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up for any trades? Mine sings something awful and I am selling off a bunch of stuff myself. Have tons of stuff if looking for something special?
Still intrested in purchasing if not so dont go anywhere.
I am in jax fl 32073 let me know a total. also do you know the shim under the bearing. putting in my 96 ws6 that is terribly loud and hate to drive on the interstate because of the noise and know it was set up deep to make stronger but makes too much noise. Mine has a big shim under the bearing for that reason and was curious how far it was off. I am selling off a nine inch set now and some other stuff so when sells will have the money.
USPS quotes shipping at $15.93 so total would be $85.93. I don't know the exact size of the shim (I didn't install the gears). I bought a rearend with them already installed and I removed them for some 3.42s. They still have the yellow paste for checking gear mesh and the mesh pattern looks to be perfect. Let me know if/when you're ready.
great, thanks. One thing see no posts on your name and know guys have been screwed out of money in the past over people who joined just to take money. Doesnt sound that way but do you have a ebay rating or does someone on teh board that has been around know you and can say it is all good. Cant be too careful even though it isnt a bunch of money but with not working right now 80 bucks is 80 bucks that could have paid bills and dont know anyone who whats to just give away money. I hope you dont take this wrong but have been told to watch for low numbered names. Let me know as I really need the gears.
thanks
Joe
No problem. I just joined the forum after I decided to swap a 350 TPI motor into my '72 Vega. I got alot of info in the TPI section and had the gears left over from the rearend I bought for the car. My ebay name is mazb2000 if you want to check my feedback. I don't know anyone else on the forum that can vouch for me but I spent alot of time on hondashadow.net when I had my bike. I'm sure a few folks over there remember me. I understand your concern so no offense taken.
not new and have been run. Have a pattern clear as day worn in to the gears. Under the paint it is shiny and worn. not worth more than 40 bucks. Now I might be getting into another set that is going to make noise. So hard to get a used set right on the money as they were and not have problems. Not sure how you thought they were new. So either give me a prartial refund or I send them back and you pay shipping + all my money. I have passed up on cheaper sets of used stuff and am kinda pissed over this now because I was expecting a new set.
As I stated in a PM last night the gears are NEW!! They will scuff off the factory finish while setting pinion depth and gear mesh. I will refund the sale price but not shipping as the gears ARE as advertised. Regardless of new or used I would never install gears without checking pinion depth first, especially if they came with the pinion shim and bearing already installed. That's why I told you I didn't know the shim thickness.
I feel bad that you think they are used and am not out to swindle anyone especially for a measly $70.
post pics of the gears....... that will tell the tail, and sorry to say I have messed with new and used gears and you will not wear off the coating till they are driven on. Post pics
gonna put up a pic and let others say if new or not. I have done plenty of gear sets and never seen them get shiny by rolling the pattern and wearing off the black on the gear. Give me a min to clean the yellow off and put up a pic.
gonna put up a pic and let others say if new or not. I have done plenty of gear sets and never seen them get shiny by rolling the pattern and wearing off the black on the gear. Give me a min to clean the yellow off and put up a pic.
now as I see it here shiny metal is worn metal and not from just rolling the pattern. Harder to see in the pics over sitting here looking at them but can see it if you click on it and bring it up big. It is plain as day that they have been run. Now if I was buying used this wouldnt be a problem as they look like a good pattern was run on them but I paid for a new set from you and not used. I just sold a set of richmond gears for a nine inch that I ran a few passes on then decided I needed more gear and sold them for 60 bucks and it was a 180 set new. Take a look.
They are in good shape for used but are used and need a used price on them. I am not in the wrong here and would never put in a set without setting them up either. You told me that you bought the rear end that way and didnt want to run this gear.Now saying you set them up and know they are new????? What is the story on them? I am not loosing a penny on this deal as I have been out of work and cant afford to give up anything and why I went for this deal to begin with. It was a good deal for a new set of gears. But being used no longer a good deal. I need some money refunded for them being used and will keep them and take a chance on them making noise with a pattern burned in to the steel already. Mine are terrible in the car now and about to blow so will keep and use them but not paying the full price for a used set you sold to me as new.
If you read back you'll see I never said I set them up. But that doesn't really matter. Just send them back and I'll refund what you paid. As for used price check e-bay for used 4:11s and see what they're going for.
I'm not going to get bent over a few bucks and I understand your situation.
I'm willing to make it right for you.
Let me know.
Last edited by norcalace; 06-19-2008 at 06:06 PM.
Reason: spelling
I am sorry I jumped right in to the paypal stuff but didnt hear back from you after 3 days and from the get go was worried about the new momber thing with people getting ripped off here by new members so jumped the gun a bit on it all without hearing from you on it first. I will see what they are going for used if any are out there. If I had to guess 40 to 50 but will look. I thought you said you would never install a set of gears without setting them up meaning you set these up. Sure it is a mistake on your part as they are covered with paint and maybe you were told they were not run. They havent been run much but have been run enough to start a wear pattern in the metal. I am a master mechanic and do this for a living when working. Job market is terrible here in jax fl. I will see what I can come up with inless 40 is fine for you + the shipping cost so make it 50 on them or wait to see what I find on it.
I am not seeing anything out there to compare with our rear end. Most used gears start at 10 bucks and some sold at that and some at 80 depending on rearend. Just send me back 30 bucks and I will settle the paypal thing as soon as payment gets to me.
Here's what I am seeing. Like I said just send them back if you really feel wronged and I'll refund your money. New or used the price is more than fair.
not tryin to start a war here, but those gears look pretty damn new to me...
and well worth the $80. if you want new go buy new for more than double that price....
again, i am not tryin to be a **** here, but it looks like your trying to screw HIM over and get a nice set of gears for half what he was asking!
place yourself in his shoes, i dont blame him for not wanting to give you half your money AND you keep the gears. if i were the seller i would want the gears back and id refund the money. you go find another set of gears....
I will have to agree that they do look in good condition, but he did advertise as new never ran, think that is the issue. Yes it is a good deal but look at his side, who knows how long they were driven on and if set up right. But yes if He isnt happy send them back and move on.
Just wanted to keep all the conversations out in the open so I'm attaching what you PMed me regarding the gears along with my response.
Joe's PM;
I am not loosing a penny on this deal since I am not in the wrong and the gears are used. I do this for a living and know a used gear when I see it. They are hard coated and it is worn off in the pattern area. It takes torque and pressure to do this. If I have to I will push the paypal to the full deal where I take the gears to a shop and get a paper saying they are used then will get it all back that way and you get a strike on your account. I had to do it on a distributor once and will do it agin if I have to. I am trying to be fair by saying 50 bucks for the used gears. I had a chance to get two other used sets for the same and less but didnt want a used set to deal with getting noise again. These were set up right but you have to get it on the money for your housing and the original pattern to get no noise with them. I am out of time on mine as they will pop at anytime and just need to get this done but I paid for a new set and they are used and want the used price. I dont want to excellate the case and hurt your paypal account as I feel you didnt do it on purpose and bought them this way but if you dont give me a partial refund I will do it so I get all my money back with shipping and I will with a receipt from any shop saying they are used and I will get that no problem. Just refund 30 and I will drop it and call the case closed or refund every penny I have to spend to get them back to you + what I spent so far. With no job every thing counts for me and cant afford to give up anything especially since I have done nothing wrong to deserve all this headache.
My PM reply;
Joe,
I do not intend to discount the gears. Just as you are allowed to have an "independent" shop state they are used, Paypal must and will allow me to have the same done here before they settle your claim. It's called "discovery" and each side is allowed to see everything each other has in evidence. Either way I'm going to get the gears back.
It would be different is you were unhappy because the gears were defective but you as well as everyone who has seen the pictures agrees they are in very good to excellent condition. If you insist the gears are used that's fine. I'm really quite done with all of this over 1. a new gear set that you couldn't touch for under $200 from GM, or 2. a used gear set that you couldn't touch on e-bay for under $75 (see my examples on the forum) Not to mention this post from this site: http://www.thirdgen.org/techboard/en...gears-7-a.html $50 for 45,000 mile 3.23s and you want to pay $50 for ???/no mile 4.10s? I'm confused.
Don't try to hold me hostage by threatening me with a Paypal dispute. Do what you have to do. I have offered your money back on several occasions and you only seem interested in getting the gears at a discounted price. Obviously you think they are good enough for your car but only at a price you want to pay.
So with that I repeat one last time, send em back or do your Paypal thing. I just want you to be happy.
Thanks again,
John
Last edited by norcalace; 06-23-2008 at 04:34 PM.
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to me 9a complete outsider and out of the circle, it looks as if you hit the nail on the head. this guy wants the gears and its obvious. but he's broke and wants $30 bucks.
even used, $80 is a great deal, and to me they look installed, and near new if anything else.
i feel bad for people like you, just tryin to sell an honest part for an honest price and you end up gettin hosed by someone who is not willing to be fair.
i would demand the gears back and a refund of what you were paid. nothing else. i wouldnt want this guy to even have the gears.
I truely hope this gets resolved in a fair manner. its sad to see stuff like this happen.
Good luck dealing with this guys.
(sorry for gettin my nose in this, it just seems wrong what he's tryin to do)
Well I tried to set them up and rolled them in and set up as they were is about 3 thousands to deep. Since they have a patten worn in if I change it I am taking a chance on a failure. I will send them back but want all my money back. I paid for new gears and got used so dont think that I should eat 16 bucks in shipping for something that was your fault. If I was wrong I would eat it but I paid for new and got used. Period. I am not trying to screw this guy over. I had a few chances to get used gears 3.73 and 4.10s for 50 bucks but didnt want used wanted new. I am not saying the money is way out of wack for used gears but I gave up on others for less that could have used just the same as these. I didnt want the chance of having a set that makes noise and really that is it. If they are new and I set them up wrong then I have to live with it my fault. If I run yours as they are set up and worn for I take a chance of having what I have now, a noisy set of gears. Why pay 88 bucks for what I have in it now. They arent broke but make noise. I bought it this way and it drives me nuts. And for othes stating there opinion stick to the point and the point is that I PAID FOR NEW GEARS AND WAS TOLD THAT I WAS GETTING NEW. WOULD HAVE NEVER PAID 75 BUCKS FOR USED GEARS HAD A CHANCE TO GET OTHERS FOR 50 BUCKS. Not tring to screw him if anything I am getting screwed for asking for me to cover the shipping on his mistake. Sure you can take them and resell for the same money again as used to someone who doesnt care if the set makes noise. At 3 thousands off they will too. Move them to where they need to be then may still or may break over time by wearing in a new pattern on them. This is not over 16 bucks for me but for what I paid for and what I was told. Was told I was getting new and got used. The only way I am taking the chance on them is to pay what I could get the other set for which was 50 bucks from a friend on his set. I also didnt have to pay shipping as they are right here. I passed them up for a reason. I wanted new. So either give me some sort of refund or pay for the shipping and take them back and I will get a new set for 118 of ebay and know what I have at that point.gflo383 put your nose back where it belongs. They were used no matter how much but enough you can feel a line between the shiny and untouched metal and that is enough to make them used and like I have said many times no matter if you think it is a good deal or not I paid for NEW gears and not used that were set up too deep. Just give me the shipping back and take them back. I dont want them but am not losing out on it even if it is only 16 bucks. Let someone else get noisy gears and be mad at you over it or refund me the money for the used set and if they break or make noise I have nothing to say on it as I know what I am getting in to which is a set of gears set up and run wrong.
Which is it you want now; $30 and you'll keep the gears (as you stated early on), or shipping both ways and the full purchase price refunded because you claim the gears which you now have installed are defective?
If you wanted new gears and expected new gears why did you keep insisting on keeping them if I would refund part of your money? If I had refunded $30 and you then installed them only to find they were off would you be coming back to me for the other $40? Where does it end?
I was willing to refund all of your money if you sent them back but that was before you installed them. Now what do I do if they come back not in the condition I sent them? Then we'll have even more to argue about.
How's this; You send them back and if they are in the same condition as you received them and I can re-sell them within 30 days I'll refund all your money including shipping both ways. If I can't sell them in 30 days I'll refund the purchase price and the shipping cost back to me.
I didnt run them just set them up in the case. Didnt hurt anything. Anyone that sets these up for the pattern on the gear now will have a set that will make noise. Now if you sell them telling that they are worn and take them as is that is fine you will have no problem. But if you sell them as a known good gear you will be looking for trouble on it. You told me you wouldnt cut me any slack on them and wasnt going to send me back any money on them so I asked for the shipping to be paid both ways. I dont see how you selling them in 30 days has to do with anything on them. I need a set to run as mine are about done and if they make some noise so be it at this point as I am not sure I will get but a few more days of 70 miles to work on them. I have a long week end to put in this set if you work with me on them. I know I am getting a set that will make noise or if I set them up right and run a new correct pattern on them take a chance on noise or worse them failing. Refund me 20 and I will just take that chance. You still get 60 on them that is a fair price for used gears as a few of the sets you sent me didnt even sell for 70. I am out of time with all this screwing around with this and am afraid I am going to get stuck with a broke gear on the side of the road and dont have the money to go out and buy a set this weekend while waiting on you to refund my money. I would rather have a new set of gears and not have to worry about it but time is now not on my side with it. Let me know asap so I know where to go with it. If you dont want to do it then refund me the money + 8 to ship back and possibly go through this again when they make noise with someone else. I am willing to take that chance now over walking if mine give up on me.
thanks
Joe
I didnt say I could see it I put them in and set them up, goflo. Guess you cant read. I resold them and said that I had no idea if good or not and said buy at own risk and guess what. They made noise after being set up by florida power train. They do rears on anything from big trucks to cars and after 3 trys gave up on them. Imaging that. GM gears shouldnt make noise assclown ,as you stated(goflo). I am not dealing with moser or richmond gears that are crap and make noise in most cases. I put in a new set of Gm gears that are nice and quiet and that I set up myself and last week end the car with a six speed and a T.A. girdle on it cut a 1.68 60 foot twice and a best of 1.61. I have a 9 inch in my 94 Z that runs 9s @ 130+ with 1.30 60 foots. If set up right and preped a 7.5 will live in a 10 sec car with auto and 11 sec with a standard for a while. My 92 turbo car has its stock 10 bolt and just ran 142 in the quarter off a 1.58 60 launching on 6 lbs. By the way by telling the truth on the gears I got 50 bucks for them and what I wanted to pay in the first place but not my problem now. They are noisy in another car. I just got ripped off for 30 bucks on the deal.
