scat Crankshaft is far superior to any of the cast nodular cranks on the market in our opinion. If you do a search on this, you will find this crankshaft to be far more expensive than any cast nodular steel crank on the market.
Here are some of the benefits of the Scat crankshaft,
Scat 9000 Pro Series Features
  • Aero-Wing counterweight design increases horsepower by reducing windage
  • Straight shot oil holes
  • Stress-relieved and shot-peened
  • Precision ground and micropolished
  • Cast from Special Space-age 9000 Material that is stronger than O.E.M Cast
  • Designed after there Custom Billet cranks
  • Small Block Rated to 600 Max HP

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I have stated facts and my beef is product was stated to be 'ONE' thing and was another. My typing doesnt matter it is the fact that Mr white falsley advertised the product. no bashing just facts. explain to me where i am wrong. what about the guy with camshaft beef,how come your not asking him for pictures? why is skip no longer a sponsor? why is it ok for him to bad mouth me and post video recording insulting our integreity........are you going to ask mr white questions as well? fair is fair. i have filed with better business bureau. if it is misprinted he should take product back no problem like a true business man would do and correct his mistake but he is clearly out for blood. not a resolution.
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do you see the 600 hp part????


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here are the words SKIP WHITE used exactly in the ad...............

The Scat Crankshaft is far superior to any of the cast nodular cranks on the market in our opinion. If you do a search on this, you will find this crankshaft to be far more expensive than any cast nodular steel crank on the market.
Here are some of the benefits of the Scat crankshaft,

Scat 9000 Pro Series Features
  • Aero-Wing counterweight design increases horsepower by reducing windage
  • Straight shot oil holes
  • Stress-relieved and shot-peened
  • Precision ground and micropolished
  • Cast from Special Space-age 9000 Material that is stronger than O.E.M Cast
  • Designed after there Custom Billet cranks
  • Small Block Rated to 600 Max HP

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do you see the 600 hp part????
I see "APPROX. 500hp & "600hp MAX." I have no problem understanding those 2 terms. Do you?

I also see that one description say PRO SERIES & the other does not. Possibly 2 different cranks in the 2 different ads. How about links to the actual ads vs us just reading what you are posting as the ads?

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yeah which is it.......... 500 is down below , it is 500 or 600?
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even scat never never states 600 hp for that crank...false adver
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maybe 600 hp once
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yeah which is it.......... 500 is down below , it is 500 or 600?
why do you care? if you are building a motor in the HP range why wouldnt you be running a forging?

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even scat never never states 600 hp for that crank...false adver
again any engine builder making decent power is using a forged unit, not a cast crank...

I have 1st hand running a cast crank, making upwards of 500hp, did so for several years on my 1st build, a good portion of any reliable motor is the prep and attention to detail when assembling. If you have a failure post the details...

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maybe 600 hp once
same point over and over....

Over and over again you have some complaint but no details on why this applies to you.

did you have a crank failure Greg? If so post the details, if not stfu
If not then what the hell is this post about?

if your crank failed, and you were indeed making anything upwards of 500hp, its your own fault for buying a cast unit. period.


anything "rated" to any level is not rated for continous use at that level, its a "peak" just like speakers, or tires etc.... you dont buy a 10watt speaker if your intent was to push more power than that do you? Same with tires, a tire rated to 149mph wont last long at that speed, you see the point here?

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why do you care? if you are building a motor in the HP range why wouldnt you be running a forging?

again any engine builder making decent power is using a forged unit, not a cast crank...

I have 1st hand running a cast crank, making upwards of 500hp, did so for several years on my 1st build, a good portion of any reliable motor is the prep and attention to detail when assembling. If you have a failure post the details...

same point over and over....

Over and over again you have some complaint but no details on why this applies to you.

did you have a crank failure Greg? If so post the details, if not stfu
If not then what the hell is this post about?

if your crank failed, and you were indeed making anything upwards of 500hp, its your own fault for buying a cast unit. period.


anything "rated" to any level is not rated for continous use at that level, its a "peak" just like speakers, or tires etc.... you dont buy a 10watt speaker if your intent was to push more power than that do you? Same with tires, a tire rated to 149mph wont last long at that speed, you see the point here?

you do not understand WE DID NOT INSTALL this junk yet. our racer cannot run forged. that is why genius.

again how come you are not asking about the guy with camshaft?

here is another false ad from him.........rods ordered---got part # PC4102 and as per stan at procomp (CHINA ROD)the rods will handle max 450HP...so where am i wrong. i dont need to agrue with you because you are going to get his advertising dollars and shut me up anyway. thanks and have a wonderfully idoitic day. stare at the facts. how were we to know what was exact pbecause he is a pro at ripping people off. hope he doesnt get other racers.i have no worries i have proof.as we see you have shut people up before but there are plenty of other sites to place this on. i stated my real name not some cover up.

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I've read these post over a number of times and I'm sorry, I still don't get what the problem is. Did you have a crank fail in an engine that was under 600HP? Are you afraid that it may fail? Did they not try to make it right? If a part failed, please post some pictures. You keep going on and on about false advertising. Please explain what is falsely advertised and why you feel that it is. I'd like to be on your side, especially if you've been wronged, but you need to explain how you have been wronged. If you have the wrong combination of parts and haven't used them why can't you return them?
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well we have not installed the parts the parts were rated at 600 for the crank and rated at 550 for the rods but when i check the parts when i got them they are not what they advertised so when my wife called mr white... he started screaming aand so i got on the phone .... no one yells at my wife .... so hope this helps thanks for your time greg dinsmore
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why do you care? if you are building a motor in the HP range why wouldnt you be running a forging?

again any engine builder making decent power is using a forged unit, not a cast crank...
I disagree with that statement. Forged internals are nice, but I would really only seriously consider them for a nitrous or boosted motor. Forged parts are heavier, meaning more balancing involved and a heavier rotational assembly. This could possibly effect RPM as well. There is really no need for a forged setup on an all motor engine unless you want big numbers, like 750+ HP. As long as you have a well balanced rotating assembly and the engine was assembled correctly, I see no reason you couldn't get away with cast parts.

Now if Greg did in fact have nitrous or boost on his application, then I don't know why he would go with a cast crank in the first place. An engine needs to be built for what your intentions are with it. You can't go skimping on the parts or the balancing and expect it to last. This sounds more like a case of user error to me in all honesty. I'm sure Skip White would take the crank back if you have not installed it. Whats the big problem here?

And for what it's worth....I would NEVER assemble any bottom end with pro comp junk. That sounds like a budget build, and those ussually don't end up too well. I would go with GM pink rods over procomp rods any day.
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i did not install it only looked at part numbers on the box ...it would be like selling someone a 3500 pickup and giving them a 1500 and it wouldnt matter the deal ..the guy found it on e bay ...the crank is good to 500they make different stages of the 9000 crank and just like kirk said this is the bottom of the barrel thanks for your time ... good luck on your project .. i know how they go ,,,
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i did not install it only looked at part numbers on the box ...it would be like selling someone a 3500 pickup and giving them a 1500 and it wouldnt matter the deal ..the guy found it on e bay ...the crank is good to 500they make different stages of the 9000 crank and just like kirk said this is the bottom of the barrel thanks for your time ... good luck on your project .. i know how they go ,,,
You've got to tell your customer to stop shopping on ebay! Thats the first mistake.

I've screwed up buying "deals" like this in the past, and eventually you just have to bite the bullet and realize, you really do get what you pay for. Hope things work out with you and your customer in the end.

And thanks for the good luck. Have you owned/ridden in a turbo 5.3 car before? Just curious, because I honestly have not yet!
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This is the misses here:

we tried to work with white performance and told him repeatedly to send call tag for his parts, we do not want nor need this LOW quality parts. but when we tried to speak with skip white for return he said we would be lucky if we got our money back at all and proceded to call me names.we bought the better scat 9000 crank already and avoided disaster because Greg is not ignorant by any means at building engines.

I recall a 1966 Chevy nova with a 468 bb street legal 10 inch tire weighing over 3400 pounds running 9.32 seconds in the quarter mile--that HE built and beat on for many years with nitrous. he knows what he is doing and he is smart enough not to use these parts.he only wanted what his friend wanted ordered.fair is fair.

i appreciate your interest in the truth, racing is racing and parts fail but we dont build junk. i drove that nova to get groceries and myself ran 11 seconds no nitrous. my husband has been in racing for many years and knows this is not smart move to build junk.

we are proud people and we may be upset but sharing the information that he has falsely advertised parts (and continues to)protects our fellow racers in future vertures. he advertises the 9000 series is the one and only one available but just talked with scat again and part #9-10442 (we got) is stock lower rated and the 9000 series part #935010 is the better grade crank. this is the false advertising he wiggles away from telling the truth. we were not looking for the best crank ever or a 4340 they cant run forged parts. again here my husband is helping a fellow racer build an engine and this is what we get. so skip white is wrong when he says there is only ONE 9000 series crank.

yeh the ebay thing i agree with but he sells these packages all day long he says off his website.now we know who to avoid. -we have had good experiences with ebay with parts and currently just got a quality comp cam exactly as advertised for $138 bucks--bigger name companies wanted $196. i double checked part number -since this seller actually listed part numbers. with white performances advertising of horsepower rating and no part numbers its a guessing game and we all lose.

thanks for being so respectful to us and our situation.


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I've read these post over a number of times and I'm sorry, I still don't get what the problem is. Did you have a crank fail in an engine that was under 600HP? Are you afraid that it may fail? Did they not try to make it right? If a part failed, please post some pictures. You keep going on and on about false advertising. Please explain what is falsely advertised and why you feel that it is. I'd like to be on your side, especially if you've been wronged, but you need to explain how you have been wronged. If you have the wrong combination of parts and haven't used them why can't you return them?
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Does anyone know how to get ahold of them.....I called their local # and their toll free # and left at least 3 messages since Friday, and no call back yet....Does anyone have any thoughts on their Pro Comp 4340 H-beam rods....I see alot of good comments on them but nothing on their rods........any info would be greatly appreciated......
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so basically it sounds as though your customer bought parts off ebay (the location really doesn't matter, could have been a retail store etc...) you as the guy building the motor don't want to use the parts the customer bought. (what ever the reason may be it really doesn't matter). You tried to return the parts on behalf of the customer, however Skip didn't take them back?

If the customer bought parts, that were not compatible or you as the builder does not want to use, then it sounds like the customers problem. If The parts are non-returnable, then again, sounds like the customers problem. White performance sells a crap load of parts, they have pretty good feedback on sites and ebay. We don't know the terms of the sale, so we cant comment, but the way these posts have gone is beyond wrong.
Now that the entire story is out, it does not sound anything like Skips problem.
Clearly you folks owe them an apology for making such a big fiasco that really isn't.

What ever the story is on the return-ability of the parts, let the customer deal with it. Supply the parts you want to use and be done with this rant.

I am personally embarrassed for you. The amount of hostility this thread has carried all for what turned out to be an error on you/your customers part in buying parts you don't want to use is wrong.

I know tons of circle track racers that use skip whites products, even up here in MN, not a single one I know has had issues.
This whole thing has been blown out of proportion all over a lack of information.

If you had an argument with Skip over the return, its likely because of the same lack of information you posted here. I also get the notion you have a bit of hostility in the way you speak in person because it certainly shows that online.

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obv you cant read so go fly your kite somewhere else .... i have already won so its a dead horse enjoy yourself ...and you know what i have a super national champ here from iowa and hes never heard of skip white ....small world ....

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Im addressing a few different comments...

For what it's worth Howards is supposed to be legit, US-made , US quality hardware. Skip happens to sell them, dont get hung up on that. They've been around for 50 years and are pretty well known. SCAT on the other hand IS chinese... At least their parts are.

Regardless, Pro Comp stuff is iffy, and the absolute LAST PLACE I WOULD EVER PUT A PRO COMP PART IN MY CAR IS THE CONNECTING ROD. If there was ever a place to NOT SKIMP that is clearly it. You don't even have to go fancy with it, I just use stock replacement Scat I-beams with ARP bolts. But I would never run a Pro Comp rod....
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What about these look a like Comp Cams Magnum roller rockers? Should I buy a set? Would you buy them? http://www.skipwhiteperformance.com/...x?Item=RR-6003
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What about these look a like Comp Cams Magnum roller rockers? Should I buy a set? Would you buy them? http://www.skipwhiteperformance.com/...x?Item=RR-6003
I wouldn't buy those, but that is because they are not Self-Aligning & that is what I'd need.
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Clearly you folks owe them an apology for making such a big fiasco that really isn't. (I DONT THINK SO SPARKY)

If you had an argument with Skip over the return, its likely because of the same lack of information you posted here. I also get the notion you have a bit of hostility in the way you speak in person because it certainly shows that online.

I hate wanabee type Police (no caps) @$$ clowns. (sorry had to get that off my chest!. He can type anyway he likes.. !!(THIS IS NOT A POLICE STATE YET)

and you have No clue Mr jwdomine. why a seller would not take back somthing he Past off. to a buyer!

if its off ebay. use the buyer plan. and make a stink!

if you used your Visa. also make a stink. the most you will end up with is paying to ship the parts back. they dont have to take them! you just need to ship them! and have proof!! Visa will return your funds. works for me every time!! 100%.
(i drop about $1000 a month on ebay some times. and have never been ripped off)
did get stuck with a oil cooler. thing is. WOPPING BIG!! Nascar thing. thats my goof!
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ON A SIDE NOTE:

putting a tag on a part with any Hp rating is weak at best.
iv seen parts let go under 2000 rpm. in the drive way.
with 5 years and 100 1/4 mile runs on then under 5800 rpm
like pink rods! nothing big about them. just a name folks
that some GM clown stuck on them!

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I wish That I never ordered from that skip white company the sent me a bunch of incorrect parts. I placed a order for a top end kit for my sbc and half of the parts that came in were ford and some parts were missing altogether! It took them over a month to fix my order and i'm still missing head gaskets to this day. They couldn't answer any of my technical and still don't answer my emails.. And i know that they are getting them. Now i'm only doing business in my town and surrounding areas. I think these smaller companies deserve my hard earned cash a little bit more.
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Hands down dealing with skip white performance has turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes in my life. i ordered a 406 from them for about $6500

first they sent out a motor that was so badly packed it showed up full of saw dust in the valve are and intake they took it back and cleaned it up and sent it back.

then when i got it back it had the wrong heads, rocker arms and carb on it.

so they sent me the right parts and told me to fix it my self.

so i did and even though i followed their instructions exactly and tuned it to their exact specifications it was never right.

i sent it back to them and they tried to charge me over $2000 to rebuild it having provided no proof of what was wrong it has been 3 weeks and i still havent gotten back my motor.

i suggested they buy it back from me and they offered $3100 which is ridiculous.

so i told them if they wouldnt send me back a running motor or give me back my money that they at a bare minimum send me back all my busted up parts which still hasnt happened i had to file a police report and i am currently having my lawyer file a law suit

everytime you talk to them they change the rules or the story it is complete joke of a company be warned stay away they build crap motors that dont make the power promised and dont last
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Hands down dealing with skip white performance has turned out to be one of the biggest mistakes in my life. i ordered a 406 from them for about $6500

first they sent out a motor that was so badly packed it showed up full of saw dust in the valve are and intake they took it back and cleaned it up and sent it back.

then when i got it back it had the wrong heads, rocker arms and carb on it.

so they sent me the right parts and told me to fix it my self.

so i did and even though i followed their instructions exactly and tuned it to their exact specifications it was never right.

i sent it back to them and they tried to charge me over $2000 to rebuild it having provided no proof of what was wrong it has been 3 weeks and i still havent gotten back my motor.

i suggested they buy it back from me and they offered $3100 which is ridiculous.

so i told them if they wouldnt send me back a running motor or give me back my money that they at a bare minimum send me back all my busted up parts which still hasnt happened i had to file a police report and i am currently having my lawyer file a law suit

everytime you talk to them they change the rules or the story it is complete joke of a company be warned stay away they build crap motors that dont make the power promised and dont last

I see this stuff then I don't see a NEG on eBay for it.

I think you have like 90 days to leave feedback.

Also the only 406 I see comes dressed with valve covers intake and carb. It about the price you posted. How was sawdust inside a complete, assembled engine?

I wont buy from him because you can tell by his copyright he does not pay attention to detail. Not a good trait for a business man.
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I would say from the posts above that it's not the greatest idea to deal with them on complete engines or anything that has to do with a machine shop. But I will totally defend them on their individual parts they sell in their Ebay store. Every time I've ordered small stuff from them on Ebay, they've shipped it really fast, and answered all my emails very promptly. I bought an aluminum water pump a couple of years ago, and it's still working great. My latest purchase was a new HEI distributor with the mechanical tach drive for Corvette. It comes with the clear cap, which I've always thought looks way cheesy, so I asked them if they could give me a black or red cap instead, black being my preference. They answered me back very promptly, and I received the distributor within a week of purchasing, and it came with the black cap instead of clear. So while I've never dealt with their machine shop, or bought a complete engine, you really can't go wrong with buying individual parts from them. The price, communication, and shipping are all great! From what I've read on here, the machine shop is ran by a different group of people than the Ebay store, so that probably explains the difference in service. Oh yeah, almost forgot, I also bought a set of their stainless steel, full roller rocker arms, which are knockoffs of the Comp Cams Pro Magnums. I only spent about 120 bucks for them, which is less than half the price for the Comps, and I've had them on my motor for 3 years now with no issues at all.
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