Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Auto Detailing and Appearance
Sign in using an external account
Register Forgot Password?

Auto Detailing and Appearance Tips and tricks on how to make your Third Gen shine! Get opinions on products or how something tasteful looks on your Chevrolet Camaro or Pontiac Firebird.

Welcome to ThirdGen.org!
Welcome to ThirdGen.org.

You are currently viewing our forum as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our community, at no cost, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features. Registration is free, fast and simple, join the ThirdGen.org community today!


Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 07-31-2009, 11:56 AM   #1
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Toledo, OH
Posts: 1,368
Car: 1982 Trans Am
Engine: SBC 400
Transmission: 700-R4
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt 2.77

Classifieds Rating: (1)
Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

I've been looking a spoilers for thirdgen firebirds and I always liked the 3 piece design from the second gens. The closest thing the firebird got was the '88 SAP spoiler, but was a one piece that actually looks like the 60's firebird spoiler. Then recently I saw some pics of the 4th gen 421 SD trans am made by the GM Performance division. They fabricated a sweet 3 piece design just like the second gen's so I was thinking why not one for the thirdgens. If I could come up with a way to make one, I would try...but don't have a lot of time. I read 2nd gens do not fit because the endcaps are too long, and the middle spoiler piece is too short. I don't think it would be hard to fabricate some pieces up from the original designs. Anyway, I did some photoshopping to see what a thirdgen would look like with a secondgen style spoiler. I think the results look sweet. I really wish we could get something like this made.

(ps. not my car, found it on the internet)
Attached Images
File Type: jpg BanditBack.jpg (302.1 KB, 520 views)
__________________
1982TA is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2009, 11:37 PM   #2
Member
 
thelastz28's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Victorville, CA.
Posts: 123

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to thelastz28 Send a message via Yahoo to thelastz28
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

That's a great looking spoiler.
__________________

| SLP headers | Magnaflow exhaust | MSD wires | Bilstein Sports | Eibach Sportlines | UMI panhard bar |
thelastz28 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 07-31-2009, 11:40 PM   #3
Supreme Member
 
BlueZee28's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: St Charles, MO
Posts: 5,456
Car: 1991 Z28 convertible built 3/1/1990
Engine: Cammed 6.0L LSX
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: custom Ford 8.8", 4.10 gears

Classifieds Rating: (20)
Send a message via AIM to BlueZee28
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

At first glance it looks a lot like a 2nd gen. I think the idea would be cool, it sure looks good in a photochop.
__________________
2nd Place Modified Camaro - ThirdGen Fest '11
LSX / T56 combo, 420rwhp 407 ft./lbs. custom Ford 8.8" with 9" axle tubes, 4.10's and Ford Racing Cobra diff, Moser axles, LS1 brake swap front and rear, Hawks 1 3/4" longtubes, forged internals, TSP MS4, LS6 intake, Spohn LCA's/torque arm/cross member/k member/subframe connectors, Alston subframe connectors, Hotchkis springs, poly motor/trans mounts & sway bar bushings/end links, Memphis Audio / Pioneer audio system, etc etc et
BlueZee28 is online now vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-02-2009, 11:48 PM   #4
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Brooklyn Center, MN
Posts: 24
Car: 86 Firebird
Engine: Buick 3.8 V6 Turbo
Transmission: 200r4
Axle/Gears: 3.42's

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

That looks awesome, Someone NEEDS to make one!

Wish I had the skills
__________________
86 Firebird - 3.8L V6 Turbo w/16lbs of Boost
Darth Satanis is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2009, 03:52 PM   #5
Senior Member
 
HCR13's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Augusta, Ga
Posts: 2,213
Car: 1987 Trans Am
Engine: 355ci L98 soon to be turbo'd
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 2.73 posi

Classifieds Rating: (5)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

there are rare Smokey and the Bandit Edition 3rd gens around. They are super rare, but they came with honey-comb style rims, a shaker hood (nonfunctional), wheel flares and a ducktail spoiler unfortunately the ducktail spoiler doesn't look quite as nice as that 'chop. Look for it around here, I've seen it before...
__________________
Mods so far: MSD Cap and rotor, MSD ignition coil, Accel 8.8mm ignition wires, Hooker Super Comp Shortie Headers, Flowmaster 3in catback, underdrive crank pulley, custom cold air intake, NOS wet 125 shot, air foil and a lead foot! no E/T's yet. ...TURBO COMING SOON...Other mods include keyless entry and remote start, and Sequential Turn Signals.
HCR13 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2009, 04:01 PM   #6
Senior Member
 
I H8 WWD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Posts: 2,142
Car: 89 IROC-Z
Engine: LO3
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt / 2.73

Classifieds Rating: (5)
Send a message via Skype™ to I H8 WWD
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

If the camaro and firebird/TA/ hatch is the same, couldn't you adapt a Hawks 5" or stock IROC 3 piece spoiler and fit it to your bird? I think only the 2 side 2 pieces would need modifications.

SOMEONE get this done for the BIRD's
__________________
-Wrong Wheel Drive-
The improper displacement of power to the front wheels.


"I'm not an Addict,
I'm just an OD'er"
I H8 WWD is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2009, 04:25 PM   #7
Banned
 
Stephen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Bertram (outside Austin), TX
Posts: 12,214
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi

Classifieds Rating: (12)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

It wouldn't look right, from the side.

The Camaros have a wrap around tail light, Firebirds don't. So on the sides, you'd have it sticking forward on the quarter panel, then a blank space behind it. 2nd gens got away with it, because they had wrap around tail lights like Camaros.

You could grab one off a Camaro to see, but the Firebirds are a bit wider, so even a 3rd gen Camaro one, wouldn't fit 100%.
Stephen is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2009, 04:46 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
I H8 WWD's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2006
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
Posts: 2,142
Car: 89 IROC-Z
Engine: LO3
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 10 Bolt / 2.73

Classifieds Rating: (5)
Send a message via Skype™ to I H8 WWD
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

I C. Hmm, well I know you guys can do it, I'd like to see more members in-house (TGO) making things for the rest of us.

-Take care guys, I'd like to see this happen.

P.S. My dream car is any year TA, so I got love just could not find one when I got my camaro and for the price and payment plan as well.
__________________
-Wrong Wheel Drive-
The improper displacement of power to the front wheels.


"I'm not an Addict,
I'm just an OD'er"
I H8 WWD is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2009, 06:43 PM   #9
Senior Member
 
FYRCHKN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bastrop, TX
Posts: 991
Car: 1988 RS Convertible
Engine: LT-1
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23 posi w/PBR's

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stephen View Post
It wouldn't look right, from the side.

2nd gens got away with it, because they had wrap around tail lights like Camaros.
The 79 I had didn't.




I can make one for our cars. But, how much would you be willing to pay for it?
__________________
1988 Drop Top RS... LT-1/700R4/3.23 1LE brakes all around behind polished Y2K's, 36/24mm sway bars, wonder bar, koni yellows, and a few other "goodies"
....still sporting trailer park 5 color paint for now.
88 RS vert build thread

Creator of the first steel Firebird heat extractor hood

Check out The ULITIMATE budget paint job
FYRCHKN is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2009, 06:46 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Kevman's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Windsor Ontario
Posts: 1,614
Car: 2010 Camaro SS
Engine: 6.2L
Transmission: TR-6060
Axle/Gears: 3.70

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

I want one.. Aslong as I don't have to drill any holes....
Kevman is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2009, 06:47 PM   #11
Banned
 
Stephen's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 1999
Location: Bertram (outside Austin), TX
Posts: 12,214
Car: 87 GTA
Engine: L98
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: Dana M78 3.27 posi

Classifieds Rating: (12)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

Why'd you hafta go & make a liar outta me?

I thought they did. Maybe that one would fit a 3rd gen good? Maybe only a little tweaking?

Quote:
Originally Posted by FYRCHKN View Post
The 79 I had didn't.




I can make one for our cars. But, how much would you be willing to pay for it?
Stephen is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-06-2009, 07:52 PM   #12
Senior Member
 
FYRCHKN's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Bastrop, TX
Posts: 991
Car: 1988 RS Convertible
Engine: LT-1
Transmission: 700R4
Axle/Gears: 3.23 posi w/PBR's

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

There is no chance an OEM 2nd gen spoiler would fit. The center section is way too narrow and the ends are made to fit a car that is way more rounded than ours. If you hacked it up and modified it there wouldn't be anything left of the original one.
FYRCHKN is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 01:38 AM   #13
Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
Posts: 160
Car: '89 Formula
Engine: 305 TBI

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

yes I know this thread is old, hopefully no one will mind. When my semester ends in 1 month I am considering trying to make a 2nd gen style spoiler and am looking for input. I am planning on trying to model it on the Z20 special appearance package. But for the third gens, do you think it would look better to have the side flairs continue down and around ( as on the 2nd gens)? Or does the Z20 package better follow the lines of the car? I lean towards the one piece, as the quarters on the 3rd gens are more vertical, and I think the side flares might be too extreme. Though the photoshop at the top of the page has me thinking...
my89 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 05:49 AM   #14
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Toledo, OH
Posts: 1,368
Car: 1982 Trans Am
Engine: SBC 400
Transmission: 700-R4
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt 2.77

Classifieds Rating: (1)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

Yes, please make this!! I've been wanting something like this for a long time. I've been trying to get someone to make something like this, but it seems every time someone thinks about doing it, it never happens. I really like the look of the 3 piece, and if it could be fabricated I think it would look sweet. the Z20 spoiler looks more like a 1st gen spoiler...it's still nice looking, but I think a 3 piece would be the way to go. Anyway, whatever you decide to do I would be very interested in getting one from you. Hopefully this wont fall through the cracks like so many others....
__________________
1982TA is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 07:31 AM   #15
Member
 
ncmail's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Brockport, PA
Posts: 110
Car: 89 FireBird
Engine: Working on 350 TPI swap
Transmission: Working on T5 swap
Axle/Gears: 3.42

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via Yahoo to ncmail
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

Quote:
Originally Posted by HCR13 View Post
there are rare Smokey and the Bandit Edition 3rd gens around. They are super rare, but they came with honey-comb style rims, a shaker hood (nonfunctional), wheel flares and a ducktail spoiler unfortunately the ducktail spoiler doesn't look quite as nice as that 'chop. Look for it around here, I've seen it before...
hey thats what my parts car in my garage is http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/me...sto-trans.html (89 Firebird Resto/Trans Am clone progress) see posts 15 and 20
ncmail is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 03-31-2010, 10:00 AM   #16
Member
 
strc09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Displaced Texan living in NC
Posts: 246
Car: 1988 Pontiac Firebird Trans AM GTA
Engine: Tune-port Injected 6.3L
Transmission: Borg-Warner T56 six-speed
Axle/Gears: Borg/Warner 9-bolt with 3.70:1

Classifieds Rating: (5)
Send a message via AIM to strc09 Send a message via Yahoo to strc09
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

If done right I think this would look great!
__________________
-Patrick

GTA: Grand Turismo Americano (Grand Touring America)
1988 Pontiac Trans AM GTA...yeah...not stock anymore.
1 of 930 1988 Gunmetal Metallic GTAs produced (87U)
See my CarDomain site: Code name: Vader or my TGO vBGarage
Built by Zeus Performance and tuned by Alvin at PCMforLess
strc09 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 04-02-2010, 03:47 PM   #17
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
Posts: 39

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

i have the ducktail spoiler


aaron0991 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 04-06-2010, 08:34 PM   #18
Senior Member
 
87bluebird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: middle of nowhere between farms in New York
Posts: 565
Car: 1987 pontiac firebird
Engine: blown 2.8v6 soon 6.5 turbo diesel
Transmission: junk700r4 soon t56/divorced np205
Axle/Gears: stock soon sts front and c4irs rear

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

in 1988 Pontiac did a special appearance package that had a one piece duct-tail spoiler

you could probably take a camaro hatch and just modify the sides of the wing to look like that. maybe just use the tops of the side pieces. it depends on whether or not you want the side flares. personaly i think it wouldn't look rite with the side pieces.
87bluebird is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2010, 03:06 AM   #19
Senior Member
 
87bluebird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: middle of nowhere between farms in New York
Posts: 565
Car: 1987 pontiac firebird
Engine: blown 2.8v6 soon 6.5 turbo diesel
Transmission: junk700r4 soon t56/divorced np205
Axle/Gears: stock soon sts front and c4irs rear

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

has anybody actually built something like this yet?
87bluebird is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 04-25-2010, 03:42 AM   #20
Senior Member
 
Stangski09's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: Edmonton, Alberta.
Posts: 590
Car: 1988 Pontiac Trans Am GTA.
Engine: 385 L31.
Transmission: 700R4 w/ 2400 stall.
Axle/Gears: 7 3/4" BW 9 Bolt w/3.27s.

Classifieds Rating: (5)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

I have never ever heard of that package. That's crazy cool.
__________________
1988 Trans Am GTA
Built 385 sbc
Built 700R4
Baer Track4 13" Front Brakes
YearOne 17" Snowflakes
Eibach Pro Kit
KYB GR2 Struts
UMI Suspension
Stangski09 is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 04-27-2010, 01:49 PM   #21
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: silverton/salem, oregon
Posts: 423
Car: 87 Trans am
Engine: 350 TPI
Transmission: built 700R4
Axle/Gears: BW 9 bolt posi w/ disc

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Send a message via AIM to Red87SC
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

I have been thinking about this for awhile now. I'm thinking about starting with a camaro 3 piece and almost hanging it off the back of the quarters on my trans am. Then I can tie it all in so it doesn't look "off". We will see what happens when it stops raining and I can pull out the fiberglass
Red87SC is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2010, 02:41 AM   #22
Senior Member
 
87bluebird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: middle of nowhere between farms in New York
Posts: 565
Car: 1987 pontiac firebird
Engine: blown 2.8v6 soon 6.5 turbo diesel
Transmission: junk700r4 soon t56/divorced np205
Axle/Gears: stock soon sts front and c4irs rear

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

i found pics of a 83 trans am on motortopia.com where the owner has modified a 2nd gen spoiler to fit.




__________________
my car she may be an ugly b*tch that always breaks down and empty's my wallet but i wouldn't trade her for anything!!

been doin half assed repairs for a while gonna start stripping her down and completely replacing everything soon. and convert her to a retro looking 4wd aws diesel bird.. gotta start by fixing the rust and get another car to drive while the birds apart
87bluebird is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2010, 03:02 AM   #23
On Probation
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Posts: 466
Car: 1989 Formula,1991 z28
Engine: 400 Vortec Hsr,496bbc
Transmission: TKO600,TH400
Axle/Gears: 9"4.10, 9"3.73

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

some things in certain generations, should stay in those generations lol

the only one i like so far, is the production firebird with the appearance package...

ive seen a few before in person
__________________
1989 Formula ws6, HSR vortec 400,TKO600,9" 4.10, little bit of spray/boost? 11.29@127 best E/T
1991 Z28, 496bbc,edelbrock perf rpm heads,TH400,3800 N20 vig converter,9" 3.73, Little bit of spray. ET in the spring!
89fbirdformula is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2010, 04:30 AM   #24
Member
 
JimmyDavidson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Manchester, TN
Posts: 254
Car: 1984 Camaro z28/SC
Engine: 355
Transmission: T56
Axle/Gears: 9bolt 3.89

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

The photoshop in the OP and the picture 87bluebird posted looks good. I think someone should tackle this either by making a custom one from fiberglass or by modifying an original one. And then post their progress.

Eventually, I'll be making my own version of the second gen camaro spoiler because the hawks version just doesn't appeal to me.
JimmyDavidson is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-19-2010, 05:18 PM   #25
Senior Member
 
87bluebird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2010
Location: middle of nowhere between farms in New York
Posts: 565
Car: 1987 pontiac firebird
Engine: blown 2.8v6 soon 6.5 turbo diesel
Transmission: junk700r4 soon t56/divorced np205
Axle/Gears: stock soon sts front and c4irs rear

Classifieds Rating: (0)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

heres a photoshop of a 5 inch spoiler on a bird i plan to make one like this when i retrofit the tail lights.


Last edited by 87bluebird; 08-19-2010 at 05:24 PM.
87bluebird is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2010, 01:39 PM   #26
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Toledo, OH
Posts: 1,368
Car: 1982 Trans Am
Engine: SBC 400
Transmission: 700-R4
Axle/Gears: 9 Bolt 2.77

Classifieds Rating: (1)
Re: Firebird 3 piece spoiler...why doesn't anyone make this?

That white firebird with the wheel flares, spoiler, shaker...I think it looks pretty bad ***!! That is pretty much how I had envisioned how I want my TA to look. I really like the spoiler...the three piece design is cool, even if it's second gen. I still don't know why there isn't an aftermarket one, why HAWKS makes a 5" camaro spoiler but not a firebird version is beyond me. I like the Z20 spoiler, but it looks more 1st gen in my opinion. I like that it's a factory piece...but ultimately I think the three piece is more retro. I like the wheel flares, but I think the Z20 version flows better, since they are factory.

I love the shaker too, pretty sweet.
1982TA is offline vBGarage Page   Reply With Quote
Old 08-20-2010, 01:39 PM
ThirdGen
1992 Camaro




Paid Advertisement


Reply

Go Back   Third Generation F-Body Message Boards > Tech Boards > Auto Detailing and Appearance

Tags
1991, 1999, 421, camaro, customize, division, firebird, fit, gm, iwant, performance, piece, rear, sd, spoiler, trans
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off

 


1982 Camaro '82 || 1983 Camaro '83 || 1984 Camaro '84 || 1985 Camaro '85 || 1986 Camaro '86 || 1987 Camaro '87 || 1988 Camaro '88 || 1989 Camaro '89 || 1990 Camaro '90 || 1991 Camaro '91 || 1992 Camaro '92


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:41 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.7.5
Copyright ©2000 - 2012, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Friendly URLs by vBSEO 3.5.2
All content copyright © 1997 - 2012 ThirdGen.org. All rights reserved. No part of this website may be reproduced without the expressed, documented, and written consent of ThirdGen.org's Administrators.

Emails & Contact Details