*Spaghetti Engineering* LED Kit (Grid Tail Lights ONLY) - Camaros - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

I H8 WWD · 05-20-2008, 02:02 PM

Just got off the phone with Brian Santilli.

They are in prototype mode right now with the tails figuring out what setups are best for these tails....so they ARE working on them, but arent their HIGHEST priority...but if we get 25 down payments ready the priority will raise and these will come out faster.

Here are the DETAILS.

*NOTE* Changes can be made so please read up on posts to check for updates. As TGO doesnt allow after 2 days to edit your original post. Please keep checking back for updates.

Specifications of the kit:

LED BOARDS ONLY ready for plug and play into original sockets. These are NOT replacement lenses or housings...just LED boards setup to fit inside our housings. Check their website for further information and pictures/videos.

These are SEQUENTIAL.

The camaro LED kit will be for the amber and brake light only. The reverse section will use your stock bulb as they consider reverse not needing LED's. The outer wrap around cannot be achieved because it is a reflector type of the lens and Spaghetti Eng rather not put lights behind a reflector due to light emittence (Spelling?) and the way it would look (crappy/blurry). So all together this kit will be 2 sections of the tails....the amber and brake portion.

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THIS IS JUST FOR SHOWING PURPOSES AND ARE NOT THE CAMARO KITS, BUT A KIT FOR THE 1969 FIREBIRD.

1. STOCK COLORS ONLY! NO WRAP-AROUND! Reverse will NOT be LED but kept the stock bulb type.

2. THE BOARDS BEING USED ARE RED (So for those getting KLEARZ clear tails you might want to re-think this as the LED boards will show through in red)

3. 25 down payments of 50% of the product cost must be put down upon final production runs to ensure sales. Total ranges from $200-$300 a kit making a $100-$150 down payment price.

4. They are looking for 1 PERSON to be their contacter...so I ask all those out there on TGO and Camarosource to allow me and Paul from camarosource take over the e-mails.

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camarosource · 05-21-2008, 03:40 AM

While that's good to finally hear.. It's sure a shame it had to take nearly 1/2 a YEAR to just find that out now.

rwdtech · 05-21-2008, 03:44 AM

so what are they gonna look like? i dont get it..

ChevyKen · 05-21-2008, 04:14 AM

Uhm..Im sorry if Im ignorant here, but could you give a real short description of what the kit really is? You mention that if using a different lens, then .... - does that mean that this is just the housing? Just replacements for bulbs?
What do you mean by no wrap-around?

Thanks, and again - sorry if I should know this hehe...I've not been around here much for a while.

Ken

I H8 WWD · 05-21-2008, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by ChevyKen

Uhm..Im sorry if Im ignorant here, but could you give a real short description of what the kit really is? You mention that if using a different lens, then .... - does that mean that this is just the housing? Just replacements for bulbs?
What do you mean by no wrap-around?

Thanks, and again - sorry if I should know this hehe...I've not been around here much for a while.

Ken

I posted the description...but photobuckets uploaders arent working so I cant post a picture of what the kit might look like...no photoshop here though...just an idea.

The wrap around is the ..... haha, wrap around part fo the tail lights...at each end corner opposite of the reverse section...otherwise known as the corner triangle...

This kit will replace your stock bulbs with these LEDs as a plug and play setup. BUT, you will use your stock reverse bulb...as spaghetti eng states the LED's in the reverse section arent needed.

The different lenses are part of another group buy...where some of us are getting clear tails or smoked tails and the RED boards will show through the lenses and might not look that great...

BADNBLK · 05-21-2008, 12:26 PM

The whole kit does not look that appealing to me anymore. I really liked the wrap around idea, and now it just seems cheap (even though the price is not).

Has anyone seen these:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/RED-S...8351QQtcZphoto

Looks alot like what they are going to put into our housings. Why are we not doing this ourselves... this is plug and play.

**I am not trying to trash your group buy, just throw out an idea **

I H8 WWD · 05-21-2008, 12:36 PM

This kit is sequential as well.

Your plug and play isnt, just a square of led's....

Also, having those in a rectangle lens wont look good anyway, as you'll have room on each side for more leds and the look of the tails will fade away.

BADNBLK · 05-21-2008, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by I H8 WWD

This kit is sequential as well.

Your plug and play isnt, just a square of led's....

Also, having those in a rectangle lens wont look good anyway, as you'll have room on each side for more leds and the look of the tails will fade away.

I did not see the sequential mentioned above and it has been a while since I read the original... cool!

I understand that it is just a square of LEDs, and I know that they are small to our specific housing, but if someone can make 5x5 squares why not 10x20 to fill out area with 2057 sockets connected at the end like my example.

I see what your saying, and your kit will be less work total. Good luck on the group buy. Can't wait to see these working.

I H8 WWD · 05-21-2008, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by BADNBLK

I did not see the sequential mentioned above and it has been a while since I read the original... cool!

I understand that it is just a square of LEDs, and I know that they are small to our specific housing, but if someone can make 5x5 squares why not 10x20 to fill out area with 2057 sockets connected at the end like my example.

I see what your saying, and your kit will be less work total. Good luck on the group buy. Can't wait to see these working.

Im trying to get the reverse section led...as well as the wrap-around...but they really dont want to, but as I have told them, its not about what they want, but what the consumer wants....and thats a FULL LED KIT.

camarosource · 05-21-2008, 09:36 PM

Has anyone here actually THOUGHT as to HOW they can possibly do this for $200-300 and still make profit considering 1 tail Light assembly costs between $224 & $232us?

In reality in order for them to make ANY profit, the cost of the LED taillights would have to be a MININUM of $228.97 and that would WITHOUT profit. Unless they can find new light assemblies for less than say $80, they wouldn't make any profit.. Something is missing...

www.classicindustries.com sells *1* taillight for $224.99 each & $232.95 (LEFT = $224.99 / RIGHT = $232.95). That's $457.94us for just light housing just to begin with..

krisb410 · 05-21-2008, 09:44 PM

Why wouldn't you just use the taillights you already have??? They are just selling the "kit", then install them on the tailights already on your car. No need for all new housings.

camarosource · 05-21-2008, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by krisb410

Why wouldn't you just use the taillights you already have??? They are just selling the "kit", then install them on the tailights already on your car. No need for all new housings.

I was under the impression the taillights were a sealed unit tho? I don't recall seeing any screws. I thought the lights just screw into the back of the unit?

krisb410 · 05-21-2008, 10:01 PM

They come apart, have be be careful, but they do.

Norwood · 05-21-2008, 10:27 PM

I'd be all over this if I could get the reverse section in LED. I painted my reverse section red and did away the reverse lights, and installed a 3 section sequential blinker system. It shouldn't be hard to get an additional section since all 3 should be identical.

I H8 WWD · 05-21-2008, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Norwood

I'd be all over this if I could get the reverse section in LED. I painted my reverse section red and did away the reverse lights, and installed a 3 section sequential blinker system. It shouldn't be hard to get an additional section since all 3 should be identical.

This is something I am working on with brian @ Spaghetti Eng. Like i said before Spaghetti Eng thinks the reverse section and wrap around sections wouldnt be needed nor look good if done. But I have told him over and over again that we want every section led with the exception of the wrap-around.

So I am hoping tomorrow I get a response to these questions.

I H8 WWD · 05-21-2008, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by camarosource

I was under the impression the taillights were a sealed unit tho? I don't recall seeing any screws. I thought the lights just screw into the back of the unit?

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Originally Posted by krisb410

They come apart, have be be careful, but they do.

You do indeed need to be careful, also this is why I am glad I am getting my custom lenses from KLEARZ, as I am buying new housings after this and just replacing my old tails for brand new COMPLETE units.

KLEARZ Dark Smoked Lenses $190
Spaghetti Eng. LED Kit installed onto KLEARZ lenses $200-$300
NEW GM Housings $160/ea.

Completely new tails....Cost $710-$810 depending on LED Kit Cost.

P.S. Anybody need added to the list? Or is more info still needed? Just wondering.

BADNBLK · 05-22-2008, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by I H8 WWD

KLEARZ Dark Smoked Lenses $190
Spaghetti Eng. LED Kit installed onto KLEARZ lenses $200-$300
NEW GM Housings $160/ea.

Completely new tails....Cost $710-$810 depending on LED Kit Cost.

So these LED kits are just a section of LED light grids with wiring adapted to fit our original socket, then we have to make them fit in OUR original housings?? Thats what it sounds like. Are they providing housing in purchase price, or just the lights for $200-300?

I H8 WWD · 05-22-2008, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by BADNBLK

So these LED kits are just a section of LED light grids with wiring adapted to fit our original socket, then we have to make them fit in OUR original housings?? Thats what it sounds like. Are they providing housing in purchase price, or just the lights for $200-300?

The kit will have to be installed into your stock housings right behind the lenses which they are either glued to or taped to...however they/you so choose, but Ill probably glue mine in, since they have a 1,000,000 hour life span which is roughly 113 years of light....pretty good to be glued you think.

Anyway, I am getting new lenses from KLEARZ so I thought since these are going behind the lenses why not just buy a whole new housing as well, start anew.

AGAIN, YOU HAVE TO REMOVE YOUR OLD TAIL LIGHTS. REMOVE THE HOUSING FROM THE LENSES AND INSTALL THESE LED KITS RIGHT BEHIND THE LENSES (Dont worry, they are test fitting these so they fit perfect and wont have problems fitting inside the housing behind the lenses) THEN REGLUE/SILICONE YOUR LENSES BACK ONTO YOUR HOUSINGS AND SEE THEM BITCHES WORK...haha.

NineOneOne · 05-22-2008, 01:21 PM

Interesting. I'd want to see them installed, and a shot of them lit up at night before I would even consider buying...

I H8 WWD · 05-22-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by KScivic

Interesting. I'd want to see them installed, and a shot of them lit up at night before I would even consider buying...

These are in prototype stages right now...so videos will be a little while. Check out their videos of other products they offer. They will give the best look at how bright they are and how they operate...then just apply to how the camaro's will look.

Look here....click on ANY name vehicle

http://www.spaghettiengineering.com/...ore/videos.asp

P.S. I am still at trying to get the reverse section LED as well. The wrap-around might be the stopping point for these...because of the reflector type part of the lens.

BADNBLK · 05-22-2008, 04:05 PM

It just seems like alot of money for some LED board that are wired to fit a 2057 socket. The sequential thing is cool, but for the amount of money, I think that we could run down to radio shack and pay some nerd behind the counter to solder up a board. We can then glue this into our housings, and probably have them make reverse boards too!

krisb410 · 05-22-2008, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by BADNBLK

but for the amount of money, I think that we could run down to radio shack and pay some nerd behind the counter to solder up a board. We can then glue this into our housings, and probably have them make reverse boards too!

And then when they break, you gonna track down the "some nerd behind the counter" and hope he still works there?. When in this case, you can have the company fix/replace them ("for the same money").

Sure there is a way to do this yourself and save money. But some of us don't feel like spending the time an effort to do the research and make them, when we can just buy them.