i recently got my MSD 6AL and new plug wires. I posted the pic on the "appearance" section of this board, and an MSD employee came upon it and wrote me an email telling me that it looked good. Well, I had a wire that was short (not MSD's faoult...the way I routed the wires, it was just too short) and I told him about it, making a joke. I also mentioned that it didn't come with a coil wire (again - it wasnt supposed to come with a coil wire...not MSD's fault). Well, 4 days later, I went to the mailbox and there was a 34" plug wire, and a 10" coil wire. Needless to say I was amazed. I have NEVER had this kind of experience with a company before. Also, I have called MSD many times to ask questions about random stuff and they were really helpful every time. They have HANDS DOWN the best service I have ever seen. Not to mention that their products are top notch quality. Anyone that has ever used an MSD product can tell you about teh quality. I would suggest MSD over any other ignition company out there solely based on their customer service. They are truely a great company that is working FOR us, not against us (Holley comes to mind about a company with TERRIBLE customer service...but thats a whole other story). If anyone has doubts about whether or not to purchase MSD stuff, service after the sale should NOt be a concern. They have me sold on future purchases. -Brian ------------------ 1991 Camaro RS - Ultra Blue Metallic, T-Tops ---------------------------------------------- GM 350 HO Crate Engine - Vortec Heads, Edelbrock Performer Vortec Intake, Holley 670 CFM Throttle Body, Open Air Cleaner w/14"x3" K&N, SLP 1 3/4" Stainless Headers, Edelbrock Victor Series Water Pump, MSD 6AL, Blaster Coil, 8.5mm Super Conductors, Accel Cap and Rotor, Hypertech Fan Switch & Thermomaster Chip, AC Delco Rapidfires, 3" Cat Back, Flowmaster 40 Series Muffler 700R4 - 2,400 Stall Converter, Vette Servo, Shift Kit, B&M Super Cooler GM 10 Bolt -coming soon Auburn Pro Series Differential, Richmond 3.73s Brian's 1991 RS Central NY F-Body Association Join the Third Generation F-Body TBI Web Ring z28boy@twcny.rr.com IM name: Z28 Boy

Z28BOY,
After reading your email I just have to reply about Holley. I contacted them on a carb that had a cracked bottom plate. The carb wasn't old at all, less than a year. Anyway, they told me to send it back. To do this they instructed to make sure there was no gas smell, package it completely in bubble wrap to avoid damage in shipping. Well they fixed it and sent it back with no bubble wrap so the carb bounced around like crazy. I was so upset at the customer service....great carbs bad service.

I agree. MSDs service is top notch. Joe (one of the techs), oftens posts on thirdgen.org

I have had my MSD6AL for one year so far. It has performed excellent.

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91 Formula
305 TPI 5speed
1LE/G92/WS6
Cold air ind. w/K&N, SLP airfoil, ported/polished plenum, March pulleys, TB coolant bypass,Crane AFPR(43psi),Crane Gold 1.6rrs,MSD coil,MSD6AL, Holley 9mm wires, fastchip, Bosch O2sensor, SLP headers & catback,short shifter,3:73s w/Auburn posi,160* t-stat,JET 195* fan switch, Macewen white face gauges, Autometer gauges, Zoom hi-performance clutch.

yeah, joe is the guy that helped me out. he's really willing to help with whatever you need.

-brian

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1991 Camaro RS - Ultra Blue Metallic, T-Tops
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GM 350 HO Crate Engine - Vortec Heads, Edelbrock Performer Vortec Intake, Holley 670 CFM Throttle Body, Open Air Cleaner w/14"x3" K&N, SLP 1 3/4" Stainless Headers, Edelbrock Victor Series Water Pump, MSD 6AL, Blaster Coil, 8.5mm Super Conductors, Accel Cap and Rotor, Hypertech Fan Switch & Thermomaster Chip, AC Delco Rapidfires, 3" Cat Back, Flowmaster 40 Series Muffler
700R4 - 2,400 Stall Converter, Vette Servo, Shift Kit, B&M Super Cooler
GM 10 Bolt -coming soon Auburn Pro Series Differential, Richmond 3.73s
Brian's 1991 RS Central NY F-Body Association
Join the Third Generation F-Body TBI Web Ring
z28boy@twcny.rr.com IM name: Z28 Boy

yeah I like their service my first digital six burnt up and they replaced it no q's

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Heartburn with MSD wires....

My experience with MSD service is absolutely top notch. But there is a problem with their wires, more specifically, their boots.

I'm running SLP stainless headers. I have a set of MSD's, because I was (and am) a huge MSD box fan (Great experiences with 5, 6 and 6A's) and the boots (90 degree) turned to the consistency of silly putty in a very short time. (200 miles?)

This set was a little steep ($70) so I contacted MSD, and, as mentioned they came thru in spades, sending out a complete set of boots and clips.

I reinstalled the boots, and I'll be damned if the same thing didn't happen again.

Both me and my bud are running strokers, My distributor is the standard electronic GM type, his is the coil-in-cap with a 6A on a 70 Elky. He's running Flowmaster headers (I think) and he had the exact same experience with his MSD boots.

I said the heck with it, and bought a set of 8 MM Accel U-Cuts for $20 and haven't had a problem since. Neither has my runnin' bud with his Elky after he switched to Accels.

Go figure.

Kage

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87 Z28/89 vette 383 ported-TPI roller cam/ported and polished heads/700R4/vette OEM 2K TC/MSD 6A/Accel/SLP stainless headers/edelbrock cat back/Optima/TTops/Alpine/an angry squirrel.

72 Pinto Wgn Version 3.0 /85 5.0L HO/AOD/MSD/ lowered/Shaved/Tinted/Optima/WHITE

[This message has been edited by Kage86TA383 (edited February 21, 2001).]

my msd6al fried my coil and left me without a car for a weeken a while back...what could be done?

I had the same prob with the 8.5 super conductors. I run SLP 1-3/4 and the boots just disentigrate into rubber powder. Kinda p/o'ed 'cuz the wires are still good and replacement boots are $20+

Guys, I do have personal dealings with the SLP headers and our wires on a friends car. We(my friend and I) have not had any problems at all. I know your going to say that is what the manufacture is going to say but that is the truth. I have run across applications(headers in general) that the EGT's are high enough that they do melt them. That is what sounds like is happening on a few of your cars. If you e-mail me with an address and a note in the subject line it is off of the Thirdgen page I will mail you out some very high temperature boots that will not melt. These are very easily changed by just pulling them off and using some dielectric grease or silicone spray on them and slide the boot back on. When you pull the wire end off the terminal will not come off guaranteed. I know how something like this is a pain in the a*#, but we do want to fix problems when they occur. The majority of us here in service have either street cars or race cars or both and know what it is like to spend your money on parts. If something happens are just like you and want to get it taken care of and not just be out the money we have spent. Trust me that is not what we want. On the coil that failed, is it an MSD coil? FYI, the box would not have fried your coil, the coil may have failed but the box will not take it out. Let me know some more information on this and I will be happy to help get it taken care of.

Thanks,

Joe
MSD tech

[This message has been edited by MSD tech (edited February 19, 2001).]

[This message has been edited by MSD tech (edited February 19, 2001).]

Im glad MSD is helping out its loyal customers but how cheap r they for not including a coil wire in the $60.00 plug set in other word i got to go out of my way and get what is it?10-20 dollar coil plug. Looks like MSD has one flaw..

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods msd 8.5 mm wires hypertech coil and plug, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 ich force II flowmaster exhaust system.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

vortech305,

If the original set included a coil wire the will be one in our set. If the set you purchased was for an internal coil set up then the wire was not included. Give me the part number you purchased and I will let you know if one was supposed to be included or not. On our direct replacement sets, we put the same number wires as was on the original application. If you had an application that used an external kit and ordered an internal kit there is not one included. This is generally not a problem, we get calls all the time that say my kit has no coil wire, we explain what and why and normally send the wire out at no charge.

Joe

MSD tech,
The part# is 01213135-9. I got this order from Jeggs and if the plug set does not come with the coil how much do they go for cause believe it or not the next speed shop near me is about 40 miles away and i dont plan on driving down there. Guess i might have to wait another week to get the coil plug from summit Or GRACIOUSLY BY MSD.

Did i mention i like your products

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods msd 8.5 mm wires hypertech coil and plug, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 ich force II flowmaster exhaust system.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

yeah just so everyone knows, my wire set wasn't supposed to include a coil wire. i knew this before i bought it, i just planned on getting one later or just suing the accel one that i had.

it was my fault that i was short that wire, not MSDs.

just wanted to clear that up if anyone misunderstood.

-brian

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1991 Camaro RS - Ultra Blue Metallic, T-Tops
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GM 350 HO Crate Engine - Vortec Heads, Edelbrock Intake, Holley 670 CFM TB, Edelbrock Water Pump, March Pulleys, MSD 6AL, Blaster Coil, 8.5mm Super Conductors, Cap and Rotor, Rapidfires, Hypertech Fan Switch & Chip, SLP 1 3/4" Stainless Headers, 3" Cat Back, Flowmaster 40 Series
700R4 - 2,400 Stall Converter, Vette Servo, Shift Kit, B&M Super Cooler
GM 10 Bolt -coming soon Auburn Pro Series Differential, Richmond 3.73s
Brian's 1991 RS Central NY F-Body Association
Join the Third Generation F-Body TBI Web Ring
z28boy@twcny.rr.com IM name: Z28 Boy

vortech305,

E-mail me directly at msdtech@msdignition. I need the length and boot ends you need so check that and measure that before hand.

Brian, I received your page, and just read the e-mail you sent earlier. I was at the NHRA event working and one of the other guys answered you. If your boots have not failed, don't worry about them. It is not every one that has a problem so if yours are ok so far they should be fine. If not shoot me your information directly and I will get you taken care of. By the way nice page.

Thanks,

Joe

MSDTECH,

I have a question?

Is it ok to mount a MSD 6 series box in the engine compartment, i found a place next to my battery, but now my btm controller wires are to short, can i get a part# for the plug terminals, so i can go to my local terminal supply company and get some new ones to make a longer harness.

Thanks
larry

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MÅN¡ÅÇ ©
88 IROC 5.7L,edelbrock TES,random tech cat,borla exhaust,chip,sfc,accel wires,airfoil,k&n's,ETC..
and NOW supercharged!!!
http://maniac.megamania.com

maniacc,

The unit will work fine in under hood conditions. If you are talking about the boost knob wires, the end is just a standard GM weather pack. You should be able to pick those up at radio shack or an electronic supply. If you can find them drop me a line.

Thanks,

Joe

MSDTECH,

Alot of people told me not too install the unit in the engine bay, because of the heat, I had no choice, plus i have a perfect place, right next to the battery, mounted on the right side fender.

Why didn't MSD include some 1/8" vacuum/boost line with the unit?

Thank you for the reply, i feel much better about my new MSD 6BTM....aahhhh!!!!

later
larry

Larry,

We do not just due to the fact where you tap in to the intake determines how long of hose needed. If you need 4 feet and we supply two its does you no good. I don't know if that is a good answer but that is basically what I was told.

Thanks,

Joe

MSD tech sorry just had to take care of some business. Now u need me to email u the length of what wire? Is it the coil wire? sorry im just a little under the weather.

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods msd 8.5 mm wires hypertech coil and plug, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 ich force II flowmaster exhaust system.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

msd teach? is it ok to put a msd 6al in the cab of a firebird(like where the computer used to be!!!!!???) just curious because i ordered one and am going to install it and was wondering about in the inside is it safe to put it in there??

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1989 firebird formula

Mods: converted from T.B.I. to a carburator 305 to a 350. Flowmater exhaust,hedman shortie hedders,202 160 (882) heads,.447/.447 lift 222@.050 duration speed pro 327/350hp cam 350 .40 over (356) edlebrock performer rpm intake and a 600 edlebrock manual choke (1405) Proform H.O. distributor slightly revised 700r-4

Future mods comp extreme energy roller cam, world products sportsman 2 heads, msd 6al ignition, billet distributor, blaster 2 coil and a 406 engine is in the works soon!!!!

[This message has been edited by burnoutrpm (edited February 26, 2001).]

vortech305,

You mentioned needing a coil wire. E-mail me with the length of the wire and I will get one out to you.
burnoutrpm,

That is fine. Do not mount it in a sealed compartment like the glove box or center counsel but under the dash is fine. Keep in mind that the unit may hum or buzz slightly, so if you hear it everything is normal. Sorry for not responding sooner to these but we have been swamped here at work and I have not had a chance to go through any of the sites I normally do.

Thanks,

Joe

A thanks goes out to Joe @ MSD for sending me new boots. Can't recieve service like that these days. Thanks again.



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'88 Camaro RS 2.8L
'88 Formula 350 (Too many mods to list...)

MSD Tech,
Sorry to bother u and believe me i appreciate all your help but i have one more question. My friend has this worked 355 ci motor and hes bought every MSD parts including distributor, cap&rotor,wire plugs,coil and the coil plug and MSD box 6AL.he changed .80 in the spark plugs(dont ask me why) he tried to pull the MSD wire of the second spark plug the boot came out and cracked. Is it possible to send me one single wire or i can give u his adress.

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

No problem e-mail me his address and the wire length and boot ends and I will get it out to him.

Thanks,

Joe

thank u msd tech hes gonna give me the length and ill email it to u . thank u. by the way did u get my email

MSD TECH
I've had 2 6BTM's on my car, the first one just quite, I sent it back and received another and washed the motor then this one quite. I didn't send this one back but I bought a 6AL and had no problems even when washing. Is there something different about 6BTM's. This was about a year and half ago so I was thinking about sending it in for repair. Is there a flat rate fee for repair or does it depend on what is wrong.

Thanks
Greg

In house time is 8-12 and maximum charge is $55.00. We will ship it back UPS COD or you can put it on a credit card if you prefer. The units are basically the same with the exception of the additional board for the BTM. They are both coated the same and are water resistant not water proof. If you do wash the compartment treat it like the distributor and try not to spray it directly. make sure the silver backing plate is angle slightly toward the ground this way if any water gets in it, it drains out. The address is:
MSD Ignition Attention Repair
12120 Ester Lama Dr Dock 5
El Paso, TX 79936
make sure that you include a good return address and phone number along with a note.

Thanks,

Joe

MSD Tech:
I am ready to buy the MSD 6A ignition kit along with some wires. I want to make sure i get good wires which will not melt under my new 1 5/8 slp headers (they're not coated). I am willing to buy all this through you if you get commission, since you seem so helpful on this board. If you are not into sales, can you please give me the part number of the wires that i will need and i will probably buy them through jegs or summit. Thank You.

Sir,

The number on the wire set is 31839. Like I said up towards the top of this I have not had problems, so I would not worry about it. If you do have anything pop up, we will be here to take care of it. This is the direct replacement as far as lengths for your motor. I am not on commission, just here for tech. It would be less expensive through one of our dealers definitely. If you are installing the box also, spend the extra couple bucks and get the 8876 harness. this make the installation a direct plug in. This way the factory connectors do not have to be cut and spliced.

Thanks,

Joe

Dear MSD Tech,
Im sorry to bother u but how long would it take for the coil wire to get delivered to my house. I assume its been a little bit more than a week and i still havent gotten it yet( i know have some patience). Just curious to know how long it would take for it to be delivered. right now its friday the 9th. thanks

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Flat top pistons,Bore over .30 Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners Home aid cold air induction, Air foil,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system, and a 3 inch cutout,Zoom multi friction clutch, T-5 tranny,billenstien shocks&struts.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
New paint job(hawaiin orchid purple)Cast alluminum ZR1 rims w/ 275 tires.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

I would say 4-5 days. The day I received the information from you I would have requested the wire. It would have been mailed the following working day. Let Me know if you do not see it in the next couple days and I will get another one to you.

Thanks,

MSD tech

MSD have the best ignition products. I love them!

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91 Formula
305 TPI 5speed
1LE/G92/WS6

Paxton SN92 polished kit, SLP airfoil, ported/polished plenum, March pulleys, Crane AFPR(43psi),Crane Gold 1.6rrs,MSD coil,MSD6AL (5200rpm limit),Holley 9mm wires,Ac delco R43ts plugs,stock chip,Ford SVO 24# injectors,Bosch O2sensor,SLP 1 5/8" headers,SLP catback,shortened shifter,3:73s w/Auburn posi,170* t-stat,JET 195* fan switch, Macewen white face gauges, Autometer gauges, Zoom hi-performance clutch.

MSD TECH, by the way I do have a question. I recently installed an MSD GMcoil along with my other MSD products (MSD6AL,MSDBTM). I have noticed above 3000RPMS, my RPMs are acting up.They hover back and forth, like "floating" almost. I believe it is the tachometer. Not the actual engine. What can i do to fix this problem?

[This message has been edited by theformula (edited March 12, 2001).]

To MSD Tech,
For some strange reason i didnt get it yet, its tuesday march 13. I checked and i gave u the right adress. Maybe the mail screwed up and sent it to someone else. I just hate to bother u and i could understand what a hassle it is. Sorry for the inconvienience.

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92' camaro
New 305 block TPI conversion, Flat top pistons,Bore over .30 Forged parts all around,Edelbrock intake,ported plennum,ported corvette alluminum heads, accel cam,52mm throttle bodie, SLP runners Home aid cold air induction, Air foil,ford SVO 19lb injectors,fuel regulator,cloys timing chain, comp alluminum roller rocker arms and pushrods MSD 8.5 mm wires, bosch plattinum plugs, hypertech cap & rotor and coil, Edelbrock TES headers, free flowing catalytic converter and a 3 inch force II flowmaster exhaust system, and a 3 inch cutout,Zoom multi friction clutch, T-5 tranny,billenstien shocks&struts.
Soon to come!!!
Procharger system 12lbs o boost.
New paint job(hawaiin orchid purple)Cast alluminum ZR1 rims w/ 275 tires.
Favorite quote: "where ever u go, there u are"

Other car;
1971 plymouth Duster
Mods:340,edelbrock victor jr. intake, 650 4 barrel holley, heddman headers,40 series dual flowmasters, cold air intake,4:10 gears, just got a new paint job and cragar rims with 315 tires in the back.
:Yeah its not a chevy but damn how many 71' dusters have u seen in the streets.

Sorry for the delay, I have been swamped and have not had a chance to search the sites. E-mail me with the address and I will send out another wire. It is not a hassle. The tach problem is fixed by one of two things. First with in about 11/2 feet of the coil there is a tach filter. It looks like a small 1 inch cube with a white wire going in and out. By pass this and it will work. If the filter is not there, you will need an 8910 tach adapter. this will go across the red and white of the box. This will also fix the problem. Let me know what you find.

Thanks,

Joe

anyone ever heard of magnecore wires? does anyone know if they are safe to use with a 6al, and an msd hei coil?

Thanks

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1986 Tans Am
T-tops
WS6 suspension
350 TPI motor
Bigger Cam
K&N airfilter
Race Built 700r4
top speed: not yet sure, been up past 140
*willing to race amy mustang around.... beat 'em before, not afraid to do it again...*