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Old 10-24-2000, 02:22 PM   #1
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A few questions from a soon to be carb newbie!

1. what tells the distributor on a carb car when to fire, it isn't just juiced the entire time is it?
2. how do you hook up vacuum advance and other vacuum stuff when you have a two carb manifold?

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Old 10-24-2000, 02:24 PM   #2
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another question,
what are vacuum/mechanical secondaries?
do I need a vacuum secondary carb to use a vacuum advance distributor and a mechanical advance carb to use a mechanical advance distributor?

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Old 10-24-2000, 03:27 PM   #3
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A carb doesn't fire. Too primitiave for that . Basically the most boost it gets is from fuel pressure which is basically nil by the time it comes out of the carb. The fuel/air is pulled in by vaccum, unlike a FI, it's "wet-manifold" which means the vaccum is made to pull in the fuel and the air together as opposed to just air.

You can hook them up anyway you want to, a good idea is to try and even them out a bit however most cars running two carbs only run the vaccum advance (if equipped) and the power brakes. You can also run the PVC valve from it and the heater (if you don't want to tap a runner).

No, two seperate things. A mechanical secondary carb is most commonly referred to as a double pumper, this is usually used for high power applications with large cams (can't provide the vaccum for the secondaries) and more often suggest from autos than manuals. The vaccum secondary carb opens it's secondaries depending on vaccum from the engine, there is a various assortment of springs (holley) in order to accomplish near-perfect timing of the secondaries.

A mechanical advance distributor means it uses no vaccum advance to determine the timing. It only uses centrifugal weights in the distributor. Most people run vaccum advance because you can run a more aggressive timing curve because vaccum is one of the best indicators of load. An engine under load can't take as much timing and engines under load have less vaccum. Vaccum advance distributors are mechanical advance distributors with some extra advance provided by the vaccum canister. The vaccum line for the distributor should always be hooked into a "ported" vaccum port, it will give you no vaccum at curb idle.



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Old 10-24-2000, 03:30 PM   #4
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Sorry, I misread the fist question. On non-CC HEI it is controlled by little triangle like things (can't recall the real name). When they pass eachother they send voltage to the ignition module which sends it to the coil which then sends it to the rotor and out through the plugs. The vaccum advance canister moves these "triangles" to advance timing and the weights move the rotor to advance the timing.

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Old 10-24-2000, 04:43 PM   #5
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Two comments 84FTA.

First, the triangle thing is called a Reluctor.

Second, You want vacuum secondaries for auto trans, not mechanical, for the vacuum reasons you stated. Older autos (PG, TH350, TH400) need vacuum to operate, unlike the TH700-R4. Manual trannies like mechanical secondaries.

Other than that, all the info is pretty right on.

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A mechanical secondary carb is most commonly referred to as a double pumper
Isn't a double pumper a mechanical secondary carb with a second accelerator pump for the secondaries, distinct from a regular mech. sec. carb with a single pump?

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Old 10-24-2000, 09:42 PM   #7
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Yeah, I'm sorry. I mistated both those things. It's been a long day . Yes, that should of read most mech. secondary carbs are double pumpers. The other should of read they are more often suggested for manuals instead of autos. However, in street applications running mechanical secondaries/double pumpers even on a manual transmission aren't required. Gas mileage will suffer horribly because of the double pumper's power valve channel restrictors.

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