robertfrank

well I've got my EBL Flash and I want to get started. What do I do first after I plug this thing in? What do I need to change to at least get the thing running? If I could atleast get it to run like stock for now and then start tweaking that would be ok. what do I do?

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ZZ4 cam AND Aluminum New "463" casting ZZ4 heads installing after I learn how to tune.

RBob

First thing to do after plugging it in is to check the data connection. Key-on, engine-off, fire up the WUD. Move the go-pedal and see if TPS% gauge moves with it. All OK? Good, go to the Flash display and try reading a bank out of the EBL Flash system. Works? Cool.

Can now set up a BIN to start off with. In the EBL_Information.html doc there is a list of items that should be checked/set in the BIN. Such as the Initial SA, BPC, re-limiters, and so on. If the CD has a BINs folder you can start with BIN EBL_F_0016.BIN. This is the closest to your current vehicle.

Otherwise you can start with the EBL_F_TB.BIN file. The SA may be a little high for LO3 heads but it is a good start.

Flash the BIN you checked/set into the EBL Flash system. Start a datalog, and a VE Learn session, turn the key & start the engine. Drive it around a bit (no flooring it!), get the engine up to temperature, then after about 10 minutes of driving pull over and check the VE Learn.

If Learn is OK, then stop it, and flash that BIN into the EBL Flash. Start new learn & datalog and continue.

RBob.

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robertfrank

How will I know it's ok? will it give me a warning or something?

RBob

Just look at the corrections table on the display. Was areas learned in and if the corrections look reasonable.

RBob.

robertfrank

Sorry but I'm a complete noob when it comes to tuning. As in reasonable, what are the first things to look for? Also, I don't have an EGR valve or a Charcoal canister. How do I turn those two things off in the EBL?

Ronny

I dont have my RonEBL.bin here at office but I beleive you set the enable temp for EGR to a verry high number like 250 deg F. Also I believe there might be a spark adv table for EGR that you may wish to zero out. also there are some flags for MALF that you uncheck so there is no error code. With ther EBL I believe RBob gives you a help manual that may suggest some of the changes one needs to do day one.

robertfrank

I was looking at my BINs and I noticed that thereisn't anything for an 88 tbi camaro. So the EBL_F_0016.BIN should work ok? Also I think I might have made a mistake on how my laptop reads my BINs. I accidentally made it use the WORDPAD to be able to see them. How can I fix this and what program on my laptop should I use to read them?

Ronny

The only .bin that work with EBL are EBL.bins. I believe when I did the EBL thing RBob only offerred one. That was specific for a 305 auto F Body. I needed to change it for 350 cid and manual trans. Now I see he offers more than one. I think the other is more aggressive spark table. Not sure if he offers several(Suburban, etc.)

robertfrank

Ok I got everything plugged in and now its saying "Cannot read Configuration File D:\EBL_WhatsUp.cfg" When I try to get it to VE learn and save a new BIN to create it's telling me that I don't have permission to access the file. or it says that cannot open COM port. But I was able to start the car and it ran, albeit like ****. However it did let me flash the "0016" BIN but thats primarily it. It won't even let me datalog.what am I doing wrong?

RFmaster

Ronny
For a heavy vehicle, with 350, I just mimicked ASDU SA tables as a starting point. VE learns dialed in fueling and KS counts took care of areas were advance was too aggressive. As with any tuning going slow at the beginning is a norm. I still have couple areas were I get excessive KS counts, perhaps because it got too lean, but then again Cali gas is crappy to begin with.

//RF

robertfrank

Ok I got everything up and running and I'm confused. I set up the datalog and the VE learn so I can create a new BIN. How do I save it? Where are the new BIN's supposed to go?

robertfrank

One more question. Do I need tunerpro to tune with this? How do I use it in conjunction with the EBL?

RBob

When you started the datalog and the VE Learn there was a dialog box that asked what filename & path (folder) to place the new log/bin files. That is where they will be found.

For saving the files, don't really need to do that. Just stopping the data logging or the VE Learn will finish out the file and close it. Even closing the WUD program or shutting down Windows will cause them to be saved. It's fairly fool proof. Short of a Windows crash the files will be closed out and saved.

The only thing required after a VE Learn is to flash it into an EBL Flash bank for use.

RBob.

RBob

Tuner Pro works, others use WinBIN. Short of the VE Learn all changes to the calibration are made via an editor. To use Tuner Pro (TP) start the TP program, then go to XDF (top menu) and select the EBL XDF file.

Then File->Open Bin for the BIN you want to change.

Left side of screen has the constants, flags & tables listed with the same titles as found in the EBL_Calibration.html doc.

Double click on one to open the editing window, make the required changes, then save. Then FIle->Save Bin. Don't forget to save the bin, easy to do.

Then with the WUD flash the newly updated BIN into a EBL Flash bank.

Note that using the PromID within the BIN lets you easily keep track of your BINs. That value is also displayed on the main WUD screens.

RBob.

robertfrank

Well I have tunerproRT now and I'm abit clueless. what are the first things I should do with this? What should I change to the BIN first? I know I sound like a Noob but,e hey that's what I am when it comes to this tuning thing.

Ronny

Quote: ZZ4 cam AND Aluminum New "463" casting ZZ4 heads installing after I learn how to tune.

That is a good thing. I pur cart before horse and did the cam and heads b4 I learned to tune. It would appear your engine matchs up with EBL.bin so there may be little to change b4 first datalog. I would start with car in CL fully warmed and see what the VE Learn is doing at idle and then up the rpm range under no load(park). That learn will give you insight as to what future learns will provide. Then redo Learn while car in motion on level road on a easy cruise. You may see trend. Contine redo of Learns and try to capture all rpm/map cells as possible. You may need to lock in 1-2-3 gear to hit a learn at higher rpm w/o trans shifting. you have it easy with VELearn. Years back I needed to produce the .bin corrections with a datalog and manual correction/burn to .bin. Once BLM is in order then you can work on AE as that may need to be tweeked. Check out "free tune" thread in stickies.

robertfrank

Now can I do this with tunerproRT? In the EGR SA column so I just type in 0and save? And the enable temp, do I do that in the CTS column? What would I have to do in the max tps and DC% step size areas?

Also I don't have a charcoal canister or a VSS. what will I have to do in these areas?

robertfrank

Anybody?

Ronny

In Tunerpro there is a table or constant that allows you to set EGR enable temp. I set mine to a high enable temp. I recall there is a spark advance table as well. Just look top to bottom in tables or constants for "EGR".

Max TPS? You found that for EGR? If so, nothing, as it was disabled with the coolant temp at 250. DC? Is that for EGR? if so I dont think you need to touch it as EGR disabled for high temp. Maybe same is true for EGR SA? Not sure. wont hurt to set to zero.

robertfrank

Ok I did that. I went to option word 4 bit 7- EGR because I did a search and found that if I unchecked the box the EBL won't even look for the EGR, it was already unchecked. also I set the EGR-enable CTS threshold temp to 151.25 C. and set the EGR- SA to 0. Is that all I need to do with that? Also about the CCP and VSS. what would I have to do to make sure that those aren't causing an issue do to the fact I don't have them? Do I have to set the CCP CTS enable threshold to its maxium to delete it?

robertfrank

Heeeelllloooooo! anybody?, I have searched and I have read the stickies and I haven't found an answer.

Ronny

CPP. I would agree set enable temp high. I think there is a bit to uncheck as well? Also unplug the line to TBI. Not sure if the line itself should be plugged. My line is unplugged currently. this is for VELearn only. Otherwise I believe it should be kept functional. My car does not have VSS so I cannot comment. I will guess set at 200 mph?
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Did you locate the "helpfull tips" help section on RBobs CD?

robertfrank

yes i did, and while it was helpful; I can't find alot of the answers I've been looking for.

brokenparts

btt, I'm running into some of the same issues as robertfrank. I'm also looking to turn off my EGR, VSS, and IAT because I do not have them. How do I go about doing this. I can not find the specific tables/menus/etc in turnerpro.

RBob

There is a large thread on tuning with the EBL:

http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/di...uning-ebl.html (Tuning with the EBL)

It may (will!!) take a while to read, however, it is a treasure trove of information.

For the items in Tuner Pro they are basically grouped together. The first part of the item name specifies what area it is for. The full name matches up with the names in the EBL_Calibration.html document.

For the VSS and IAT, just un-set the malfunction codes for each. With no IAT the ECM will create a default value. Can change that to something reasonable and continue to use the IAT/CTS blend. Or, change the IAT/CTS blend to all 100% for CTS only.

The EGR is either real easy, or tricky. Depends upon whether the actual hardware is still in place. If not there such as on a pre-EGR vehicle, just leave it un-selected (Option Word 4).

If the hardware is present and need to disable it for tuning the VE tables. Then select it and set the CTS enable threshold to 150 C. AND, need to properly set the NC/NO solenoid option. Both in Option Word 4.

If the solenoid passes vacuum with no power it is an NO device. If the solenoid blocks vacuum with no power it is an NC device. Get this reversed and the EGR will be on when it should be off and vice-versa.

RBob.

brokenparts

This is what gets lost in translation... I do not see or know how to find and locate the physical table or menu to do this action. How do un-set the mal code? Where do I find this?

Reasonable is also tough when I have no baseline to judge from?

I'm not trying to be a brat... just looking for info.
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Again, I'm not sure what Option word 4 is or where to select or deselect it.

RBob

When you open Tuner Pro there should be three windows on the left side. In these windows are listed the calibration parameters. If not, then click XDF (menu bar) and then Select XDF... Navigate to and select the EBL_V24.XDF file.

Then select the proper BIN file.

The left three windows from top to bottom is: individual values, flags, then tables of values.

If you are not sure which window it is in scroll through them. Then to open it for editing double click on that entry. Make the change and click save. Then File->Save Bin

Flags and such are either set or un-set. The values and tables can have new data typed in, or copy & pasted in.

RBob.

brokenparts