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Couldn't figure out what thread to put this in. Keep scrolling down - we made the list!
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/10-colle...003436577.html
http://autos.yahoo.com/news/10-colle...003436577.html
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Re: affordable classics
Came across that article yesterday - only cars worth owing are #6 to #10, the rest are 70's refuse.
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I disagree every single car on that list is a terrible piece of garbage. The 80s Camaros are at least fun to mod. anything from the 70's is complete trash, and the impala ss is just a gross caprice with a mediocre moto. there's a reason they're so popular in the, shall we say, section 8 housing crowd.
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I disagree every single car on that list is a terrible piece of garbage. The 80s Camaros are at least fun to mod. anything from the 70's is complete trash, and the impala ss is just a gross caprice with a mediocre moto. there's a reason they're so popular in the, shall we say, section 8 housing crowd.
You must have accidentally typed in thirdgen.org in your browser. Heres the one you were looking for. http://www.superhonda.com/forum/
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I read that article yesterday and thought to myself, "it's about time!" The third gens are and will be worth something one day despite what the haters say. I grew up loving these TA's and Camaros just like these older guys grew up drooling over 60's era muscle cars. And when I get old I'm gonna want to re-connect with my youth and that will be behind the wheel of a 80's era Trans Am.
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I disagree every single car on that list is a terrible piece of garbage. The 80s Camaros are at least fun to mod. anything from the 70's is complete trash, and the impala ss is just a gross caprice with a mediocre moto. there's a reason they're so popular in the, shall we say, section 8 housing crowd.
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I disagree every single car on that list is a terrible piece of garbage. The 80s Camaros are at least fun to mod. anything from the 70's is complete trash, and the impala ss is just a gross caprice with a mediocre moto. there's a reason they're so popular in the, shall we say, section 8 housing crowd.
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yeah. those lists are usually bullshit - and getting recognition or not, I would take it with a grain of salt coming from these types of writers/editors. they are not car people, and this list was most likely a dust-off of the same stupid list they did last year. I think the entire premise of this list is flawed BTW.
1. you also see desirable models (or at least their lower trim sisters) sell at Mecum auctions for prices lower than some of those shown on this list.
2. there is no model of car either figuratively or literally that was being sold for [beer money] ten years ago that are going for high-five figures today. that's hyperbole.
3. I really don't think so on the 73 GTOs and Grand Prix's or the 74-76 Dart, and a couple of others seem questionable to me. body style and performance relative to preceding models has to come in to play at some point, doesn't it?
4. 91 and 92 model years were not included for the F-Bodies. why? probably because they didn't know and didn't bother to research the fact that those are 3rd Gens too.
5. is the '93 Cobra really the only Fox Body that's worth a damn?
FWIW, 3rd Gens and Fox Bodies have been on these types of "affordable muscle" lists since the '90s. Novas, Dusters, and Mavericks usually make the lists too. Novas are getting more expensive, I've noticed.
1. you also see desirable models (or at least their lower trim sisters) sell at Mecum auctions for prices lower than some of those shown on this list.
2. there is no model of car either figuratively or literally that was being sold for [beer money] ten years ago that are going for high-five figures today. that's hyperbole.
3. I really don't think so on the 73 GTOs and Grand Prix's or the 74-76 Dart, and a couple of others seem questionable to me. body style and performance relative to preceding models has to come in to play at some point, doesn't it?
4. 91 and 92 model years were not included for the F-Bodies. why? probably because they didn't know and didn't bother to research the fact that those are 3rd Gens too.
5. is the '93 Cobra really the only Fox Body that's worth a damn?
FWIW, 3rd Gens and Fox Bodies have been on these types of "affordable muscle" lists since the '90s. Novas, Dusters, and Mavericks usually make the lists too. Novas are getting more expensive, I've noticed.
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i think my rs is as attractive as an iroc and as desirable.btw chevy should have made a two door version of that ss.
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^well, yes and no. its hard to tell from the pic in you avatar, but from the looks of things, YOUR RS is a convertible, with IROC wheels (or some other non-stock wheel), pretty paint, and possibly some sort of non-plain-Jane hood (cowel induction maybe?) also with the 4th gen rear axle, I'm assuming you have 4-wheel disc brakes and limited slip posi-traction.
so, the fact that your RS may be fixed up or half-way fixed up to your liking probably makes it at least as attractive and desirable as an IROC-Z, at least to you. so, YOUR RS may be as desirable and attractive as an IROC-Z. Im not here to dispute that.
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stock for stock a 3rd Gen RS is just never going to be as desirable or attractive as an IROC Z.
1) RS wheels are not as attractive as IROC wheels, and they're 15's vs. 16's.
2) RS tires are narrower and typically more pedestrian in appearance. the wider wheel/tire combination gives the IROC-Z an wider, more aggressive stance. plus, the sportier looking tires are usually more aesthetically pleasing (plus more valuable $$$-wise) to a Camaro enthusiast.
3) RS's come equipped with a weak motor.
4) RS's come equipped with an open differential, and most had 2.73-ish gears I think.
5) RS's come equipped with rear drum brakes.
not trying to dis' anyone who owns an RS, just pointing out some universal reasons that make RS's and base model Firebirds less attractive and desirable than IROCs, TAs, and Formulas on a stock for stock basis.
so, the fact that your RS may be fixed up or half-way fixed up to your liking probably makes it at least as attractive and desirable as an IROC-Z, at least to you. so, YOUR RS may be as desirable and attractive as an IROC-Z. Im not here to dispute that.
BUT
stock for stock a 3rd Gen RS is just never going to be as desirable or attractive as an IROC Z.
1) RS wheels are not as attractive as IROC wheels, and they're 15's vs. 16's.
2) RS tires are narrower and typically more pedestrian in appearance. the wider wheel/tire combination gives the IROC-Z an wider, more aggressive stance. plus, the sportier looking tires are usually more aesthetically pleasing (plus more valuable $$$-wise) to a Camaro enthusiast.
3) RS's come equipped with a weak motor.
4) RS's come equipped with an open differential, and most had 2.73-ish gears I think.
5) RS's come equipped with rear drum brakes.
not trying to dis' anyone who owns an RS, just pointing out some universal reasons that make RS's and base model Firebirds less attractive and desirable than IROCs, TAs, and Formulas on a stock for stock basis.
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What is upsetting to me is, I have owned #2 (Grand Am version) #5 and #10. By far I have to say the most fun was my 96 SS. It was just a monster car. I really wish I had not gotten rid of any of them now.
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Then there is the IROC issue where they were only produced from 85-90 in turn this seems to have embodied what a Third generation Camaro is... If you remember back in the day it was the IROC that made the Camaro so desirable.
The 4th, 2nd (mustang II) & 3rd (Rustang) generations (in that order) of Mustang are by far the least desirable. Granted that leaves the 1st and 5th, the new 6th will be a hard sell as well as they are rather ugly in their own rite. The 5th I really liked even though I am not a mustang fan I would consider it if I was threatened...
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The 4th, 2nd (mustang II) & 3rd (Rustang) generations (in that order) of Mustang are by far the least desirable. Granted that leaves the 1st and 5th, the new 6th will be a hard sell as well as they are rather ugly in their own rite. The 5th I really liked even though I am not a mustang fan I would consider it if I was threatened...
So - I agree with Linson. The 93 Cobra is not the only Fox Stang that is collectible. Pretty much anything 1986-1993 is going to garner interest, even the 4 bangers for drivetrain swaps.
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