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Old 09-08-2009, 03:35 PM   #1
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speedo and vss

is the vss computer controlled.? i switched to carb and now my speedo doesn't work. ideas? I cut the computer out, all other gauges work.
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Re: speedo and vss

IIRC, the VSS signal goes to the ECM (TPI) and the yellow buffer box (TBI).

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Re: speedo and vss

can i make my factory speedo work without the computer?
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Re: speedo and vss

You may be able to hook an aftermarket unit up..Then wire in your speedo, I have on from JTR...
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Re: speedo and vss

irocczracer, so you did this? where can i get that unit. how does it wire in. thanks
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Re: speedo and vss

Sorry I was a sleep, missed the part about not having the ecm.. I have been working on the Holley Stealth ram for mine, so mine will be using an ecm... My factory gauge package was removed in favor of one From Covan's Classics. So I moved my VSS to the speedometer output on the T-5, now in the process of wiring to the electric Autometer gauge. My VSS was purchased form Jags That Run, I am not 100% positive that just buying an aftermarket VSS will solve your problem.... I do know that the electric Autometer gauge's come with there on sensor....Another problem I could see would be the calibration of the speedometer. If yours is like mine it should require a 2000 pulse Vss, make sure of this... If you get one of the Covan's dash plate they look nice, I opted just for the panel and harness. No money in the budget for the Autometer guages at that time.. And you will have great looking cluster, plus you can goto a mechanical speedo.....But the calibration may take some time... Contact these site they have been more than helpful with me... http://www.eficonnection.com/eficonnection/default.aspx

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Re: speedo and vss

Did something different go on for Camaro and TA's?? My IROC is 1989 and it has the mechanical speedo??
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Re: speedo and vss

You may be able to use something like this

http://www.dakotadigital.com/index.c...rod/prd126.htm

And use a Autometer VSS
http://www.autometer.com/cat_accesso...l.aspx?vid=114

It should allow you to adjust the speedometer for calibration errors..
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Re: speedo and vss

This may work even better have an 8k VSS unit...
http://www.dakotadigital.com/index.c...rod/prd109.htm
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Re: speedo and vss

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Did something different go on for Camaro and TA's?? My IROC is 1989 and it has the mechanical speedo??
IIRC, 'Birds went electric in 86, Camaros not until 90.

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Re: speedo and vss

Since the ECM is gone you need something to convert the signal to something your speedo can understand

Build a circuit similar to this:
http://www.austinthirdgen.org/mkport...SS_V8_vinE.jpg

This is what a buffer box looks like. You can find it on any TBI car GM built and several others common to junkyards everywhere


One last bit, be aware GM used two VSS connectors. Left is the older 700R4 style. Right is 4L60 (90-92). Wiring colors are the same and functions are the same
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Re: speedo and vss

Wow guys that alsot of info, thanks. I'll have to try to figure out what to do. But i really want to keep the GTA 140 speedo and cluster.

POCKET, The ecm is actually still in the car. What would i need to do to make it all work? I can use my stock VSS and reconnect it to the cpu? will it have all the signals that it needs? Or, If i get on of those buffer boxes can i still use my stock speedo? thanks
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Re: speedo and vss

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The ecm is actually still in the car.
I can use my stock VSS and reconnect it to the cpu? will it have all the signals that it needs? Or, If i get on of those buffer boxes can i still use my stock speedo?
If the ECM is still there, I'd think you could plug and play.

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Re: speedo and vss

i just don't know what wires to hook up to complete the circut. I cut the whole harness in half by the heater box, it is accessable, and i have the VSS that i can plug back in, how does it connect to the speedo? anyone care to shed light here? pocket? thanks
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Re: speedo and vss

IIRC, there should be purple and yellow wires from the VSS to the ECM. Check the following wiring diagrams for ECM to speedo:

http://www.austinthirdgen.org/mkport...uges_part5.gif

http://www.austinthirdgen.org/mkport...ter_pinout.jpg

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Re: speedo and vss

It would be better to remove the rest of the ECM and wiring since its already halfassed by blindly cutting everything

ECM IGN, power and grounds went through the large bit of wiring there so reconnecting things would take quite a bit of time and tracing
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Re: speedo and vss

ive been reading alot of these. speedo problems, i have a bone stock 89 firebird with a 5.0 TBI. im having a similar problem. my speedo works but dosnt read right. and the odometer dosnt work at all. is the VSS buffer box the most likely problem or the VSS its self? if its the buffer box where would i find it in my car?
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Re: speedo and vss

ODO has nothing to do with the VSS (almost nothing)
Do a search on trip and ODO fixes

Speed being off is either faulty speedo or wrong VSS gear (most likely) for the gearing/tire size

The box is pretty simple. It works or it doesnt
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Re: speedo and vss

I am having the same problem with my swap...and the buffer box is a difficult part to find anymore. The wireing diagrams state that the buffer box sends a 4000 pulse directly to the speedometer (which is what the vss is sending) and a 2000 pulse signal to the ECM for the other stuff (IAC valve...etc.) Sometime in the near future, I am going to try to run a line directly into the speedometer input wire at 4000 pulse. It looks like this might work because the circuit board in the gauge cluster is what takes care of that signal. I'll let you know what I come up with
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Ive got a few buffer boxes Ill sell
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Re: speedo and vss

joshhsi got to http://www.jagsthatrun.com/Pages/Spe...eedometer.html
Use a 2PRS unit it will bolt onto the cable output on the trans. My vss wires going to the ecm brown/white stripe ( A10). I have not went back to the stock cable, an electric Autometer should work. Because they are programmable. I mounted mine to the trans and ordered wire and pins from efi connection.Then used the white connector, then one that goes to your dash. Think it's 16 pin MetoPack 280 unsealed. Ran the wire through this connector and through dash harness. The Autometer speedo will have one input for the vss and one output for the ecm. You can use your wires that are already there going to the ecm...I have a Covan,s dash and there wiring harrness..Do not have the full range of gauges yet..
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