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Bought the car in 1998. A short while later the AC freon emptied out and was told it was illegal to refill due to the ozone polution with the 3rd gen freon type. My only alternative has always known to be converting to the new freon which would cost $1000+..
Now I see there are freon refill kits selling for $50.. People are buying them like crazy! We cannot keep them on the shelves AT ALL! So I want to get in on the action
What type of freon do 92 Camaro's have?
Features
* A direct replacement and retrofit option for R134a and R12 refrigerants for automotive air conditioning systems
* Offers a freon replacement that runs cooler and more efficiently, without depleting ozone
* No license or retrofitting required for use
* Carries EcoSafe certification (non ozone depleting)
* Includes everything needed to properly charge air conditioning systems: two cans of 12a refrigerant, installation hose kit with colour coded gauge, air conditioning oil, low side service fitting and service decal
I'm pretty sure a '92 will use R-12. Alot of guys have used Freeze-12 which is a R-12 alternative.
Some people are terrified to use it because it's propane based and they believe it makes your car a rolling bomb. Funny part is your car already is considering how much gas you have in it and Freon actually ignites at a lower temperature then Freeze-12. From what I read in Freeze-12's website, it's perfectly safe and it's a direct replacement.
Check out their website. I just did a Google search for it. I have found several kits on Ebay for as low as $60 for a full Freeze-12 setup with oil, stop leak, three cans, the hose, etc. Mostly everyone will agree, nothing cools like good ol' fashion R-12. R-134 does suck. It's great in cars born with R-134 stock, but these bad boys were born with R-12 and R-134 loses it's efficiency at an idle. I had done the conversion years ago to mine before I ever knew what Freeze-12 was so of course I was disappointed. My car runs cool, but not cold like it did with good old R-12.
The price of R-12 has come down alot now considering there is not that much demand for it anymore like there used to be. The choice is yours.
My only alternative has always known to be converting to the new freon which would cost $1000+..
It never ceases to amaze me, the incredible number of auto myths regarding the ac system. Chief among them being that any ac service, or refrigerant retrofit costs in the quadruple digits.
The ENTIRE ac system, less two hoses, can be bought, NEW, not reman, for $436.17, today, plus s/h. That's a price for a new compressor, evaporator,condenser, accumulator,orifice tube, and oring set. That is everything, except the high side line, which is just a length of aluminum pipe easily cleaned and reused, and the hose set, which is again, easily cleaned and reused.
A competent mechanic could install these new parts and charge the system in 2 hours.
The bottom line is, don't spend $1000 fixing what you can buy new for under $500.
It never ceases to amaze me, the incredible number of auto myths regarding the ac system. Chief among them being that any ac service, or refrigerant retrofit costs in the quadruple digits.
The ENTIRE ac system, less two hoses, can be bought, NEW, not reman, for $436.17, today, plus s/h. That's a price for a new compressor, evaporator,condenser, accumulator,orifice tube, and oring set. That is everything, except the high side line, which is just a length of aluminum pipe easily cleaned and reused, and the hose set, which is again, easily cleaned and reused.
A competent mechanic could install these new parts and charge the system in 2 hours.
The bottom line is, don't spend $1000 fixing what you can buy new for under $500.
umm.. not sure what you are getting at.. if it costs say $500, plus shipping, plus tax, plus installation (approx $100/hr) then that IS not too far from $1000 is it not?
umm.. not sure what you are getting at.. if it costs say $500, plus shipping, plus tax, plus installation (approx $100/hr) then that IS not too far from $1000 is it not?
If you replaced every single little part you're not that far off. Most of the time replacing just switches, the compressor and adding freon/oil will suffice. I just redid my A/C replacing my compressor (used and tested $75), the low pressure cut-off switch ($12 new), the high pressure cut-off switch ($30 new) and three cans of R134+ freon ($30).....Total $147 with taxes give an extra $3 grand total about $150.
Consider I did all the work myself. Now imagine I replaced every single part and the compressor was new which is over $200 then no, it's not hard to believe it'll be close to $1000. Any mechanic will want to charge between $65 to $95 an hour for the job. $436.17 plus a 15% markup by the shop plus the freon and the labor will be about $700 to $800 so $1000 is stealership price.
why on gods green earth would he need to replace all of that !!!!! just find out where it is leaking first and fix it ....if his compressor is still working just evac the system and recharge with r-12 (you can find it easy on ebay or craigslist) the cost of r-12 i think its 2lb6oz to fill our system is not that bad IF he repairs the the leak !!!!!!!!!
glock has a point...this thread kind of went off topic. It sounds like all the OP needs is the leak fixed and system charged. You can get a license to buy R12 by taking an open book test, online. Search for it...epatest.gov or something like that. The stuff is cheap on ebay. A few years back, I got a case of genuine R12 for $100. Funny thing is, if my car ever has a problem that requires emptying the system, I'll probably charge it back with r134a.
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Originally Posted by camarosource
umm.. not sure what you are getting at.. if it costs say $500, plus shipping, plus tax, plus installation (approx $100/hr) then that IS not too far from $1000 is it not?
$1000 would be 100% more than $500. In my opinion, that IS pretty far from $1000. I actually found all those parts online, from one, reputable vendor for $436. I doubt shipping would push it over $500.
That figure was a "worst possible case". It is unlikely that the entire system will need replaced like that. That figure also included a new compressor, when a rebuilt one can do the same for $100 less. The point was, no ac service on a thirdgen should EVER cost $1000. If that's the quote you get, go somewhere else! It is also worth pointing out, anyone who can turn a wrench and oil an oring, could assemble a new ac system, and take it to a service center to be vacuumed and charged, for further savings.
Who gets $100/hr for auto service? That's highway robbery. I had my wife's cavalier worked on for $60/hr last week, at the dealership, no less.
He is correct that there is no propane in Freeze 12. Many of the alternative refrigerants out there do contain some proportion of propane,butane, and/or isobutane, but freeze 12 is not actually one of them. Many of the hydrocarbon blends call themselves something-12a or 12a-something. There's too many of them to keep up with them all.
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Originally Posted by Guro 305
If you replaced every single little part you're not that far off. Most of the time replacing just switches,
I neglected to consider things like the clutch cycling switch, or the HPCO, but generally, you don't have both an electrical failure, and a failure in the refrigerant system.
