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Old 11-15-2009, 05:24 PM   #1
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Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

Has anyone ever used a carb, to make a throttle body?

It flows better and I can get one pretty cheap.

http://www.mez.co.uk/ms2.html


I was going to use a 454 TBI as a TB, but 750cfm vs 500.


Im pretty sure I cant use a IAC, and adverse effects from not using one?
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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

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Has anyone ever used a carb, to make a throttle body?

It flows better and I can get one pretty cheap.

http://www.mez.co.uk/ms2.html


I was going to use a 454 TBI as a TB, but 750cfm vs 500.


Im pretty sure I cant use a IAC, and adverse effects from not using one?

Well, you need a TPS at min.


An IAC? well. It depends. For a street car or a manual trans you probaly want an IAC for throttle following.. For a really radical off-road car, it might not matter that much.

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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

I think im going with an HSR, too much to make something work. While HSR is avail, and I have parts to use on it.

No need to reinvent the wheel.


But it would be interesting for someone to figure out how to do it though.

Someone has too know.
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I think im going with an HSR, too much to make something work. While HSR is avail, and I have parts to use on it.

No need to reinvent the wheel.


But it would be interesting for someone to figure out how to do it though.

Someone has too know.
There is a few HSR's for sale I noticed the other day on the classifieds forum for short money.. (like $500 or under with AFPR).. Not a bad deal.

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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

Well after finding this, I think im going to to run a carb TB.

HSR cost more then Im willing to spend, Since I cant use my TPI rails.

220 for a Single Plane, sounds good to me. LOL.
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Well after finding this, I think im going to to run a carb TB.

HSR cost more then Im willing to spend, Since I cant use my TPI rails.

220 for a Single Plane, sounds good to me. LOL.
$220 for a single plane with injector bungs and fuel rails??

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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

No, just the injector bungs, and intake.

Vortec single plane

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-226051/

Or

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PF...3/?image=large

Just need the injectors tapped.
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No, just the injector bungs, and intake.

Vortec single plane

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/SUM-226051/

Or

http://www.summitracing.com/parts/PF...3/?image=large

Just need the injectors tapped.
Ahh. Yeah.. I built a setup like that once before. Sticky at the top of this forum..

Honestly, it made more power than intakes I've spent over $1000 for..


Funny how that works huh?

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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

This is why I modified my TBI throttle body. It flows excellent, while maintaining the TPS and IAC, and it was cheap to do (under twenty dollars). I had this on a 400-SBC, then on my cousins 454-BBC, and it flowed more than enough air for both....



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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

HMMMMMMMMMMMM I Like that idea, but howd you mod the throttle blades? If I did that Id have to mode the adapter too (DUHH LOL)

Still wieghing options.
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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

Look for a TBI from a 454. has almost 2" throttle blades, + TPS & IAC. When you remove the injector pod I think it flows around 700 CFM. Cheap too.
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Look for a TBI from a 454. has almost 2" throttle blades, + TPS & IAC. When you remove the injector pod I think it flows around 700 CFM. Cheap too.

Just what I did, got one for free too.

Im just going to get a TBI adapter kit, and im set.
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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

if i used a carb as a throttle body or get a tbi throttle body, does this mean i can use the carb air cleaner?
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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

It's completely possible. Only difference is to add a TPS and cap off the fuel inlet. My setup doesn't even use an IAC, so it theoretically operates the same as a modded carb would. It is better/nicer to have an IAC, but not absolutely needed. I almost did this when I went to fuel injection, but the setup I'm using has less packaging issues and looks more correct.
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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

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This is why I modified my TBI throttle body. It flows excellent, while maintaining the TPS and IAC, and it was cheap to do (under twenty dollars). I had this on a 400-SBC, then on my cousins 454-BBC, and it flowed more than enough air for both....



This is very interesting. I came across the images while surfing the web. I see this is a very old post, but how has it worked out for you? Have you had it flow tested? I already have a 454 throttle body, but it looks like where you cut out had a couple passages, did that affect anything?
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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

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This is very interesting. I came across the images while surfing the web. I see this is a very old post, but how has it worked out for you? Have you had it flow tested? I already have a 454 throttle body, but it looks like where you cut out had a couple passages, did that affect anything...?
It worked very well. Never had it flow tested, but its still sitting in the garage though. The passage was epoxied shut by the throttle bores, but then re-drilled (redirected) underneath the throttle body to allow for the rear vacuum port to maintain its functionality. If you go this route, you of course do no want to grind the walls below the throttle plates, and when you make your cut, get it as straight as possible. You then use your two existing throttle plates to mock up your one piece throttle plate by measuring their distance while still bolted to the throttle shaft, and measuring your cut. Transfer that measurement to some sheet metal and make your cutout. Just keep testing it's fitment, and make the required trim where necessary until it fits the way you want it, then drill the mounting holes through it where it sits on the shaft. Once you have it the way you want it, coat it with whatever you'd like....
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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

There are alternative twin blade TBs out there. I have one here for a Magnum Dakota 5.9 that looks serviceable. Dual 48mm blades so it should flow like a stocker TPI TB or damn near it. Also has a TPS and IAC even though the resistances work out slightly different than a TPI. I'd be tempted to find a TPS that is GM to put on it and make it work.
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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

Check EBay for a 4 barrell Holley TBI unit. I think they came in 700 and 1000. Then remove the injectors and use unit only(remove sell injectors). Comes with IAC and TPS. Newer Holley units have sequential older not.

ps. I think my 7.4L TBI is about maxed out. 96 MAP at 1000 feet elevation.
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Re: Carb as a throttle body, anyone done it?

Not too sure what you call cheap, but here's our billet model, 100% USA made:


Probably more than you want to spend. We have models with and without TPS/IAC and with fuel rails if you want.

Up to 2000 CFM.

$650 for the billet

Under $400 for the cast at 750 CFM.
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