Father & Son 1st Car Swap Project Chronicled - Page 11 - Engine Swap - Third Generation F-Body Message Boards

Lo-tec · 07-14-2005, 03:57 PM

Kurt, I think the blue 3-pin connector in your photo is for the MAP sensor (pass side firewall).

kboehringer · 07-14-2005, 05:14 PM

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Originally posted by Lo-tec
Kurt, I think the blue 3-pin connector in your photo is for the MAP sensor (pass side firewall).

I think my MAP is located on the D.Side firewall just next to the Knock Module. I could be wrong.... I'll take a close up photo of the stuff on the D.Side Wall (that stuff is all hooked up). I'll post when I get home from work.
Thanks for helping...Kurt

Firebreed · 07-14-2005, 07:28 PM

Kurt here is my CC, along with how my Canister is set up with vacume lines i dont know how help full some of the pictures will be for you but here are all the pics i have taken of my cc unit in the engine bay.

Brandon

Lo-tec · 07-14-2005, 09:35 PM

I was close... the three wire blue connector is for a barometric pressure sensor, looks just like a map sensor. It should bolt to the lip of the cowl right above the connector.

kboehringer · 07-14-2005, 10:10 PM

LT1Guy,
Thanks for the tip on the muffler shop. We should be driving in about a week or two. He'll be one of the first stops!
FireBreed,
Thanks for taking the time to snap the photos! We should have little problem hooking it all up thanks to your Pics. I'll download them and bring them out to the car.
Lo-Tec,
Thanks for the Bar Sensor and Service manual info. We'll need to buy one of those baro sensors this weekend.
SilverPanther,
Thanks, the previously plugged connection between the Dizzy and Carb now provides the vacuum for the air vents etc. (one of the few systems that now seems to work inside the car).
BruceEmbry,
We can keep an eye open for a harness if you like. We go junkin' almost every weekend. I'm still looking for buttons for one of the other TGO guys but haven't had any luck yet. We'll be spending a bit more time looking at interiors from this point forward. Although, we still need a Baro Sensor, a Power Steering Hose, and an air cleaner we can adapt to our Crossfire Hood.
Five7Kid & DaveCs1,
Thanks a million for the assist with the CompCam. That sucker sounds mean as hell just sitting at an idle. I'm sure she'll perform well (once I complete proper tuning of the carb). I called Flyitlikeyoustoleit and put the cell phone in the exhaust. He seemed to like the sound....

I really can't wait for Derek to get home on Saturday! I'll make him submit a reply to TGO. I'm sure he'll be extremely excited. We still have a ton of work to due "WIRING, WIRING, WIRING" almost nothing electrical works except the turn signals. No Headlamps, No Hazards, No Dash Lighting, No Wipers.... the list goes on and on. I have the '86 pigtail from the firewall to the fuse panel. Tomorrow night I'm going to try to "Re-Map" the '82 interior stuff to the appropriate locations on the '86 fuse block......WISH ME LUCK! To avoid another "Shocker" I'll disconnect the battery!!(LOL)

Thanks again,
Kurt

flyitlikustolit · 07-14-2005, 10:22 PM

so it sayeth in the great f-bible, in the book of camaro, chapter Z, page 28, verse 82:

"...and the keeper of the camaro bade me listen, and so i did. His was heard by all who would be awakened by the roar of such a hellious demon. I heard clearly the call of eight healthy cylinders, and the beast did roar such a mighty sound, as to bring a great smile to my face. I was filled with overflowing glee, and the thoughts of many burned pilafs yet to come, and it was good."

flyitlikustolit · 07-14-2005, 10:24 PM

cliff notes' version: that f*cker sounds MEAN. i like it

kboehringer · 07-14-2005, 10:33 PM

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Originally posted by flyitlikustolit
so it sayeth in the great f-bible, in the book of camaro, chapter Z, page 28, verse 82:
"...and the keeper of the camaro bade me listen, and so i did.

You are a piece of work! I still can't stop laughing! Even the wife got a kick out of that!!

Firebreed · 07-14-2005, 11:01 PM

Kurt if you need any more pics of anything for the early thirdgens, ill see if i have that part on my car and take some pictures of it as well, We gotta keep these early ones on the road

cant wait to hear what Derek's response to seeing the z28 up and running.

Brandon

five7kid · 07-15-2005, 01:41 AM

Not that you should go this route necessarily, but this is about as clean as you can get a cruise control. You probably don't want to add wiring up a different cruise on top of the issues you've already got in front of you.

sellmanb · 07-15-2005, 04:11 AM

Kurt and Derek. There is an 82 Camaro in my local junkyard that seems to not be picked apart all too badly. There's also an 86 base model sports coupe there that has some of he main parts of the motor picked out. If there's special wiring or anything that you may need stuff from (pictures, parts, etc) shoot me a PM and I'll head down to see if I can pick it out for you. My local u-pull doesnt allow cameras but I conveniently just bought a camera phone

Great job, but you gotta leave a little bit of the "fun" stuff for Derek

BruceEmbry · 07-15-2005, 06:43 AM

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BruceEmbry,
We can keep an eye open for a harness if you like. We go junkin' almost every weekend. I'm still looking for buttons for one of the other TGO guys but haven't had any luck yet. We'll be spending a bit more time looking at interiors from this point forward. Although, we still need a Baro Sensor, a Power Steering Hose, and an air cleaner we can adapt to our Crossfire Hood

Yes please keep a lookout for the harness.
The CC-Carb setup requires the Baro Sensor in order to properly run. The air cleaner that you are looking for should come from ether an LG4 powered 82-83 Trans-AM or Z-28.

BruceEmbry · 07-15-2005, 06:50 AM

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"WIRING, WIRING, WIRING" almost nothing electrical works except the turn signals. No Headlamps, No Hazards, No Dash Lighting, No Wipers.... the list goes on and on.

Hi,
Did you reconnect all of the wires back to the starter motor. For the 82s the main 12 volt supply to the fuse block comes from the Positive battery connection at the starter.

There are two wiring harnesses that connect from the balkhead connector in the engine compartment to the various items. One of the connectors are just for lights. the other connector has the wires for the instruments, Positive battery feed, tech etc. You should go to the j-yard and pull these two harness from another 82-83 Comero.

kboehringer · 07-16-2005, 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by BruceEmbry
Did you reconnect all of the wires back to the starter motor. For the 82s the main 12 volt supply to the fuse block comes from the Positive battery connection at the starter.

Bruce,
We're still using the '82 lighting cable segment (right side of D.Wall connection) as the '86 signal lamps were different. I have been studying all the wires this evening and trying understand and make a plan before I start hacking stuff up. I have connected all the wires to the starter that were on the '86 harness (two) in addition to the battery cable.

NOTE: I am using the original '82 3-wire alternator. I set up the jumper from the red bolt-on to jump to the red on the 2-wire push-in connector on the alternator as I have seen on multiple later model 2-wire F-Bodies. The red primary "Power Wire" on my '82 harness does not seem to differ from the '86 in any other way. I still have the remnants of the '82 harness and am trying to make heads or tails of it right now.

Derek is getting home tomorrow I want the lights to work!!! It'll be an all-nighter!

Sincerely,
Kurt

kboehringer · 07-16-2005, 11:41 AM

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Originally posted by Lo-tec
I was close... the three wire blue connector is for a barometric pressure sensor, looks just like a map sensor. It should bolt to the lip of the cowl right above the connector.

Lo-Tec and TGO Friends,
I'm pulling my hair our with the MAP sensor and Baro Sensor. I have read through my manuals (2) and find no description or explanation of the baro sensor. I am sure we have a MAP sensor hooked up on the Driver Firewall with the Vacuum line going to the rear of the carb as indicated on Sellmanb's routing diagram.

I just went to the J.Yard and found two sensors mounted on the pass side cowl lip both look just like the MAP I have on the D.Side fire wall. However each WAS connected to a green 3x connector like the one we have "OPEN".

Do the MAP and Baro look similar?
Would a Carb'ed. car have both?
If they look similar, how do I tell them apart and make sure I have the right items?
Do they both get manifold vacuum?

Thanks in adavance...
Kurt

Firebreed · 07-16-2005, 12:20 PM

You know what, i got the same sensors on my drivers side firewall and i also have no clue what they are, but they are hooked up, Ill snap a few pictures of it for you, once i get enough coffee in the system. But keep in mind, my Engine compartment is dirty, i use it for my daily driver.

Brandon

kboehringer · 07-16-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally posted by Firebreed
i also have no clue what they are

Brandon,
According to Haynes....

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Originally written by Haynes Manual - Emissions Control Systems - Page 6-8
A Manifold Absolute Pressure (MAP) sensor is used on all models except 1989 and earlier MPFI V6 and TPI V8 models. On carbureted models the sensor is also referred to as the vacuum sensor or differential pressure sensor. The MAP sensor is typically mounted to a bracket on the firewall or cowl on either side, depending on the model.

" The MAP sensor monitors the intake manifold pressure changes resulting from changes in engine load and speeds and converts the information into a voltage output. The ECM (Electronic Control Module) uses the MAP sensor to control fuel delivery and ignition timing."

I can find NO description and NO photo of the BARO SENSOR in Haynes or Chiltons or the TGO Boards. I am now certain that I just purchased two more MAP sensors as the numbers are the same on the plastic castings fo all three (3).

Photos would be great!

Sincerely,
Kurt

BruceEmbry · 07-16-2005, 02:45 PM

Sorry post didn't show up corrently

sellmanb · 07-16-2005, 03:04 PM

Kurt, I believe you should read this post

http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthre...rometer+sensor

Vader is the man

edit: and this one

http://thirdgen.org/techbb2/showthre...rometer+sensor

Firebreed · 07-16-2005, 03:14 PM

Kurt I hope this is what you needed, if it isnt let me know and ill go snap a few more pics. Carefull with the clips they tend to break easly as well. Oh and please look over the dirt, My cars a daily and i havent had a chance nor the energy to clean it yet.

brandon

Klortho · 07-16-2005, 04:42 PM

That looks like the same MAP sensor that is on my LT1

kboehringer · 07-16-2005, 10:16 PM

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Originally posted by Firebreed
[b]Kurt I hope this is what you needed, if it isnt let me know and ill go snap a few more pics. Carefull with the clips they tend to break easly as well. Oh and please look over the dirt, My cars a daily and i havent had a chance nor the energy to clean it yet.]

Brandon,
The item on the right side (with the hose) is the MAP sensor. The small item on the left of it is a relay. The relay could be for; A Fuel Pump (unlikely as you have a carb?), Cooling Fan, or the Air Conditioning Compressor.
Thanks,
Kurt

Firebreed · 07-16-2005, 10:38 PM

Yea i got a Rochester Verajet carb, Its basicly a Quadrajet cut in half, If you need any other pictures of anything, ill see if i have it and take some, Btw how has the wireing come?

Lo-tec · 07-16-2005, 10:55 PM

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Originally posted by kboehringer
I am sure we have a MAP sensor hooked up on the Driver Firewall with the Vacuum line going to the rear of the carb as indicated on Sellmanb's routing diagram.

Do the MAP and Baro look similar?

Do they both get manifold vacuum?

Kurt

1-yes you do

2-they look IDENTICAL

3-No, only the MAP sensor

Sorry I didn't put it in with my previous post, they look identical except that the BARO sensor input is open to atmosphere. So if you were in colorado visiting 5-7 kid, it would adjust the air/fuel mixture due to the high altitude and lack of air. Since my baro sensor is no longer in my car but in a box somewhere, I can't verify they are the same part # tonight, but if they both interchange (can plug each into the other connector) I would say you should be OK. I can verify it for you monday at work.

kboehringer · 07-16-2005, 11:28 PM

TGO Guys

When I got home today i was actually a little surprised that my dad had gotten our Z28 started. It was really cool to hear the car finally started after all the hard work we put into it. Today my dad and i worked on the wiring in the car so that we could get all of the lights and electrical things to work, I was puting the cover panels back on in the car. We also put the power steering pump back in. Even though we hadn't got the power steering completely running perfectly, took the car on a test drive, and it sounded great. My dad even stopped and let me drive it, which was really, really fun. Thanks for all of the help on getting the camaro up and running, and if anybody has any more info about the car, it will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks Again

Derek Boehringer

flyitlikustolit · 07-17-2005, 03:09 AM

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Originally posted by kboehringer
You are a piece of work!

yes, yes i am. and since that's much better than what my ex calls me, I'll take that as a huge compliment.

derek: did your test drive give you a taste for more? that was my biggest motivater for continuing to work on the car..... the first test drive.