The radiator on my car is pretty much shot. So its time for an up grade.
I was thinking: toss the condencer, get a new radiator, install a high flow 180'F stat, toss the belt driven fan and install electrics and get an electric cooling pump.
After the success of converting my diesel suburban to electric fans I want to do the same thing to my camaro (and then some). I picked up 1mpg with my truck in mostly city driving and about 2mpg in 50/50 city high way driving after the conversion.
Reading on summit some of the electric pumps say they are good for street use.
What do you think?
__________________ camaro #1 85 v6 3.4L w/ 272crane cam, GN injectors, 5-speed 3.42's
camaro #2 85 Iroc Z28 T-tops, Bilstein struts/shocks, Eibach prokit, SS flexable break lines, Friction Master ceramic pads, Bendix reman calipers, Rear drums 100% rebuilt. Brand new LARS "FE2" steering box, Spohn fabed strut towers, new Moog draglink tierod, Energy swaybar bushings and swaybar links all around, Poly A-arm bushings + new ball joint.
Next: cooling up grades http://www.cardomain.com/id/oil_pan_4 .
Re: Whats the word on electric pumps for street use?
The Meziere pumps are widely trusted & used often, but not cheap.
I've been thinking of getting an electric pump for my new engine too, but doubtful I'll spend the $$$ on Meziere one.
As for Apeiron....As a Mod, I'd expect a little more respect in a post from you. A REASON, not just an opinionated post.
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I would like these mods to increase fuel economy, buy allowing faster warmups and less engine drag.
How are the ProForm pumps ($160@summit)? I was also looking at the summit pump because it has provisions for a P/S bracket. I need to take a closer look to see if my P/S bracket depends on any kind of coolant pump mounting.
I drive long distance trips every now and then, but need Better Cooling in stop and go traffic since I do a lot of that around here (day to day). I live in VA for now it gets kind of hot, but later on I could be moving to (north) Texas.
__________________ camaro #1 85 v6 3.4L w/ 272crane cam, GN injectors, 5-speed 3.42's
camaro #2 85 Iroc Z28 T-tops, Bilstein struts/shocks, Eibach prokit, SS flexable break lines, Friction Master ceramic pads, Bendix reman calipers, Rear drums 100% rebuilt. Brand new LARS "FE2" steering box, Spohn fabed strut towers, new Moog draglink tierod, Energy swaybar bushings and swaybar links all around, Poly A-arm bushings + new ball joint.
Next: cooling up grades http://www.cardomain.com/id/oil_pan_4 .
Re: Whats the word on electric pumps for street use?
ive been running a proform pump from summit for a while now on the street and have had no problems. my engine looks a lot cleane with only 1 belt going to the alternator.
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After close inspection the Proform pump, it would leave me no where to attach any thing.
It appears the summit pump will allow for P/S attachment but not Alt attachment. To use an Alt with a electric pump I would need to make some creative brackets or move the alt to the left side of the engine where the AC pump is. I think creative brackets will be plan "A", moveing the alt to the left side can be plan "B".
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Originally Posted by tylersb350
ive been running a proform pump from summit for a while now on the street and have had no problems. my engine looks a lot cleane with only 1 belt going to the alternator.
I have same set up ,looks great and no problems so far.
I dont have p/s but I believe March has a bracket for that also
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I saw the thing about March on the other ele water pump thread, I will check them out.
Edit, that stuff looks expensive and I didn't see prices any where.
I was looking for a high flow thermostat at advanced auto parts, they have Mr.Gasket high flow stats ($10). But looking at it I don't see how it can be "high flow". It does not look like a standard thermostat. I guess I could all ways buy it, throw it in a pot of water on the stove and see what happens and if it doesn't open up very much I could all ways take it back.
Should I grab one of those thermostats or should I wait and get some thing better?
Last edited by oil pan 4 : 08-16-2008 at 09:40 PM.
Re: Whats the word on electric pumps for street use?
I boiled up a pot of Mr.Gasket 180'F thermostat, I see how it opens now (duha) it is very much a high flow stat.
I will order a proform pump to save $50 (compared to the summit pump) incase I cant come up with a way to modify the brackets and need to order stuff form March which will run me between $170 to $290 depending on what I need.
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I purchased the Meziere 300 Series pumps, I called up the company and talked to a tech guy, My car is mainly just a weekend cruiser and these are rated for about 3000hrs (not that long). I also ordered the March 22007 which March nolonger makes they now make the 22017 which i see as basically the same thing just more expensive. If you can grab the older part number I would. In addition to the 22007 i also had to order the spacer for the electric pump for alternator and power steering. (I auctually purchased the 22007-09 cause noone at March could tell me why the price difference was so much... it reads that one is a 5 rib belt, but when i got it at the front door both pulleys were 6 ribs.) Im also not sure if you can use the proform water pumps with the march pulley setup. Check the "suggest parts" setup.
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The only common electric pump March didn't have listed as "useable" was the one made by summit. The proform pump was on there for most of those parts.
I am waiting for the 20th to be over, that way my master card will post $0 ballance on my credit report. Its a cash back card so I try to put every thing I can on it (I hate this part of the month).
Thanks for those part numbers, I dont think I would have found those backets by them selves looking on my own.
If for some reason I cant weld, forge and heat treat my own bracket mods, I will be ordering those march parts.
March:
"drilling and taping the cylinder heads may be necessary"
Hmmmmm......
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Ok the price on those brackets is just right, I think I might grab that alt bracket if I determin the bracket moding is going to in any way be a PITA.
Thanks for that link, it is very help full.
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Beware objects pictured in product catologs are larger than they appear.
I got my proform pump and its big!
The stock power steering bracket set up might work, there is no way the alt belt will clear the pump with a stock bracket.
Moving the battery in back and moving the alt lower would clear a huge path for a CAI.
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I think I can do some pics.
I may have an over sized crank pully, it is bigger than the power steering pully and the ex-water pump pully. It looks like in stock configuration (if I am even stock to begin with) the PS belt clears the Proform pump by about 1/2 inch, if I had a under drive pully it would be more.
For the altanator I have turned it up side down and I am rebuilding the bracket so it will fit. I might have to tighten it form under the car or some thing, or I might figure out a way to rig in a turn buckle which too would have to be worked on form under the car, oh well.
__________________ camaro #1 85 v6 3.4L w/ 272crane cam, GN injectors, 5-speed 3.42's
camaro #2 85 Iroc Z28 T-tops, Bilstein struts/shocks, Eibach prokit, SS flexable break lines, Friction Master ceramic pads, Bendix reman calipers, Rear drums 100% rebuilt. Brand new LARS "FE2" steering box, Spohn fabed strut towers, new Moog draglink tierod, Energy swaybar bushings and swaybar links all around, Poly A-arm bushings + new ball joint.
Next: cooling up grades http://www.cardomain.com/id/oil_pan_4 .
Re: Whats the word on electric pumps for street use?
my jegs pump lasted me all of one year and 50 hours of operation.. but they did have a warranty so i just got my money back.. they said it should last well over a year of daily driving..
well i had my experience and i'll stick to the mech.. it sucked when the pump went out.. at the strip, on the return lane, looked at my temp guage to see 195*, a bit on the hot side but nothing to worry about since i would cool off at the pit.. then got my timeslip and saw 250*.. ended my night at 4:00 in the afternoon.. water dripping from the electricals..
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I got the pump installed, also installed a small 4 pass trans cooler, got the alt turned up side down, added a turn buckel to the P/S pump bracket and deleted most of the A/C.
By removing the water pump + pully, fan and A/C I lost about 10lb of high drag rotating mass. Going to the lighter pump, tossing the A/C plus brackets and condencer and along with other junk is at least another 20lb of dead weight.
The only problem I am having is the Mr.Gasket 180'F thermo I installed flows a lot of coolant when closed. I only have one 12 inch pusher fan installed and it seems like its able to keep the engine cool for now. I am going to install a slightly modified stock fan, just waiting on a stock electric fan lower shrowd.
I wired it up so when I turn the key on the coolant pump turns on full speed and the fan relay has power, just waiting to be grounded through a fan temp switch or through my manual switch.
Next week when my shrowd comes in I am going to wire up a low/high speed circuit for the pump when I wire up the second fan. I tested a low speed circuit and it still flowed quite a bit of coolant.
I have same set up ,looks great and no problems so far.
ended my night at 4:00 in the afternoon.. water dripping from the electricals..
