So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
Here's another "sales article" I read while on the Shi*ter this morning. September 2009 Car Craft magazine, scanned it just for you. More than 5rwhp lost at the wheels. This equates to 12hp at the crank that the fan sucks down
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Thats fine its still not 50 hp that you were claiming before. I'm not worried about 12 hp. If I was that worried about the hp loss i'd have manual steering, electric water pump,and electric fans. And flex fans suck anyway thats why I stick with clutch style.
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
Hey can we finish up with this mess. Everyone has a different opinion. I don't like ketchup and mustard, some people could make love to them.
The guy runs a clutch fans and his motor stays cool, that's all that matters. I would take a clutch fan over a overheating motor any day.
Lets get onto something else.
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ya im done, just found it funny when I read it this morning and figured I'd post it lol
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
So what do the transmission threads need to be re-tapped too?
Can we answer this already. Thanks.
How much CFM do stock fan setups push?
Original fans, not aftermarket replacements stating their stock replacements. Thanks.
Single Fan:
Dual Fan:
Clutch Fan:
Can we answer this already. Thanks.
How much CFM do stock fan setups push?
Original fans, not aftermarket replacements stating their stock replacements. Thanks.
Single Fan:
Dual Fan:
Clutch Fan:
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
Tough questions with no perfect answer.
Trans lines....No idea, I use an external trans cooler.
Stock Electric Fans? Im going to guess anywhere from 2,500 CFM to 3,500 CFM
Dual Fans: Having dual fans doesn't mean much. You could have dual 12" fans or dual 16" fans. Big difference in flows. 2,500 CFM to 6,000 CFM
Clutch Fan: I think these are anywhere from 3,500 to 5,500.
Again, these are just educated guesses...lol
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
First, thanks for the estimates.
I was wondering, do you have a Temp Gauge? If so what does the fluid run at?
I thought just an external cooler wouldn't be sufficient in cooling the trans fluid? Just curious is all.
I was wondering, do you have a Temp Gauge? If so what does the fluid run at?
I thought just an external cooler wouldn't be sufficient in cooling the trans fluid? Just curious is all.
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
The correct way, is to run the factory one on an auto trans & the aftermarket on, in series. Both coolers being used.
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
I will more then likely upgrade my cooler before I put my trans back in. My trans brake is going to take to a whole nother cloud 9.
Also, for anyone reading this, if your going to be putting the rad and trans cooler in series, put the trans cooler after the rad.
Again, I honestly don't know if having a good trans cooler is enough. As far as im concerned, it is.
Apparently you don't need to run the trans fluid through the rad.
http://www.carcraft.com/techarticles...ics/index.html
Then again, how reliable are magazines lol......
http://www.carcraft.com/howto/transm...all/index.html
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And you dont have to re tap the radiator for new tranny lin fittings. Th champion radiators come with brass fittings that will accept your tranny lines.
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Interesting article. I guess it just goes to show that every little bit counts!
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
I tried putting my trans lines into the Champion rad and they did not fit. However, I did upgrade my trans cooler to a 30,000 GVW B&M cooler and installed a temp gauge.
Good luck to everyone else!
Good luck to everyone else!
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Mine came with brass adapters installed. I just screwed in the trans and cooler and I was good to go.
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oh so they're supplying adapters for the trans lines now? Sweet!
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
Getting mine freaking soon then. With fans and shroud as well. AWESOME AWESOME AWESOME. Thanks Reliable Radiator or otherwise Champion, still unsure why they don't just make the threads correct in the first place since this is replicated to fit into our cars anyway. Oh well, glad to hear it will all be a bolt-in with very minor modifications to the rubber mounts. Thanks again for this find.
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
Before I buy here's my contemplation, so looking for some opinions:
Right now the car will get to 210 as long as it's not much hotter then mid 80's outside but I want it to stay between 180-195. I'm using 160 thermostat which I'm thinking to go back to the 195. Currently it's a stock plastic tank single core(?) with a factory single fan. Trans cooler installed by race trans shop which used both the factory trans cooler in series with the add-on.
If I go with the 3-core aluminum and a 195 thermostat do you think it will bring the temps down using the factory fan?
I saw the radiator/dual 12" fan setup but the airflow on that as mentioned is only 2800cfm. Being that it's two fan motors I'm thinking I'd need to add another relay for the second fan and what's the point if it's not going to flow any better then my single?
Right now the car will get to 210 as long as it's not much hotter then mid 80's outside but I want it to stay between 180-195. I'm using 160 thermostat which I'm thinking to go back to the 195. Currently it's a stock plastic tank single core(?) with a factory single fan. Trans cooler installed by race trans shop which used both the factory trans cooler in series with the add-on.
If I go with the 3-core aluminum and a 195 thermostat do you think it will bring the temps down using the factory fan?
I saw the radiator/dual 12" fan setup but the airflow on that as mentioned is only 2800cfm. Being that it's two fan motors I'm thinking I'd need to add another relay for the second fan and what's the point if it's not going to flow any better then my single?
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
Use a 180 t-stat.
If your temp currently gets to 210, yes, it should bring the temp down assuming that your radiator is the weak link in your cooling system, even with the factory fan.
The dual fan setup will move more air than the factory fan.
If your temp currently gets to 210, yes, it should bring the temp down assuming that your radiator is the weak link in your cooling system, even with the factory fan.
The dual fan setup will move more air than the factory fan.
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Plus it has a shroud as well, and if need be you could always find another 12" fan as most have the same mounting points, and install them. I have seen up to 6,000cfm fans. Just order it up, if it isn't sufficient measure the fans, head to your nearest parts shop and start measuring other fans. It is something I plan to do, right now I wont need much past 2800cfm with the new radiator and stage 2 water pump so it will be down the road when I (do and will need to) upgrade.
P.S. Ledfoot racing says they will provide adapters for the trans lines, only thing is, he needs to know what size. Can someone find out the size of the trans line fittings? A Thank you.
P.S. Ledfoot racing says they will provide adapters for the trans lines, only thing is, he needs to know what size. Can someone find out the size of the trans line fittings? A Thank you.
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
Originally Posted by Perma-Cool
How much airflow (cfm) do I need to cool my engine?
A four cylinder engine requires 1600 cfm; a six cylinder engine requires 2,000 cfm, a small V-8 engine requires 3,000 cfm and large V-8 engines require 4500+ cfm.
http://perma-cool.com/faq/efans.htm
A four cylinder engine requires 1600 cfm; a six cylinder engine requires 2,000 cfm, a small V-8 engine requires 3,000 cfm and large V-8 engines require 4500+ cfm.
http://perma-cool.com/faq/efans.htm
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I got a champion rad too.
Here are some pic. The guy had to send me adapters for the lines to fit.
This might be a dump question , but on the stock radiator the the tranny fluid cooler tube are capped of at the top and assume bottom also.
On the champion I got, they are open. wonder if tranny fluid will leak. I dont want my block's cooling system full of fluid.
Here is a pic
Here are some pic. The guy had to send me adapters for the lines to fit.
This might be a dump question , but on the stock radiator the the tranny fluid cooler tube are capped of at the top and assume bottom also.
On the champion I got, they are open. wonder if tranny fluid will leak. I dont want my block's cooling system full of fluid.
Here is a pic
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Interesting. Might need some people to double check their Champion radiators. Where did you get this one from? What part #?
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I got it from this guy
http://stores.shop.ebay.com/Jam-N-Mo...__W0QQ_armrsZ1
The part # for the rad was
3 ROW Aluminum 1982-92 Firebird/Trans Am Radiator CC951
Other Champinion rad users please chime in, post pic of what you got.
Appriciate the input
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The part # for the rad was
3 ROW Aluminum 1982-92 Firebird/Trans Am Radiator CC951
Other Champinion rad users please chime in, post pic of what you got.
Appriciate the input
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
I just realized yours is different than all the cc951's on ebay. Yours has an extra fitting hole right next to your overflow outlet. Whereas all the pictures online plus from the OP show theirs without this, I think you may have received the wrong radiator? Maybe with yours it uses two coolers for the radiator, both the radiator and tranny cooler portion?
P.S. Find out what size transmission adapters he sent you. We still need to know and nobody has said anything but many have bought the radiator.
P.S. Find out what size transmission adapters he sent you. We still need to know and nobody has said anything but many have bought the radiator.
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I just realized yours is different than all the cc951's on ebay. Yours has an extra fitting hole right next to your overflow outlet. Whereas all the pictures online plus from the OP show theirs without this, I think you may have received the wrong radiator? Maybe with yours it uses two coolers for the radiator, both the radiator and tranny cooler portion?
P.S. Find out what size transmission adapters he sent you. We still need to know and nobody has said anything but many have bought the radiator.
P.S. Find out what size transmission adapters he sent you. We still need to know and nobody has said anything but many have bought the radiator.
I got a metric M to NPT F fitting. (I have a 4L60e trans to 3rd gen radiator )
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Sorry I'm to lazy to drain the coolant out and take a look. Plus I need 2 people to take my hood off. If you look in the very first post, the second pic down looks exactly like the inside of your radiator so I'm guessing your safe.
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looks the same as mine :shrug:
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We need to find out if this is going to cause any problems. I plan to buy mine over winter.
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Well I drive my car a couple times a week and havent had any problems. I'm pretty sure Justin has his installed also.
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yeah but mines a stick. My buddy in NY has this same radiator in his 600+hp car witha fresh transmission and no problems with his car/radiator/trans etc
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Screeminchicken if you want, put a hose up to the tranny holes and pump some water through it, see if it comes out, easy as that, if not we are good to go. Sounds like it is capped further down that hole where we can't see through the darkness.
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Searched all of e-bay. Cant find the champ radiator
Need a new radiator ASAP mine cracked. Was going to order the Champion radiator with transmission cooling since everyone's sayint they are so good.
Any other places you can buy those?
Need a new radiator ASAP mine cracked. Was going to order the Champion radiator with transmission cooling since everyone's sayint they are so good.
Any other places you can buy those?
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Holy sh*t could this topic be beat to death any more.
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I hooked up the transmission lines already. So far no tranny fluid inside the radiator. So thats good. But what doesnt make sence is how the fluid flows then. That pipe is wafer thin. I can see bungs welded to the outside. I dont want to insert water into the transmission system for obvoius reasons. Car is not running yet to get the transmission preasurised.
Not sure what to do here..
It would make sence if the pipe in question was capped off on both ends and the trans line inlet and outlet went thru the pipe itself rather than just stop outside.
People with this radiator, I would really appriciate it if one you you could open the can and snap a picture. I dont think you would even have to drain any fluid.
Please, please, please. pretty please
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I have a concert to go to tonight. I will see what i can do.Maybe have pics tomorrow.
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Yes I see they are back in stock well I bought this one http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...=STRK:MEWNX:IT
could not wait 2 days ffs.... arghh!
I hope it will be ok.
could not wait 2 days ffs.... arghh!
I hope it will be ok.
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Most of the champions that were initially produced had SAE threads in them. So they send metric adapters with them. I also heard that the issue has reached China and have fixed the thread itself.
So if you have a 82 car , u have to find the adapter yourself
If not your good unless you get one of the old stock (which is impossible since these were selling like hotcakes)
SO check with seller
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I have a concert to go to tonight. I will see what i can do.Maybe have pics tomorrow.
Today 02:50 PM
I have a concert to go to tonight. I will see what i can do.Maybe have pics tomorrow.
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Re: So you guys want a bolt in all aluminum 3 core radiator?
The issue is that 82 cars came with SAE threads instead of metric. 83 onwards they used metric.
Most of the champions that were initially produced had SAE threads in them. So they send metric adapters with them. I also heard that the issue has reached China and have fixed the thread itself.
So if you have a 82 car , u have to find the adapter yourself
If not your good unless you get one of the old stock (which is impossible since these were selling like hotcakes)
SO check with seller
Most of the champions that were initially produced had SAE threads in them. So they send metric adapters with them. I also heard that the issue has reached China and have fixed the thread itself.
So if you have a 82 car , u have to find the adapter yourself
If not your good unless you get one of the old stock (which is impossible since these were selling like hotcakes)
SO check with seller
so since u say these rads are made with sae threads and my 82 should have sae threads then i should be good?. sorry im a noob with mechanics.
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Ok, just bought mine so we'll see what happens. I don't know when I'll get to install it but maybe I'll take some pics when I do.
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Be sure to let us know about the tranny adapters if needed or if they come with all the radiators now. Who did you buy from?
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Will do. I bought it from ledfoot_racing on ebay. Seems everyone is happy who bought the different champion radiators and his feedback is 100% so it looks good.
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So depending what transmission cooler lines thread you got make sure to get (or not get) the adapters.
The thing I know for sure is the adapters are brass Metric F X SAE M.