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Just purchased a Procharger for my GTA and don't want to run the FMU so I'm looking for other ways to control fuel. I discovered $59 and it sounds like it would work well but I am betting it will only work on a 730/749, right? Is there another solution for those with the 165 or do I need to swap in a 730/749?
My current hardware list
-39 lb injectors
-Ostrich 2.0
-G1 adapter
-ALDU1 + CABL1 combo
-TunerPro RT
-AEM Wideband O2
I was hoping that the Ostrich would allow me to run $59 but after more reading I doubt that is the case. I have read you can fudge the 100 kpa bins if you're running low enough boost, but I'd rather have a table that goes over 100 kpa. Any recommendations?
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you will probably be ahead of the game with the swap to a '730. the only gotcha is memcal availability these days.
there are a couple of cals out there that can run boost on the '165/808, but I can't remember who made them or what cals they are. I know they were based on the holden cals, so maybe $5D or something like that. this goes back a few years now.
there is a thread on the 59 board about trying to get it to work on the 808/165's but as of now I don't think it does. I believe dig is working on it. but don't know forsure. since your running a maf right? there's threads about putting a much bigger maf on. then it should be simple to tune for boost. as long as your not maxing it out.
heres an xdf for kalmaker so you can see some of the settings availiable doesnt take much to repin the 165 for map .the injector size and cylinder size definitions havnt got equations but i can sort it out if you want to use it.if you think you can work it out amongst yourselves go for it
Thanks for all the info, I have found that you can run a larger MAF and tune for it, but I found a deal on a 730 ECM and think I'm just going to repin the harness and run $59.
I think thats the easier way to do things. I'm planning on 730 ecm and running the $59. I dont think a MAF sensor will beable to read the amount of air a forced induction car can put out. LSx guys have MAF's that can read some air flow, about double our factory ones but even then a forced induction setup will max that out.
Might as well run a MAP sensor
there is a thread on the 59 board about trying to get it to work on the 808/165's but as of now I don't think it does. I believe dig is working on it. but don't know forsure. since your running a maf right? there's threads about putting a much bigger maf on. then it should be simple to tune for boost. as long as your not maxing it out.
Joe from Sweden and 83 Crossfire TA over on the power adder forum were playing with or knew something that was using the 165/808 ECM with the Austraila MAP code. They changed the tables to run a 2-bar sensor.
A long time ago I thought about making the AUJP code run on a 165 ECM, but then I got sidetracked when dimented24x7 put the $OD hac out there. The $0D hac was more of an interest to me because I want to install an E-trans.
That is great that the $59 people are doing a build to run on the 165 ECM. From what I hear they do are really honing the $58 code and adding a bunch of good stuff.
thats what the kalmaker code is 808 ecu code and will run on the 165.it has 8192 baud aldl added and the resolution is bigger on the tables compared to the stock holden code that people use and yes turbodig on code59.org is testing with a 165 ecu to use the code 59 gear.
thats what the kalmaker code is 808 ecu code and will run on the 165.it has 8192 baud aldl added and the resolution is bigger on the tables compared to the stock holden code that people use and yes turbodig on code59.org is testing with a 165 ecu to use the code 59 gear.
heres an xdf for kalmaker so you can see some of the settings availiable doesnt take much to repin the 165 for map .the injector size and cylinder size definitions havnt got equations but i can sort it out if you want to use it.if you think you can work it out amongst yourselves go for it
Yeah i wouldnt mind taking a look at it. What exactly needs done for the injector size and cylinder size? 165 ecm injector driver for high impedance injectors is for this code correct? I was planning on doing the 730 ecm with code 59 but i'm open to other options.
Since i have the 165ecm, if i could still use it, that be optimal.
Yeah i wouldnt mind taking a look at it. What exactly needs done for the injector size and cylinder size? 165 ecm injector driver for high impedance injectors is for this code correct? I was planning on doing the 730 ecm with code 59 but i'm open to other options.
Since i have the 165ecm, if i could still use it, that be optimal.
Using the 165 ECM makes a lot of sense when you factor in the cost of an AUJP MEMCAL for the 730 ECM to run the $59 code. The AUJP MEMCAL cost from GM is ridiculous.
I would also be interested in trying out the 165 ECM $59 code. I have one rig with a 165 ECM I could test on.
Using the 165 ECM makes a lot of sense when you factor in the cost of an AUJP MEMCAL for the 730 ECM to run the $59 code. The AUJP MEMCAL cost from GM is ridiculous.
I would also be interested in trying out the 165 ECM $59 code. I have one rig with a 165 ECM I could test on.
Yeah so i hear. I was hoping to find one used in good condition to save money but we'll see. I dont really want to try something thats not really proven tho, the 165 $59 sounds good but if that other code above works ok then i'll work with that. I just want this twin turbo 400 to run well regardless
Using the 165 ECM makes a lot of sense when you factor in the cost of an AUJP MEMCAL for the 730 ECM to run the $59 code. The AUJP MEMCAL cost from GM is ridiculous.
I would also be interested in trying out the 165 ECM $59 code. I have one rig with a 165 ECM I could test on.
here's the thread that started the 59 on a 808 ecm question.
yes it does indead run high impedence injectors.and will require minor wiring for the map sensor and all the wiring changes are the same as running the $5D or $12 holden code and are on this forum .send me an email my email address is in my profile
I read some of the thread. They tried just running the $59 code on the 165 ECM. That would never work. All the addressing is different for the internal hardware and pin-out. The $59 needs to be gone through and all of the writes/reads to the internal registers and external hardware need to be changed for the 165 ECM. It is takes a while to go through the code and make all of those changes. Back in the day it was faster and easier to do a little re-wiring, buy a 730 ECM and AUJP chip for $100 and be running the same day. Now that the AUJP chip is over priced that kind of changes things.
Actually, the $59 code could be written with directives telling the assembler to use the 165 ECM register set or the 730/749 ECM register set. That is how I assemble when using the MonteSS NVRAM module or just a straight 730 ECM. I just set the switch before I compile/assemble and it uses different addresses based on the hardware present.
sounds like a really useful program you have. I haven't got to the point of looking at code. I read the threads in the stickys about it. I got the idea that I could prob follow step by step what to do, but wouldn't really understand enough to do anything with it. so I haven't been back yet. so forgive me if this is a stupid question. but how do you know where the different addressing for each ecm bin is at? does the programe tell you, or is it something you'd have to do by hand? cause that would take forever, right?
the memory map for each ecm will be different, and you would need to know the basic architecture for the processor, and what it maps internally. Then, you'll need to understand the code enough to see where it accesses the rest of the hardware, so it's not trivial.
pretty much, looking at schematics, the datasheets for the processor, and understanding what is happeing in code is the best way to figure out what the memory map looks like.
fortunately, many folks have done just that, and many things have already been discovered.
I don't think anyone has sat down and publicly shown the differences between the 2 ecms. This is what the $59 guys would need to do.
Last edited by jwscab; 03-09-2009 at 10:11 AM.
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I've looked at using the 808 code before, it would be nice if I could find a commented hack of it somewhere.
In theory boosting a maf car is the simplest way to run a motor under pressure, but in practice it gets more expensive and complex as you go. A maf car doesn't need to 'see' how much pressure there is, it just needs the amount of air going in and some air temp correction. As long as you don't max out the maf you can zing out a good tune on a turbo car in 1/2 the time as sd. But you do max out the maf, and quickly at that. So you go to a larger maf- say one twice the stock size (like an LSX maf), now you need to rewrite the code to handle airflow as double value (each bit stands for 2 grams/sec), reprogram the maf tables and get a translator to turn the new maf's signal into analog. Or use $32B and rewrite the code to use the higher frequency. So you end up with an expensive maf, expensive translator and alot of programming anyway, which is why most people opt for a much cheaper 2 bar map & '730 conversion.
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there is a little script my mate made here www.delcohacking.net that will comment a dissasembly from an xdf if you want too look into the 808 MAP code further heaps of bins and xdf's there too.ive only ever really worked with MAP based setups and find it easy to tune but ive never known anything else.playing with the odd MAF car now dont like it much myself LOL.you know what you know i spose.websites open for like minded delco entusiests, delco hackers and delco tuners so go check it out weve got a good bunch of guys there allready allways keen on more.
shouldnt be corrupted .i didnt get an email yet either ill send it through via email if i can find your address again LOL that xdf unzips fine for me when i download it its a winrar zip too do you have winrar.or is the bin thats not up there any more causing an issue .
i just went over that xdf and i had allready fixed the cylinder size and injector size variables in version 2 above so no problems there.it doesnt have all the variables and tables but should have enough.
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