Firebird / Camaro carbon fiber hood - Page 2 - Auto Detailing and Appearance - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

Dale · 02-10-2003, 03:07 PM

87z, like I said, in a way, they are stronger. Their are also different grades of c/f. The hoods are usually made out of one that is the most "apperence" looking. Well that apperence one is usually a mid grade fabric, no the strong one. Also, the c/f hoods I have seen on euros at the shows, it was just the outter skin made of c/f, then the bottom was regular fiberglass, 1 to 2 layers of that. A reg fibglass hood has MANY layers of glass. So the combonation of few layers of glass, plus one apperence c/f is not strong at all. Then you also get into the different types of resin. Some are flexable, which is actually the best for a car, then have plates in the latch and hinge area. Its alot of techinal crap to get into. Like I said, in some ways they are stronger, if its built right. Most euros buy the cheap ones, they just want the look.

I spent a good 2-3 months researching this before I attempted to make a hood for my truck. I am buy no far an expert, but I did do alot of reading, and hunting.

87z28camaro · 02-10-2003, 03:11 PM

i say the ones around here have the cheap ones

, lol, do you know anyplace where you can buy a camaro one with a ram air style?? i think that'd be awesome

86IROCNJ · 02-10-2003, 03:12 PM

Most of the hoods you see on imports are like $300, off of ebay none the less! They will turn an orange/yellow color by the end of a year! Very cheap, and like mentioned above, they are fiberglass hoods, with a layer of carbon fiber on the top with a clear coat for "protection". As far as the hood bolts/pins go, i am under the impression that our hoods that 383tpi will make are direct replacements for our stock hoods and hardware, so yes, no hood pins, totally "factory" looking.

86IROCNJ · 02-10-2003, 03:15 PM

No carbon fiber hoods exist, in production, to my knowledge for our cars. That is the whole meaning behind the recent posts of this thread! To produce a few. So no, there are no SS style or ram air style cf hoods produced that you could get a hold of. If there are, most likely they are the cheap ones you see on your local imports! good luck

johnyIROC · 02-10-2003, 03:19 PM

German-Mostorsports made his own out of honeycomb CF. That might be a picture of his, I'm not sure.

Dale · 02-10-2003, 03:20 PM

Must be the cheapies, lol.

86iroc is right, forgot that part. If the wrong resin is used, it changes colors after a little over a year in the sun.
Even the good hoods, after several years of sun will change colors.

I have no connection on equipment, just what I learned and read off the net.

However, carboncomponets.com (I think thats them) were very nice and friendly thru emails, and fast shipping

TPl383 · 02-10-2003, 04:11 PM

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Originally posted by Dale
87z, like I said, in a way, they are stronger. Their are also different grades of c/f. The hoods are usually made out of one that is the most "apperence" looking. Well that apperence one is usually a mid grade fabric, no the strong one. Also, the c/f hoods I have seen on euros at the shows, it was just the outter skin made of c/f, then the bottom was regular fiberglass, 1 to 2 layers of that. A reg fibglass hood has MANY layers of glass. So the combonation of few layers of glass, plus one apperence c/f is not strong at all. Then you also get into the different types of resin. Some are flexable, which is actually the best for a car, then have plates in the latch and hinge area. Its alot of techinal crap to get into. Like I said, in some ways they are stronger, if its built right. Most euros buy the cheap ones, they just want the look.

I spent a good 2-3 months researching this before I attempted to make a hood for my truck. I am buy no far an expert, but I did do alot of reading, and hunting.

Kenny and I have over 30yrs Combines in Composits. I think we know what were doing.

As for the hood Its not gona be like the cheapies you have seen. They are gona be BOLT ON. as in all factory equip. No pin on. Unless asked for.
Yes there are diff. quality CF's out there and you get what you pay for. SOme of the CF is $140/ lb. others are not.

You want Strong... I can get Carbon/Kevlar mixes. even pure kevlar...

Dale · 02-10-2003, 07:21 PM

I was not doging your experience what so ever. I have no clue who you are or what you do/don't know. I was just informing people of the varitys of c/f and different ways it can be made from my research on the internet.

Kandied91z · 02-10-2003, 07:28 PM

i want an exact duplicate of my stock hood in every way possible; bracing underneath doesn't have to be "exact" but pretty close. the fit and finish must be exact to my hood as well.

it must be CF and nothing less as it must be strong and extremely lightweight over the stock steel.

i want to have the piece show up at my door ready for paint and bolting on the hood blisters....that's it.

if this can be done in a high quality way and not be way overboard in price then i have no problems with it.

count on at least 3 hoods for myself. again, i can't strees how important the stock form and fit is as well as the overall finish of the product. i do not mind paying for something that is worth it, but i won't pay that much for the cheaper imitations that are seen on the imports like described above.

89firechicken · 02-10-2003, 07:42 PM

is it possible to have the top half of the hood paintable and have the bottom half have the c/f look to it?

nolanr0413 · 02-10-2003, 07:50 PM

carbon fiber looks good on **** but not that good on a f-body. i would like to see what one looks like when its painted, but i guess that ruins the whole effect.o can anyone answer this question, i got a fiberglass hood and it wasnt perfect and you sand and fill it but how do you fix a carbon fiber hood ?

Kandied91z · 02-10-2003, 07:54 PM

you guys seem to be missing the point greatly.

the look of CF isn't why we want them. it's the lightweight and strength.

yes, if i had a black car or even a darker solid color i would want the CF look just for the heck of it.............well maybe just on a black car. but, i don't want that on my candy red car. i do want the strength and lightweight of it though.

those of you who are stuck on the "*****" ideas and what is and isn't "cool" need to grow up a bit and move on. this is either an idea your into or not, it isn't just for a certain "breed" of cars like imports or as some of you refer to as "****" vehicles....

so what kind of prices are you thinking.......7,8,900 give us an estimate.

86IROCNJ · 02-10-2003, 08:40 PM

About the question for fixing a hood, really nothing you can do once you have say, taken a chunk out of a corner! Fiberglass on the other hand, can be fixed easier if something like that were to happen. If you get scratches in it, there are ways to cover it up. I even heard you can protect some finishes with WD-40. Now, the reason i want one, i think it would look great with my color car, wheels, theme, ect. Plus the fact that they are not on every damn thirdgen, like cowl hoods. I am tired of the whole "me-too" concept of our cars. Time to try and be a little different, and if people don't like MY CAR, well then maybe some donations into my car's moddifications should be in order. I build my car the way i want it to be, end of story. I don't care what the Honda has down the street! About the strength issue, don't really know what the big deal is. If you get into some type of crash, that hood is done, no matter if it is built out of diamonds, the hardest element on this earth. Don't know why strength would be an issue in a hood besides the fact that fiberglass can be a little weak at times. My stock one has held up perfect for 17yrs. I just want one b/c i want one, not really too hard to explain IMO. To tell you the truth, i really want to see this get done, soon. Not trying to be pushy, just saying that i would like to see this get accomplished, and done right.

TPl383 · 02-10-2003, 09:16 PM

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Originally posted by Kandied91z
so what kind of prices are you thinking.......7,8,900 give us an estimate.

Ok, Under 900, I know that much. Still looking for good local sources for the CF.

I guess depending on who wants painted or glossy CF look can be worked out on orders.

As for the Under Hood bracking. I'll have to grab a stock hood again and look. Whats wrog with the Smooth inner side such as a aftermarket cowl as mine? reason I ask is because the inner of a stock hood looks lik eit will be a pita to make a b side mold out of.

Like I said I need to get the factory hood again to make a mod out of. So I'll know more then.

89firechicken · 02-10-2003, 11:06 PM

TPI383: is it possible to make the hood paintable on one side and have the carbonfiber look on the other

Kandied91z · 02-11-2003, 12:16 AM

reason i ask about the bracing is because of keeping a stock look.

not necessary but would be nice.

as for the normal fiberglass, i don't like the unfinished look that most underside versions have. i also agree that i would like the underside to have as much detail as the top. half the time i use my car the hood is up so it must look as good as the top.

like i said, i'm all for it but it must be good quality all around.....

TPl383 · 02-11-2003, 06:41 AM

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Originally posted by Kandied91z
reason i ask about the bracing is because of keeping a stock look.

not necessary but would be nice.

as for the normal fiberglass, i don't like the unfinished look that most underside versions have. i also agree that i would like the underside to have as much detail as the top. half the time i use my car the hood is up so it must look as good as the top.

like i said, i'm all for it but it must be good quality all around.....

I understanf the Wanting to look as stock as possable. but your car is prob far from stock now with the stuff your doing. A smooth show quality underside would be 10x easier to do then the little rip braces etc. as if stock looking.

I know exactally what you mean by you want Quality work. This is why If this deff. gets done Im gona hold the hoods to standards id want on My car. and What you would want on your car to show.

Gona call kenny back today and see what he has dug up on CF prices. He still works in the industry and is cheking to see what cost would be on materials.

86IROCNJ · 02-14-2003, 09:14 AM

TPl383 · 02-14-2003, 09:31 AM

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I havent forgot. I just work 6days a week 12hrs A day. Only day off is NOW(friday) and I have to wate till kenny is outa work around 4 to call.

86IROCNJ · 02-14-2003, 09:36 AM

Chris, i was not implying that at all! There was another member in the body and interior forum who had asked about carbon fiber hoods for camaros and i told him i would bring this thread to the top of this forum for him to look at. Or atleast that is what i said in my post in his thread. Sorry if it came off as being pushy, b/c i was not trying to be. Just trying to help out another member! So, did you get my emails with the pictures you requested? I sent them this morning. I too know how it is to be busy, with working overnights and going to school full time as well! Later-Bryan

TPl383 · 02-15-2003, 08:30 AM

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Originally posted by 86IROCNJ
Chris, i was not implying that at all! There was another member in the body and interior forum who had asked about carbon fiber hoods for camaros and i told him i would bring this thread to the top of this forum for him to look at. Or atleast that is what i said in my post in his thread. Sorry if it came off as being pushy, b/c i was not trying to be. Just trying to help out another member! So, did you get my emails with the pictures you requested? I sent them this morning. I too know how it is to be busy, with working overnights and going to school full time as well! Later-Bryan

Ohh sorry, I didnt mean that as I thought you were being pushy, I seen the other post asking about it also.

Yes I got the pic's Like you said kinda hard to tell how the under slide slope is. Try and find a pic from under it.

86IROCNJ · 02-15-2003, 04:27 PM

Still trying! I think i need to check out some specific magazines or something b/c there really is not much on the net as far as those specific pictures. I'll find them though for you. So, any new word? Don't worry, my wallet can wait, so take your time! lol Later

BeNnYBooPy · 02-15-2003, 06:53 PM

does carbon fiber shatter like fiberglass......cuz if it doesnt it would be sweet to get some CF t-tops

92Transam · 02-16-2003, 01:06 AM

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Originally posted by BeNnYBooPy
does carbon fiber shatter like fiberglass......cuz if it doesnt it would be sweet to get some CF t-tops

Umm they make drive shafts out of the stuff! If its good quality its stronger then just about anything you can put on your car but soooo much lighter.

RU-QWIK · 02-16-2003, 02:20 AM

86IROCNJ.... I found that picture on a Japanese website... Maybe that will help you.....?

TPl383 · 02-16-2003, 06:45 AM

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Originally posted by RU-QWIK
86IROCNJ.... I found that picture on a Japanese website... Maybe that will help you.....?

Naaaa, prob not. Were talking about grafting in a viper naca scoop in his hood. Kooking for pic's of the underside of one.

RU-QWIK · 02-16-2003, 11:38 AM

Oops...

In that case, get ahold of Lonsal , a member of this board, he had that same idea a while back and could probably provide some pics, no guarantees though. He is a member of the Southern California club......

86IROCNJ · 02-16-2003, 12:17 PM

Thanks for the help! I'll try to locate him. See if he has some pics of the underside. Thanks again-Bryan

83 Crossfire TA · 02-20-2003, 03:23 AM

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It's not so much that, well maybe for r i c e r s , but the lightness of it and it's toughness is unmatched from what I hear.

Light and rigid, yes. Tough, No. CF is very rigid compared to other FRP composites, but it’s extremely brittle compared to even normal fiberglass. In race cars it’s usually used for it’s rigidity, but where any real strength is needed it is either hybridized or laminated with normal fiberglass or armid (Kevlar). When you see an f1 or similar race car hit a wall and they’re talking about how strong the CF tub is in it it’s really the Kevlar reinforcement in key locations. At impact the CF is all the dust blowing away around the impact, it just disintegrates, and the Kevlar is the fiber that holds the parts together…

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