$58 3-Bar Patch, WB Patch, & VE Patch? - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

92GTA · 10-21-2004, 10:16 PM

Right now I'm running an $8D bin with the Upper VE table patch and the DIY WB patch. I'm ready to do the conversion to a 749 pinned 730 and run the $58 with a 3 bar map and start tuning for N/A operation so I'm ready when I go to install the ProCharger.

I searched the SyTy boards for the 3-bar patch and I found both the 3-bar and WB patch however they were in a .pat which I have no clue how to use, I've been working with the .asm file format for patching thus far. I also did a search here and came up empty. I checked Craigs file server and came up empty there too

Also what's the deal with the $58 code? The VE table only goes up to 4000RPM. How does it work above that?

Does anybody here have these .asm files that I need or know where I can get them? I'd like to go the $60 route and add patches to that but I can't get Grumpy to send me a copy so Grumpy, if you are reading this please hook me up so I can start learning more. I really need something for CA emissions which I means I need everything working and will eventually need either a $60 based custom bin or I'll need to buy an aftermarket DFI setup which I don't want to do.

Thanks!

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gta324 · 10-22-2004, 12:47 AM

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Also what's the deal with the $58 code? The VE table only goes up to 4000RPM. How does it work above that?

There is a table Ve adder vs rpm that takes care of that.....

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please hook me up so I can start learning more

I'm too is interested in that....

/N.

92GTA · 10-24-2004, 02:34 PM

So nobody knows of a DIY WB patch for the $58? I got ahold of a 3-bar bin but I still need the .asm file for the WB patch...

RBob · 10-24-2004, 04:53 PM

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Originally posted by 92GTA
So nobody knows of a DIY WB patch for the $58? I got ahold of a 3-bar bin but I still need the .asm file for the WB patch...

There is one on Moates site. Look for DIG_WB00*.

RBob.

92GTA · 10-24-2004, 10:18 PM

Found it there, awsome :rockon:

Thank You :hail:

skwayb · 10-29-2004, 01:39 PM

I helped test serveral Code $58 Linear Wideband 02 patches for Dig. You can get them at

http://digware.lunarpages.com/digware/wb.html

We are workin on redoing the DIY-WBo2 patch but his old one works that is on Moates site.

92GTA · 10-29-2004, 09:09 PM

OK I'm a little confused. I'm going to be using the Zeitronix Zt-2 and using it's analog WB output for this. Is that the same as a linear output

I mean which of those patches should I use? I patched the one from Moates thinking it would work but I want to be sure....

Thanks!

skwayb · 10-30-2004, 01:09 AM

Well the Zeitronix is non linear so it would work with the DIY-Wbo2 patch but you would probably need to edit the voltage to afr values to match the output of it. I looked on the Zeitronix's site and I couldn't find a table showing the voltage to afr comparison. So long as the output of the Zeitronix matches these values, the afr data will be good. Otherwise it is meaningless.

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This is the DIY-EFI WB table:
The DIY-WB Controller Vout Table for Gasoline
Vout Lambda AFR FAR
1.40 0.685 10.08 0.099
1.45 0.695 10.23 0.098
1.50 0.706 10.38 0.096
1.55 0.716 10.53 0.095
1.60 0.727 10.69 0.094
1.65 0.738 10.86 0.092
1.70 0.750 11.03 0.091
1.75 0.761 11.20 0.089
1.80 0.774 11.38 0.088
1.85 0.787 11.57 0.086
1.90 0.800 11.76 0.085
1.95 0.813 11.96 0.084
2.00 0.827 12.17 0.082
2.05 0.842 12.38 0.081
2.10 0.857 12.60 0.079
2.15 0.872 12.83 0.078
2.20 0.889 13.07 0.077
2.25 0.905 13.31 0.075
2.30 0.923 13.57 0.074
2.35 0.941 13.84 0.072
2.40 0.959 14.11 0.071
2.45 0.979 14.40 0.069
2.50 1.00 14.70 0.068 *
2.55 1.037 15.25 0.066
2.60 1.077 15.84 0.063
2.65 1.121 16.48 0.061
2.70 1.168 17.18 0.058
2.75 1.219 17.93 0.056
2.80 1.276 18.76 0.053
2.85 1.337 19.66 0.051
2.90 1.405 20.66 0.048

4.00 Free Air
* = Stoichiometric Point AFR = Air/Fuel Ratio FAR = Fuel/Air Ratio

The new linear patches I helped test were for using a formula to calculate the afr from the voltage output instead of using a look up table. (example voltage*2 + 9 = afr is the formula for the techedge output). It is more accurate than the look up table but can still be off if you have a voltage difference beteen the WBo2 and the ECM ground. As long as your WBo2 controller is grounded where the ECM is that difference should be close to 0 so that AFR should be close (within .1).

Paul Schwab
93 Black/Black Typhoon #424
www.nwstp.com

92GTA · 10-30-2004, 01:35 AM

Here is it from their site:

Looks right to me so it should work with the DIY WB patch just fine.

EDIT: Nevermind, it is a little off the farther you get from 14.7 in both directions, and when the .asm file looks like this:

; lookup table
;

ORG $FB70

LFB70: FCB $64
FCB $65
FCB $65
FCB $66
FCB $66
FCB $67
FCB $67
FCB $68
FCB $68
FCB $69
FCB $6A
FCB $6A
FCB $6B
FCB $6C
FCB $6C
FCB $6D
FCB $6D
FCB $6E
FCB $6F
FCB $70
FCB $71
FCB $71
FCB $72
FCB $72
FCB $73
FCB $74
FCB $75
FCB $76
FCB $77
FCB $78
FCB $78
FCB $79
FCB $7A
FCB $7B
FCB $7B
FCB $7C
FCB $7D
FCB $7E
FCB $7F
FCB $80
FCB $81
FCB $82
FCB $82
FCB $83
FCB $84
FCB $85
FCB $86
FCB $87
FCB $89
FCB $8A
FCB $8B
FCB $8C
FCB $8D
FCB $8E
FCB $8F
FCB $90
FCB $92
FCB $93
FCB $95
FCB $97
FCB $98
FCB $9B
FCB $9D
FCB $9F
FCB $A2
FCB $A5
FCB $A7
FCB $AA
FCB $AD
FCB $B0
FCB $B3
FCB $B9

; eof ;

I'm not going to have any clue how to make adjustments to it's more accurate. How do you decifer that stuff

BTW, I read that using the WB patched bin sets off the SES light, is that true? Is there a fix if so? I wanted to just run the patched bin permanently...

RBob · 10-30-2004, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by 92GTA
Here is it from their site:

Looks right to me so it should work with the DIY WB patch just fine.

EDIT: Nevermind, it is a little off the farther you get from 14.7 in both directions, and when the .asm file looks like this:

; lookup table
;

ORG $FB70

LFB70: FCB $64
FCB $65
FCB $65
FCB $66
.
.
.

I'm not going to have any clue how to make adjustments to it's more accurate. How do you decifer that stuff

BTW, I read that using the WB patched bin sets off the SES light, is that true? Is there a fix if so? I wanted to just run the patched bin permanently...

Last question first. . . The DIG_WB00 patch won't turn on the SES light. There are other WB patches that do this, not this one.

The table above is a look up that converts the ADC value to a AFR value (AFR * 10). Seeing it in hex doesn't help, converting the first couple of entries to decimal we get:

FCB $65 = 101
FCB $65 = 101
FCB $66 = 102

Then add the decimal point (divide the value by 10):

FCB $65 = 101 = 10.1 AFR
FCB $65 = 101 = 10.1 AFR
FCB $66 = 102 = 10.2 AFR

To convert the table get the Zeitronix AFR vs. volts and the DIY-WB table (posted above) and change the lookup table to match the Zeitronix data.

The DIY-WB is 1.4 volts at 10.08 AFR. That would be the first two entries that I showed. If the Zeitronix is 11.0 AFR at 1.4 volts then change the first two table entries to 110 ( $6E hex).

Do the whole table and your done.

RBob.

92GTA · 10-31-2004, 01:42 AM

Ok, before I do all that how about I just use the "Raw Data output" patch from dig's site and then create a lookup table in my TunerPro RT ads file that will convert the raw voltage data into the correct AFR based on the Zeitronix graph? Will that work because I'd rather do it that way...

skwayb · 11-01-2004, 05:29 PM

One of the test patches I have dumps the raw data to the egr target field. Let me double check the ones dig put up and see if they do also. If so then you are set and can use that for your look up table in Tuner Pro. I think I might also have a test patch that dumps the raw output to the afr target field. We were using this to make sure we were getting data before passing it through the formula.

92GTA · 11-01-2004, 07:17 PM

Awesome, thank you! Please check and let me know. I'd like to have the raw output in the target AFR field...

Thanks!

skwayb · 11-04-2004, 02:33 AM

Well the only ones I have (which are on Digs site) dump the RAW to the egr target field. You could use that and rename the field in tuner pro.

Let me see if I can figure something out and get the raw to just display in the afr target field.

92GTA · 11-04-2004, 11:07 AM

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Originally posted by skwayb
Let me see if I can figure something out and get the raw to just display in the afr target field.

Thank you so much, that would be totally awesome! Thank you :hail: :hail: :hail:

skwayb · 11-04-2004, 09:01 PM

Dig just made a version that is RAW output in the AFR field. He has it up on his site. You can download it at:

http://digware.lunarpages.com/digware/wb.html

I haven't tested it yet but will check it out over the weekend with some other patches I am testing for him. Let me know if you run into any problems.

92GTA · 11-04-2004, 10:19 PM

I downloaded the zip from the link that said "Raw Data Ouput" but the file inside was just a .txt not a .asm and I'm confused on what to do. This is all that was in the .txt:

0007C2:01,84
0007DC:01,84
0014C6:86,50,BD,FB,39
003B39:bd,f4,b3,36,37,4f,bd
003B40:f4,b3,b7,01,84,c6,64,3d,89,00,8b,5a,24,02,86,ff,b7,01,a0,33,32,39

What do I do with just that? I opened up the other .asm file I have to maybe replace it's lookup table with the above but it doesn't match at all. I'm confused

skwayb · 11-04-2004, 10:28 PM

You need to also Download the patcher.exe from this page:

http://digware.lunarpages.com/digware/patch.html

Run it in DOS with this syntax to patch your BIN with the text file you downloaded. Then it is all set. This only works for standard Syty Sized Bins. So it doesn't work with Code 60 BIns since they are 32k in size.

patcher c:\mybindir\mychipbin.bin c:\patcher\ptchfile.txt

Let me know if you have any problems.

Paul Schwab
93 Black/Black Typhoon #424
www.nwstp.com

92GTA · 11-04-2004, 10:49 PM

Alright I just patched it. All went great. After patching I removed the .pch extension and opened the new bin in TunerPro, hit save and it calculated a new checksum. Looks good. I'll make my ads file lookup table using Zeitronix's graph as a guide then I'll post it here for others to see/use and check for accuracy if it's wrong. I won't be able to real life test it for a couple weeks...

Thanks!

92GTA · 11-04-2004, 11:25 PM

OK, here is a quick draft of what my TunerPro ads AFR lookup table looks like:

2, 9.60
3, 9.80
4, 10.00
5, 10.20
6, 10.30
7, 10.35
8, 10.60
9, 10.70
10, 10.80
11, 11.00
12, 11.30
13, 11.50
14, 11.70
15, 11.90
16, 12.10
17, 12.40
18, 12.60
19, 12.80
20, 13.10
21, 13.40
22, 13.80
23, 14.20
24, 14.40
25, 14.70 - 2.5v/14.7AFR
26, 15.20
27, 15.70
28, 17.70
29, 18.40
30, 18.80
31, 19.30
32, 19.80
33, 21.20

The Zeitronix graph starts at 0.02volts and ends at 3.3 so that is what I started and ended with. I noticed when I make a lookup table in TunerPro it uses "counts" as it's base so the first entry which is simply 2 counts I take to mean 0.02v in this instance and 33 counts to be 3.3v, does that seem correct?

Also I still use pin F14 on the 749 for this to display in the Target AFR field right?

To be more accurate I'm going to import the Zeitronix graph into PhotoShop and make grids narrowing down each AFR so that I can be sure for example that 0.07v is 13.5AFR and not 13.4 or 13.6...

Here is a quick screenshot of what I have:

gta324 · 11-05-2004, 12:52 AM

Some of the links at http://digware.lunarpages.com/digware/wb.html
doesnt work.

Would love to use my LM1 connected to the ECM, and get all the values in the same scan.... But the new LM-Logwork is pretty cool...

/N.

92GTA · 11-09-2004, 12:25 AM

Can anyone verify if I'm on the right track as far as how many counts equals how many volts in my TunerPro lookup table?

RBob · 11-09-2004, 07:55 AM

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Originally posted by 92GTA
Can anyone verify if I'm on the right track as far as how many counts equals how many volts in my TunerPro lookup table?

On a P4 each ADC count is .02 volts (20mV). So a count of 119 is:

119 * .02 = 2.38 volts.

RBob.

92GTA · 11-09-2004, 12:50 PM

Thanks RBob!

Alex

gta324 · 12-02-2004, 09:15 AM

On what pin is the WBO2 connected on?

Link doesnt wotk on Digs page...

/N.

ty1295 · 12-02-2004, 11:20 AM

f14

Mark A 91Formula · 12-05-2004, 03:19 PM

Just curious about your table setup, why only 36 for the table size? I did the same thing with the zeitronix unit and the lookup table sometime in September, but I used a table size of 256, used the limited values zeitronix gave and roughed out the table. Seemed to work good and accurate with the limited testing I was able to get done.

92GTA · 12-06-2004, 02:43 AM

36 was before RBob said that one ADC count is .02 volts. Now I've since re-done it...

Glad to hear it working well for you. I've still haven't re-wired and run the $58 yet, still using the $8D. I smog in just 2 weeks then I'll be finally upgrading...

vernw · 01-01-2005, 05:59 PM

So, has anyone gotten this kind of thing to work with a 7730 running $8d and a linear outout WB? That's what I need.... (if possible)

anesthes · 09-18-2005, 11:08 PM

Anyone have a binary version or source version of
the patched lines so I can shoehorn this into $60?

I can dissasemble a $58 binary, patch it, then dif the dissasembled versions to get the source differences (with GNU diff) but I'm _sure_ someone allready did it

-- Joe

1981TTA · 09-19-2005, 12:24 AM

I'm sure *someone* has something you can use.....

Actually, I'd offered to do this to $60 last spring when I started working on $59 and the multiple WB support changes. At the time (and I know it was a long time ago), Grumpy was asking that further changes to $60 be held off until the changes that were already there were completely tested. Since there seemed to be little interest in this functionality as per only one person offering to test the $59 code, I never pursued this any further.

Also, I think $60 already has the ability to read the TPS2 input. The raw value is saved to $0185. Depending on what you had in mind, this might work for you as-is? If not, let me know and we'll get the $59 changes into $60. (Assuming Grumpy's OK with this....)

anesthes · 09-19-2005, 12:57 AM

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Originally posted by 1981TTA
I'm sure *someone* has something you can use.....

Actually, I'd offered to do this to $60 last spring when I started working on $59 and the multiple WB support changes.

What is $59?

-- Joe

Z69 · 09-19-2005, 01:53 AM

If you dig around you'll find a post by Bruce about 58 source code. He posted an asm file he'd been working on forever.
Has mostly cal area commented. IIRC it has $59 in it somewhere for the ID.
I can't find my copy now to give you a file name.

1981TTA · 09-19-2005, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by anesthes
What is $59?

-- Joe

Details are here : http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthre...hreadid=263280

$59 has been modified as per the following :
1) Expanded from 16k to 32k
2) Rbob V8 EGR fix
3) Support for almost all WBO2 sensors via calibration. AFR conversion done within the ECM rather than in scanning software

The main difference in approach as compared to $60 was to keep as much of the "stock" functionality intact (such as A/C) while adding additional functionality as it was needed. $60 makes more of an effort to simplify things by removing this type of logic.