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The Lockers hardware has been redesigned and combined with a ROMLess C3 TBI Little Board. This means that it fits inside of the ECM, IOW: embedded within the ECM. All surface mount (except EPROM and NETRES/CALPAK) means a compact board with a drop in form factor. The Embedded Lockers board uses high speed CMOS devices for low power consumption and high noise immunity. A solid robust design for years of reliability.
Included with the Embedded Lockers system is Jon Prevost's data logging and display software (the HUD). As a joint effort between Jon and myself the best of two combine forces.
The Ultimate TBI code (a licensed copy is included with each Embedded Lockers board) has much improved functionality. High resolution VE, AE, PE, knock, and spark tables, along with many other enlarged tables (too many to list). This provides better control and a smoother running engine over the stock TBI code. Code support for VATs, soft RPM and MPH limits, Valet mode, VAFPR compensation, improved IAC idle control routines, sync AE fuel control, improved spark control, again, the list goes on.
Small stuff too, such as linear IAT and CTS values for all functions. Blending of the IAT and CTS for improved fueling with cold air induction. Support for Y-Body digital dashes (ALDL stream). Nitrous wet flow system control, N-Alpha control, electric fan control, smart A/C compressor control, a hardware output that goes active when in PE mode (can be used for opening air cleaner flaps or increasing the alternator voltage, or even illuminating an LED).
Combined with Jon's Windows based data logging and display software this is the ultimate TBI system. There is a Setup Wizard to guide users through the first bin. This Wizard prompts with questions that allow an initial bin to be set up. No need to go through each and every calibration parameter for that first bin. The display software is a combination of a digital dash and graphing package. It is the same as Jon has posted images of on TGO.
What is Lockers? It is a state of the art data logging system. The Lockers board transmits the ECM's 256 bytes of RAM 17 times a second through a serial link (57.6KB). From there the logging software uses that data to display every vital ECM parameter there is: PW, SA, knock retard, delta TPS AE, delta MAP AE, accumulated miles, accumulated PW (for MPG calcs), MPH, RPM, TPS%, MAP KPa, CTS, IAT, blended IAT/CTS, BLM, INT, everything the ECM uses is available.
On top of that the Embedded Lockers board has 8 10-bit ADC channels (0-5 volts) that are transmitted in real time with the ECM data. This allows the logging of a WB unit, EGT units, accelerometers, fuel pressure transducers. Basically, any 0-5 volt device can be data logged along with the rest of the ECM RAM variables.
Lockers can be used with today's emulator products. Base EPROM size is 128kb, a 256kb EPROM is plug in compatible.
So where is it now? The new design has been prototyped and tested. Jon's software has been in use for ages. The Embedded Lockers board is in the final stages of PCB layout. Once that is completed it's off to the board house. We still need to clean up some odds and ends, but this is no vaporware, it's the real deal. No pricing as of yet, but it will be reasonable.
For anyone using or considering a TBI setup, this is the way to go.
RBob.
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Originally posted by robertfrank YOU ARE MY ***!where do i sign up?is this going to be used with prominator ,autoprom or both?
It can be used with any of those devices. The EPROM socket is in an open area that can easily be accessed. There will be ECU and XDF definition files available immediately. A TDF file will follow.
You son of a gun. You and Jon went and did it. Congrats. I can tell you the enhanced resolution for VE is a *** send when you have a modded Xfire. So I could use my Moates "Ostrich" with this?
is there an approx. cost in mind yet just so i know if its out of reach and if i should just try and get the tunning stuff and jump in...but it sounds like the king of all prom mods for the 7747, and 8746 ecm
Hot damn !!!! I knew there was a reason you were keeping hush hush about the speedreader. I'll take one even if I have to sell a liver. Go ahead double whatever your asking price was going to be, I'll pay it!!!! This is just intime for my new motor build over the winter.
But I use Rauchers lockers on my TTA with the 148 and I will say, if you dont have a lokcers board already, put this on your list of things to own if u have one.
Originally posted by DM91RS How does the serial link hookup?
DM
It is a 2-wire RS-232 output with a MAX232 on board. Just plug it into the laptop serial port or USB to serial adaptor. The Embedded Lockers board transmits data whenever it is powered up. This makes it real easy to log the data.
do u even have a price range in mind if its close i may hold off on some stuff before i dive into the tuning and get this when its released all i need is a base price....and will this also burn chips or is it just a dataloggin program i dont understand all the features u listed
Originally posted by RBob It is a 2-wire RS-232 output with a MAX232 on board. Just plug it into the laptop serial port or USB to serial adaptor. The Embedded Lockers board transmits data whenever it is powered up. This makes it real easy to log the data.
RBob.
Kool..........can this be run through Craig's ALDU1 box?
Re: Embedded Lockers, HUD, and the Ultimate TBI code
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Originally posted by RBob
A) Small stuff too, such as linear IAT and CTS values for all functions. Blending of the IAT and CTS for improved fueling with cold air induction.
B) What is Lockers? It is a state of the art data logging system.
A) Small stuff,
Ya, all those ugly little detail things, that make it all worth while.
B) Talk about an understatement. I've been using the *old* Lockers for years, and when all's been said, and done, when I want to get the data I want, out comes *Lockers*. 20-30 mis of datalogging (at 17 frames a sec), and then being able to sit down and look for all the lil issues is just invaluable, well, at least to me.
FWIW, I have one for the ecm bench, and one that rides along in the car, and now, I'm buying 2 of the new ones.
Originally posted by justlearning do u even have a price range in mind if its close i may hold off on some stuff before i dive into the tuning and get this when its released all i need is a base price....and will this also burn chips or is it just a dataloggin program i dont understand all the features u listed
Can't give a price yet, it's one of those odds and ends we are working out.
Doesn't burn chips, will still need a burner or emulator to use with it. What the Embedded Lockers provides is three fold: a high speed data acquisition system, a logging/display software for the PC/laptop, and the actual code that runs in the ECM.
The data acquisition system sends the ECM information along with some ADC channels to the PC/Laptop logging/display software. This software can log this data to disk and/or display the information on a graphical display.
As for the actual code, the Ultimate TBI code, this is what runs the engine. It has been enhanced and re-written to provide the functionality required for low, medium, and high performance engines. As an example there are two VE tables, a low RPM table and a high RPM table.
The low RPM table goes from 400 to 2000 RPM with a row every 100 RPM. The MAP increments are 20 to 65 KPa every 5 KPa, then 70 to 100 KPA every 10 KPa.
With this level of resolution the engine runs better. Smoother and more responsive. The high RPM table has RPM resolution of every 200 RPM from 2000 to 3600 RPM, then every 400 RPM from there to 6375 RPM.
Many of the other tables have been increased in size. These items provide the tuner the flexability required to have a greater running vehicle.
Edit in additional answers:
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Originally posted by 89 Iroc Z Got any pics?
No pics yet. As soon as the layout is complete I'll post a scan of the silkscreen. This will show the size and shape of the PCB. Basically, it is twice as deep and the same width as the current little board. With the rear half narrower to clear the ECM heat sink.
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Originally posted by DM91RS through Craig's ALDU1 box?
It just may work with the ALDU1 box. There is another serial output that is +5 volts. I had dropped that on for future uses. If the ALDU1 box will operate at 57.6 kb then it should work.
As for which ECMs this will work with. At this time I know of 5 that share the same hardware:
1228746
1227747
1228063
1228747
1228062
There may be others. The Embedded Lockers system turns off the on board ROMs. In this manner it runs just the U-TBI code, so all of the above ECMs become the same.
oh so ur saying it will allow for better loggin than our orriginal 160 baud that only shows a few points etc...that sounds good and so does the code, so this code will be a .xdf then to use w/ tunner pro also or will there be many formats but all in all sounds like a great tool
Originally posted by RBob Can't give a price yet, it's one of those odds and ends we are working out.
Doesn't burn chips, will still need a burner or emulator to use with it. What the Embedded Lockers provides is three fold: a high speed data acquisition system, a logging/display software for the PC/laptop, and the actual code that runs in the ECM.
The data acquisition system sends the ECM information along with some ADC channels to the PC/Laptop logging/display software. This software can log this data to disk and/or display the information on a graphical display.
As for the actual code, the Ultimate TBI code, this is what runs the engine. It has been enhanced and re-written to provide the functionality required for low, medium, and high performance engines. As an example there are two VE tables, a low RPM table and a high RPM table.
The low RPM table goes from 400 to 2000 RPM with a row every 100 RPM. The MAP increments are 20 to 65 KPa every 5 KPa, then 70 to 100 KPA every 10 KPa.
With this level of resolution the engine runs better. Smoother and more responsive. The high RPM table has RPM resolution of every 200 RPM from 2000 to 3600 RPM, then every 400 RPM from there to 6375 RPM.
Many of the other tables have been increased in size. These items provide the tuner the flexability required to have a greater running vehicle.
Edit in additional answers:
No pics yet. As soon as the layout is complete I'll post a scan of the silkscreen. This will show the size and shape of the PCB. Basically, it is twice as deep and the same width as the current little board. With the rear half narrower to clear the ECM heat sink.
It just may work with the ALDU1 box. There is another serial output that is +5 volts. I had dropped that on for future uses. If the ALDU1 box will operate at 57.6 kb then it should work.
As for which ECMs this will work with. At this time I know of 5 that share the same hardware:
1228746
1227747
1228063
1228747
1228062
There may be others. The Embedded Lockers system turns off the on board ROMs. In this manner it runs just the U-TBI code, so all of the above ECMs become the same.
RBob.
Should work with the 299 then? It is almost identical to the 8062 and similar to the 7747.
I'd get it just if it would fix my A/C on idle when I shift it into park. It runs fine a 650. Drop it into gear it idles at 650. Turn the A/C on it idles at 650. Drop it into gear with the A/C on, drive it a little, then put it in park, Idle is up to 1,200 and stays. Turn the A/C off and it goes to 650, turn it back on 650. Aggitating to say the least.
Originally posted by BMmonteSS Ben, your not allowed to have one, you have to give the rest of us time to catch up
Aside from the nice engine, his PCM is lightyears ahead of the stock tbi ecms. Those have many of the features of RBobs ultimate tbi code, and much more. One thing they did in the code that I thought was neat, was temperature dependant AE filtering terms for the MAP and TPS. At cold temps, the filtering gets slower to allow the AE to stretch out a bit. Dont know if the UTBI has that yet or not, but Im keen to try it out.
The UTBI code should provide a huge boost compared the stock garbage thats currently in these ecms. Thats a big issue in itself.
Originally posted by dimented24x7
Aside from the nice engine, his PCM is lightyears ahead of the stock tbi ecms. Those have many of the features of RBobs ultimate tbi code, and much more. One thing they did in the code that I thought was neat, was temperature dependant AE filtering terms for the MAP and TPS. At cold temps, the filtering gets slower to allow the AE to stretch out a bit. Dont know if the UTBI has that yet or not, but Im keen to try it out.
The UTBI code should provide a huge boost compared the stock garbage thats currently in these ecms. Thats a big issue in itself.
Actually RBob's code has more performance oriented features than even the newer pcm's. The only thing the newer pcm's really have is the trans controls. I'd say the ultimate TBI code is the best for fuel and spark hands down. Make something more complicated and you'll spend more time getting it to work when it doesn't... this is the perfect blend. He's added features like fan control and nitrous control, PE mode output to let you know when you're wasting gas , sync AE, and believe it or not, better spark energy! I won't induldge any more "secrets" because it's not necessary only to say that it's a much better setup for the DIYer than the later pcm. No re-pinning required, just cut and maybe add a few wires.
Do the later pcm's give you a feature like dial-a-timing? The Ultimate TBI code does. Just hook up a trim pot, set it up the bounds in the code and you've got yourself a spark retard box. Heck, this thing has built in nitrous controls that retard the timing a set amount programmed by the user when active!!! The features included far surpase those of the later unless you don't need them. Even then this code is easier to program because it's completely documented NOW, not down the road. Don't take this the wrong way because I know the later code like 0D has some ways of doing things that could be implemented into the ultimate tbi code down the road. I don't know what as of yet but you just came up with a good one. The only problem with the AE thing is that you pretty much want AE to come in as quick as possible, not stretched out. This is why strong fuel pumps and large injectors are so useful. Grumpy's been preaching this for a while with port injection but it's even more important with TBI. You don't want to stretch out AE, you want it to follow the air so get it in and in FAST. Big injectors can do this and don't have to carry over to the next pulse . It's the only reason why I was running 28psi. Not because I needed that much fuel but because the AE was much better.
uggghhhh....just wish i had a general price even it it does change so i know how to budget my checks.....so does this upgrade the output to a quicker baud then too? so that u can actually get decent readings out of our 8746 ecms? im almost sold just need that price and a time it will be availible!! and about what will the system requirements be to run this on a laptop?
Originally posted by JPrevost . Grumpy's been preaching this for a while with port injection but it's even more important with TBI. You don't want to stretch out AE, you want it to follow the air so get it in and in FAST.
Here's a snippet from the latest tune on my car.
Note: 0 initial AE, then it ramps in, and then it *ENDS*!.
Like I've said, use just enough AE to get to PE.
Note: I probably can now even 0 out the "5" entries, but I have left them as just a cushion for that ocassional tank of bad gas.
Will the install require soldering? or will it just plug into the "mother board"? I'm just interested incase I ever have a ECM fry while on a road trip I would like to be able to swap the new board to whatever ecm I get from the parts store. If not it's no big deal I'll either just cary a spare or have a back up chip ready to slap into a stock ecm.
I hate to bug you about all the features, but is there a way to wire up a switch input for a dual stage rev limiter? How big of a stretch would it be to make one of these TBI ecm's run a multi-port setup? I know the injector firing schemese are completely different, is it as simple to swap between modes as the '749?
Originally posted by BMmonteSS Ben, your not allowed to have one, you have to give the rest of us time to catch up
LOL! I doubt I would swap back to a 7747, but i'd just like to play with one of these because it looks so damn cool!
The logging software looks nice too!
What port on the laptop does it use for logging?? USB/serial/parallel???
This is AWESOME! It is soooo good to see these things being developed for 'lowly' TBI.. I'm glad someone else thinks its worth the effort also.
Originally posted by JPrevost I don't know what as of yet but you just came up with a good one. The only problem with the AE thing is that you pretty much want AE to come in as quick as possible, not stretched out. This is why strong fuel pumps and large injectors are so useful. Grumpy's been preaching this for a while with port injection but it's even more important with TBI. You don't want to stretch out AE, you want it to follow the air so get it in and in FAST.
The AE stratagy uses variable, coolant based filter coefficients for the slow filtered map and tps term. This allowes the time that AE is in effect to be lenghtened or shortened, based on the temp. The AE still comes in as fast, but the duration and decay is tunable.
Obviously I dont think GM intended to run nitrous on their cargo trucks , but it does have alot of nice features. Some other features are derivative spark control. Not only does it have this for idle to allow dampening of the idle speed, but it also has a derivative SA control routine for use with a manual trans. This, in theory, helps smooth the engine operation and reduce bucking. Theres also teh usual full sized VE and SA tables, etc. The real leg up that it has, IMO, is nice hardware such as lots of A/D and several timer inputs. Its fully interrupt driven so there are timer input and output compares. The TICs generate interrupts based on some periodic input, such as, say, a MAF . This can then be used for high res. pulse accumulation. The timer outputs can be used to generate periodic, timed interrupt driven output, or just a timed interrupt. One use I can think of for that, if the output is enabled, is a computer driven speedo.
Theres definatly alot of nice stuff in there that could be incorperated into UTBI. I hope your ecms came hungry
Originally posted by ben73 LOL! I doubt I would swap back to a 7747, but i'd just like to play with one of these because it looks so damn cool!
The logging software looks nice too!
What port on the laptop does it use for logging?? USB/serial/parallel???
This is AWESOME! It is soooo good to see these things being developed for 'lowly' TBI.. I'm glad someone else thinks its worth the effort also.
Yeah, I really dig the datalogging package. Its really slick.
Originally posted by BMmonteSS Will the install require soldering? or will it just plug into the "mother board"? I'm just interested incase I ever have a ECM fry while on a road trip I would like to be able to swap the new board to whatever ecm I get from the parts store. If not it's no big deal I'll either just cary a spare or have a back up chip ready to slap into a stock ecm.
I hate to bug you about all the features, but is there a way to wire up a switch input for a dual stage rev limiter? How big of a stretch would it be to make one of these TBI ecm's run a multi-port setup? I know the injector firing schemese are completely different, is it as simple to swap between modes as the '749?
here comes the feature creep...
The inejctor drivers are pretty much static in the ecms. Tehy fire autonomously based on DRPs. Id say its possible for a PCM to do both, but I really dont have the tools to experiment and see to what extent the injector drivers are under its control.
Originally posted by dimented24x7
Obviously I dont think GM intended to run nitrous on their cargo trucks , but it does have alot of nice features.
Theres definatly alot of nice stuff in there that could be incorperated into UTBI. I hope your ecms came hungry
Heck, the AutoTune function alone is worth the price of admission.
At $3/gal, it should save a ton in driving around and re-calc'ing the VE tables.
RBob,
I presume all the PID controls are available as part of the UTBI code?
To awnser some of my own questions and add to what the u-tbi code can do here are some quotes I doug up from Rbob's previous comments on the software.
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Along with having a high speed data logging capability, the SpeedReader is also capable of being ROMLess.
Is there any interest in being able to run enhanced software in the ECM? This would include items such as dual VE tables: a high resolution low speed table and a medium resolution high speed table. Same for the SA., a low speed table and an extended table.
Other supprted functionality includes VATS, electric fan, shift light, two stage rev-limiter, valet mode, A/C control, IAC startup postion (prevents flare on startup), PE SA based on transmission gear (manual trans only), idle control via SA, idle SA setting, AE vs. RPM, extended delta TPS AE table, IAT/CTS blend for fueling, transient open loop modes, lean cruise, N-Alpha mode, and a host of other goodies. Note that there is no EGR or CCP in this code. It does support both a stick tranny and an auto with a TCC.
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Funny thing is, is that on the $61 maskID ('8746) the IAT is used in the fueling to en-rich the AFR whenever the engine starts to overheat. . . . Nothing more.
Not so in the ultimate TBI code. Here the IAT is used in conjunction with the CTS in order to provide the proper inverse termperature term for the PW calculation. From cold start to noraml run temperature through overheat.
One thing to remember is that the ultimate TBI code is only 30% $42 code (maybe that much. . . ). It could just have easily been developed from $61 code; with the same results. IOW: forget the fact that it was originally '747 code. Because it is no longer even close to '747 code.
Comments on N2O control
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Ultimate TBI code for the SpeedReader has that: arming input, TPS% threshold, then an upper and lower RPM threshold (RPM window).
I'm sure there's more, but this is what I found on a quick search. Hope that saves you some typing!
I didn't find much more about Jon's HUD system other than his one thread. I guess I'm just getting antsy and can't get enough info.
Originally posted by BMmonteSS I didn't find much more about Jon's HUD system other than his one thread. I guess I'm just getting antsy and can't get enough info.
Not to be a DA but what does HUD stand for? I've missed that somewhere.
Originally posted by Fast355 Was that a jab at me?
I was thinking more along the lines of a 454 cargo truck with 'U-Haul' on the side of it.
As far as the autotune, is that a function of the HUD software? Thats where I saw it mentioned.
I was thinking of something in the actual computer itself that uses a WB-O2 with PID control. Could then have BLMs assigned to short spans of airflow or VE cells. For that matter one could make the AFRs in the ecm ratios of soich and have the ecm determine a global stoich afr from the WB data. Probably observing the direction/magnitude of the INT and the magnitude of the derivative term would tell the software when its time to update the global AFR. This would open the door for using E85. Could go right up to the pump and put whatever in and the computer would then emperically determine what the stoich AFR is for the fuel in use.
BTW, if its not too much trouble, RBob, can we have that, too?
Makes me want to go TBI 
This is just intime for my new motor build over the winter. 
, sync AE, and believe it or not, better spark energy! I won't induldge any more "secrets" because it's not necessary only to say that it's a much better setup for the DIYer than the later pcm. No re-pinning required, just cut and maybe add a few wires.
