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I'd be interested but I would like to know who actually built the motor? Do you have reciepts for it. Would you consider selling it without the intake? No manifold or carb is needed.
I'd be interested but I would like to know who actually built the motor? Do you have reciepts for it. Would you consider selling it without the intake? No manifold or carb is needed.
The motor was built by opel, they are a machine shop in Streamwood Il. I have every reciept for the motor from start to finish. I could sell the motor without the intake, but the price would stay the same. You could always sell the intake. The motor doesnt come with a carb.
3k is too steep. I don't need the intake but yeah, whatever. For 4k I'll have a member on this board build me an engine that is meant for fuel injection and he knows what he is doing. If you decide to come down on the price, then let me know but no one has bought it after all this time, that tells you something.
3k is too steep. I don't need the intake but yeah, whatever. For 4k I'll have a member on this board build me an engine that is meant for fuel injection and he knows what he is doing. If you decide to come down on the price, then let me know but no one has bought it after all this time, that tells you something.
How is this too steep? I have a little more than $5,500 in this. The heads alone have $2,200 in them. people want something for nothing, im already giving this away. To each there own.
Just because you spent 5500 doesn't mean anything. It means that for what you got, you got jacked. I would buy it but like I said, I have an offer elsewhere. I have money now, you have an engine now, if we can come to an agreement, then fine, but for 3k for a mystery engine, I don't think so. That is like getting a shoebox full of something for 3k. You don't know what is in the box but you hope it is worth it.
Mystery engine? If you have an offer somewhere else take it, and leave my thread. Thanks.
Obviously you are not going to buy it, so dont post. Im not here to argue. If you feel that unsure of my sale look at my trader rating. I am as honest as they get.
Wow, you must be on something. I am interested in the engine and best part is that I'm close by and have cash in hand. I've been burned by those with good seller ratings though so that doesn't mean jack to me.
Next you need to slow your role. I will leave your thread because I feel that this is full of it. The member paulisgod does a great job building engines, some other local members to the board might know his work. He knows what goes into his engine. Not a cola CAST crank. He also gets his engines to a dyno to get exact horsepower numbers, not guesses. Good luck selling your engine. Let me know who bought the 406 on a cast crank!
The block doesn't show the third freeze plug which indicated a SBC 400 block. It also doesn't have the flat boss area where one would be cast into the block in place of the third freeze plug. Also does it have the steam holes between the cylinders. In 20 years of engine building this would be the first 400 without those factory indicators.
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Wow, you must be on something. I am interested in the engine and best part is that I'm close by and have cash in hand. I've been burned by those with good seller ratings though so that doesn't mean jack to me.
Next you need to slow your role. I will leave your thread because I feel that this is full of it. The member paulisgod does a great job building engines, some other local members to the board might know his work. He knows what goes into his engine. Not a cola CAST crank. He also gets his engines to a dyno to get exact horsepower numbers, not guesses. Good luck selling your engine. Let me know who bought the 406 on a cast crank!
If your close by come and take a look. Ill proove everything with the reciepts and part numbers. No need to be a ****.
I would appreciate it if you would stay out of this thread as you have already put a stereotype on me. Im try to be honest and fair. So far I havent seen where I havent been. Stop by and take a look, I dont care who on this board builds motors. You wouldnt be able to build this for $3000.
Not ALL 400 have three freeze plugs either. That's an old mechanics tale. Speaking of all....... If you're going to use a line from a movie, get it right bro! It's slow your **********roll***********, not role; like in a movie.
Wow, you must be on something. I am interested in the engine and best part is that I'm close by and have cash in hand. I've been burned by those with good seller ratings though so that doesn't mean jack to me.
Next you need to slow your role. I will leave your thread because I feel that this is full of it. The member paulisgod does a great job building engines, some other local members to the board might know his work. He knows what goes into his engine. Not a cola CAST crank. He also gets his engines to a dyno to get exact horsepower numbers, not guesses. Good luck selling your engine. Let me know who bought the 406 on a cast crank!
The block doesn't show the third freeze plug which indicated a SBC 400 block. It also doesn't have the flat boss area where one would be cast into the block in place of the third freeze plug. Also does it have the steam holes between the cylinders. In 20 years of engine building this would be the first 400 without those factory indicators.
That is a little strange, although the 509 appears to be indicated on the block and the picture of the casting number is complete.
I have a "cheater" 400 block, that does not have the third freeze plug, although I do have the BOSS in the casting. I wonder if it could be ground down. (to pass tech in an event that prohibits 400s).
I didn't see a picture of the decks so how could you tell the steam holes?
We plugged mine before we milled the deck. The bottom one can be redrilled in a better spot, and the top one is not needed. (pipe plug the large hole and drill the center out). Lot of things you can do to a 400 block to make it killer.
Did the machine shop use a torque plate when they bored and honed it?
More pictures, and scans of the receipts would be helpful.
To say it's not worth $3,000 is a foolish statement.
Three freeze plugs per side identifies the rear block as a 400. But there are 400 blocks with only two plugs per side, similar to "regular" small-blocks.
Normally Using a torque plate is for lightweight block castings. I dont recall if a torque plate was used while honing. It doesnt say on the receipt. I dont believe so. I doubt they would remember as the motor was built on 05.
What other pictures would anyone like to see. I dont want to pull heads off, just for the fact being that new gaskets arent cheap. Unless I have a buyer physically looking at it.
Three freeze plugs per side identifies the rear block as a 400. But there are 400 blocks with only two plugs per side, similar to "regular" small-blocks.
Yep. That is how my block is, just 2 freeze plugs. Normally though there is a bump in the middle, where the third would have been. Can't say they ALL had the bump.
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Normally Using a torque plate is for lightweight block castings. I dont recall if a torque plate was used while honing. It doesnt say on the receipt. I dont believe so. I doubt they would remember as the motor was built on 05.
Well we use a torque plate when doing all blocks, but especially the 400. If they didn't use a torque plate you would know it. The cylinders on a 400 change shape when you torque down the head, so if you bore and hone it without that torque applied you end up with a perfect cylinder untorqued, and a very distorted cylinder when torqued. The dead give away when someone does a 400 without a torque plate is it will burn oil and get blowby.
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What other pictures would anyone like to see. I dont want to pull heads off, just for the fact being that new gaskets arent cheap. Unless I have a buyer physically looking at it.
I don't blame you. At $40 each side, I wouldn't be pulling them off either.
If you end up selling the shortblock, and have the heads I may be interested in them. I don't have the cash right now because I'm spending money like there is no tomorrow on my short block and stuff, but in a few weeks or month if you still have 'em I might be interested. Otherwise I'm picking up a set of afr 195s.
Here is a picture of my 400 block before dunking it in the hot tank. You can almost see where the third plug would be on mine, but it's not there. (A lot of the 2bolt main blocks didn't have 3 plugs).
If you look closely at his pictures, I think you can see the bump. The block is painted and dirty. From the pictures, casting number, I think there is no doubt he is in fact selling a 400.
Yep. That is how my block is, just 2 freeze plugs. Normally though there is a bump in the middle, where the third would have been. Can't say they ALL had the bump.
Well we use a torque plate when doing all blocks, but especially the 400. If they didn't use a torque plate you would know it. The cylinders on a 400 change shape when you torque down the head, so if you bore and hone it without that torque applied you end up with a perfect cylinder untorqued, and a very distorted cylinder when torqued. The dead give away when someone does a 400 without a torque plate is it will burn oil and get blowby.
I don't blame you. At $40 each side, I wouldn't be pulling them off either.
If you end up selling the shortblock, and have the heads I may be interested in them. I don't have the cash right now because I'm spending money like there is no tomorrow on my short block and stuff, but in a few weeks or month if you still have 'em I might be interested. Otherwise I'm picking up a set of afr 195s.
-- Joe
The motor never did burn oil or get blow by. It just had a slow oil leak where the intake and block met(where the RTV seal is).
Good luck selling it, it really is worth this much. Anyway, I don't know what they are talking about. But I would suggest, if you haven't already, to post in several forums.
Good luck selling it, it really is worth this much. Anyway, I don't know what they are talking about. But I would suggest, if you haven't already, to post in several forums.
I have, the motor is on 4 other forums. Everyone wants to low ball me, or says they wish they had the money. Or the typical lead you on and never respond back.
Yeah the "I only (I actually have $3000) have $2000", or whatever. Sorry man, I know you put some money into that engine. I myself would keep the engine. Unless you need the money really bad.
i want to add my 2 cents. it looks like a great piece of iron and i dont doubt it ran strong. but you can build your own for that price and have exactly what you want in it, instead of what someone else wants in it.
but there has to be someone who wants to build what you have. just keep asking and you will find that person.
i want to add my 2 cents. it looks like a great piece of iron and i dont doubt it ran strong. but you can build your own for that price and have exactly what you want in it, instead of what someone else wants in it.
but there has to be someone who wants to build what you have. just keep asking and you will find that person.
good luck
No you can't. I just built a 412. You can't even come close.
Bare 400 block $180
Crank $410
Rods $230
Pistons $416
Rings $125
Main bearings $50
Rod bearings $50
Cam bearings $30
Main studs $60
Hot tank, deck, modify, bore, hone, etc $1000
Balance rotating assembly $250
Head gaskets $70
Oil pump $25
Timing chain set $60
Camshaft $269 (hyd roller)
Roller lifters $350
Heads $1300
$4334, and that is assuming you assemble it. Which the majority of members cannot do without it blowing up, so add around $450 to that.
Yeah the "I only (I actually have $3000) have $2000", or whatever. Sorry man, I know you put some money into that engine. I myself would keep the engine. Unless you need the money really bad.
I half to pay my taxes which is why the motors for sale.
anesthes, it is possible to build a 406 under 3k if you know what you are doing. Remember that some performance shops offer a deal if you buy a bunch of stuff at once, because they get a deal through their supplier. I know my uncle uses VSI and as an example, we ordered a Callies crank that retails for $800 with bearings and got it for $575. Just because you paid full price does mean that everyone else does too. You also spent $1000 on machine work that you could've done yourself "Mr. I build my own engines" so take that out of the equation. Then spending $250 for balancing which is cheap I'd admit but still something you could save money on it you do it yourself. I also know that you could save a ton on heads and a little tiny bit on your cam and lifters, not much there but it adds up.
On the contrary, the shop just got done with a 468 small block that was billed at 11k almost 12k. That was a discounted price but the pro billet parts were expensive and it will be a nitrous motor that will be sustaining high rpms for a short time and a ton of spray thrown at it. You can build a budget engine or an engine that is bulletproof. Sorry but I've seen engines built for less than 3k and still had 500 horse on demand.
I agree with Tony that it probably did run strong but I would try selling it other places as well. Try craigslist and racing junk for starters. I know someone out there will get it from you and not lowball you. Someone, somewhere, somehow, someone will buy it.
anesthes, it is possible to build a 406 under 3k if you know what you are doing. Remember that some performance shops offer a
I owned a performance shop for 10 years.
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deal if you buy a bunch of stuff at once, because they get a deal through their supplier. I know my uncle uses VSI and as an example, we ordered a Callies crank that retails for $800 with bearings and got it for $575. Just because you paid full price does mean that everyone else does too.
I paid $165 less than your uncle.
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You also spent $1000 on machine work that you could've done yourself "Mr. I build my own engines" so take that out of the equation.
I don't have a boring bar, a CK-10 hone, a decking machine, a hot tank, a pressure tester, a sonic machine, a main aligning/boring machine.
So how the hell would I take any of that out of the equation ????
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Then spending $250 for balancing which is cheap I'd admit but still something you could save money on it you do it yourself.
I don't have a balancing machine. While weighing pistons, pins, rings, etc
is easy how do you expect to check the crank counterweight balance to know how much to take out or add without a balancer??
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I also know that you could save a ton on heads and a little tiny bit on your cam and lifters, not much there but it adds up.
Solid cam and lifters is cheap. $1k for heads is cheap too. I'm suggesting his hyd roller was more, and
I'm sure his Brodix heads were more too. I'm more into flow numbers and velocity than a name so I shop around.
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Sorry but I've seen engines built for less than 3k and still had 500 horse on demand.
Perhaps, but without any of the equipment listed they are hacks waiting to explode built by idiots who would rather save money than do it right. That's not my way. When I was in the business, I saw many shops including neighbors just slap parts together, then grin expecting a pat on the back because they did it 'on the cheap'. That type of mentality is nothing short of retarded and deserves no applause.
I have a little more than $5,500 in this. The heads alone have $2,200 in them. people want something for nothing, im already giving this away. To each there own. 
